more like 10 'ships total. So, operating with a 75 cap instead of 85. That seems reasonable.
Forecast the OSU penalties !
The two big punishments by the NCAA in the last 15 years were Bama and USC. Both involved a 2 year bowl ban and close to 10 scholarships over 3 years.
Given that this scandal seems to run much deeper, and involved a coaches knowledge, and ignored internal audits, I would imagine the punishments would have to be at least as bad.
Bama only lost 21 over 3 years.
Right, but at the time, people were saying Alabama was lucky to avoid the death penalty. 21 scholarships and a 2-year bowl ban was evidently the harshest thing the NCAA could come up with short of nuking them SMU style. But then the USC/Reggie Bush scandal happened, and the NCAA issued even worse penalties (31 scholarships + 2 year bowl ban) for frankly less-egregious violations. The OSU scandal is shaping up like an opportunity for the NCAA to define a new "harshest non-death penalty sanction."
It only makes sense. OSU saw what the NCAA did to Alabama and USC but violated the rules anyway. If (and when) they replace Fickell, they might want to look at coaches who are experts in rebuilding programs from the ashes.
has begun taking a real no non-sense stance as of late. My prediction is that they will hit OSU deep and hard simply because if they do not, they will be sending a message that it's okay for your program to cheat so long as it generates sufficient dollars for college football. Death Penalty? No. Last season gets vacated sans the bowl game, 2 year bowl ban, 10 schollies lost per year for 4 years.
Lose 10 scholarship for 3 years, 3 year bowl ban. No TV ban. Lots of vacating of pervious wins, including the 2010 Rose Bowl, but strangely not the 2011 Sugar Bowl.
I have been waiting to ask this question but I believe the NCAA ruled the players eligible to play in regards to Tatgate. However, they didn't have any idea of TP receiving money for autograph signings or gifts from "boosters" or cars from dealerships.
Would this change the NCAA stance on Pryor's eligibility for the 2011 Sugar Bowl game?
The Sugar Bowl will be vacated on the basis of Tressel and OSU playing the NCAA like fools and having the 5 remain eligible for the game. There will be no legality about that one being dropped from the win column, only pure revenge.
They should vacate the Sugar Bowl based on fraud. Tressel knew and covered it up and that was the only reason why the guys got to play. Had that information not been concealed, no way the NCAA lets them play.
players who've sold memorabilia and played in the SugarBowl. If/when investigated it won't be a matter of the tat-5 anymore, it'll be a matter of the tat-15.
USC scholarship loss was indeed 10 per year for next 3. Total of 30.
Probably more than 10 scholarships total. I would think closer to 15-20ish total. And a 3 year bowl ban.
This also is assuming some more concrete things come out. If nothing else comes out then probably a little less severe.
I agree with your assessment, but would add on the statistics for every game played by ineligible players being vacated
which includes B1G championship games (no title appearance) because if they won, they couldn't represent the B1G.
at least 12 schollies over 3 years ...
and at minumum on probation for 5 years ...
also remove all of 2010 games from the record, including the Sugar Bowl (which also takes away their B1G co-title)
Go Blue !
4 year postseason ban. 15 scholarships over 4 years. Vacated wins of the 08, 09 and 10 seasons. Vacated Sugar Bowl and Rose Bowl wins.
If they investigate further back: Possible vacating of 02 national championship.
'Possible vacating of 02 national championship."
The NCAA does not award a national championship.
The '02 season is way outside of the statute of limitations. My understanding is that they can't do anything to punish violations more than 4 years back.
the statute of limitations is waived.
Where the closest prediction gets a shirt?
My vote is for vacated wins for all of 2010, including the Sugar Bowl, an 8 scholarship penalty for 5 years (40 total) and a 5 year bowl ban for duping the NCAA before the Sugar Bowl.
Definitely worse than USC... and who says our avalanche of joy is over?
is still pending. I wonder if the NCAA will even look into more or will just issue a blanket punishment on principal. They also have to look at the other kids added onto the tat-5 and see about suspending them for this year, or lumping them into revoking last year, then they have to look into former players who were named as receiving benefits and rule on revoking past seasons, then they have to look at extending the statute of limitations to go after the Clarret years. LOIC is a guarantee. TSIO said "we've conducted a painstaking search and there's nothing wrong going on," then they had that press conference, then they gave compliance the best possible review they could. If a few reporters could find all this dirt then the AD and Compliance could have. The ban and scholarships will be bigger than u$c, though. u$c was for one player, this is for more than 40 over a decade, and Tressel embarrassed the NCAA royally with the Sugar Bowl fiasco to top it off. They're doomed.
If any more comes out I predict: Death Penalty.
Let's not forget that Ohio was on a 3 year probation 2006 to 2009 and the death penalty legislation is clear.
In 1985, in response to rampant violations at several schools, the NCAA Council passed the "repeat violator" rule. The rule stipulates that if a second major violation occurs at any institution within five years of being on probation in the same sport or another sport, that institution can be barred from competing in the sport involved in the second violation for either one or two seasons.
Could you remind me of the whats and whys on the 3 year probation from 2006 to 2009 ?
can help us out here (Jim O'Brien's entry):
In September 1998, Coach O’Brien was recruiting Alex Radojevic, a foreign national from Yugoslavia. Coach O’Brien sent $6,000 to Radojevic's mother. Radojevic ultimately did not play for Ohio State after signing a contract to play professional basketball, and Coach O'Brien did not share the facts of the loan with Ohio State’s athletic director, Andy Geiger, until April 24, 2004.
At 8:30 a.m. on June 8, 2004, without any prior discussion, Mr. Geiger handed Coach O’Brien a letter notifying him of his immediate termination. The conduct that the University identified as justifying its conclusion that he had violated an NCAA rule and thereby materially breached the Agreement was his provision of financial assistance to the Radojevic family. The letter did not address the rules violations involving another player on the team, Boban Savovic, which were not known at the time but would eventually lead to the severe NCAA sanctions and O'Brien's ban from coaching.
Savovic was also from Yugoslavia, but actually played for the Buckeyes from 1999 to 2002. He was later found to have received improper benefits and to have committed academic fraud. The NCAA in 2006 gave Ohio State three years' probation and ordered it to pay back all tournament money earned from 1999-2002 when Savovic was on the Buckeyes' roster. In addition, Ohio State was forced remove all references to team accomplishments from those years and vacate all team wins.
However, in November 2004, O’Brien brought a lawsuit against the Ohio State University in the Ohio Court of Claims and was awarded $2.4 million for Ohio State’s wrongful termination of his contract, because he was fired prior to any NCAA finding. Ohio State appealed the decision to the Ohio Court of Appeals and the Ohio Supreme Court and the decision was upheld.
The NCAA banned O'Brien from coaching in 2006. On January 31, 2008, an NCAA appeals committee lifted all restrictions on his hiring.
and the current Notice of Allegations already states
Inasmuch as your institution was previously found in violation of NCAA rules in Infractions Report No. 256 decided on March 10, 2006, your institution is subject to the penalties set forth in Bylaw 220.127.116.11...
So, tsio is already familiar with:
- every win and loss vacated that the affected players played (113 games disappeared)
- pay back all tournament money earned by playing the affected players
- length of probation equal to almost as long as the vacated games
- coach banned from coaching (had to appeal ruling and it took 2 years to get this to a finite timeframe)
Hadn't noticed it before, but one of the death penalty items (18.104.22.168) is 4 years of removing school officials from NCAA committees, so even if Smith survives (which I doubt) they could kick him off everything.
because the letter ofthe law is plain, but I think the NCAA will interperet things differently. They invented that law because of SMU and they were much much worse. They were caught having a huge payroll, were hammered, then were caught again doing the exact same thing a year or two later. TSIO did get caught twice, but once in Basketball, then once in Football, and I believe under 2 different ADs. They probably wont get a total football ban that would hurt the teams they play against just the same as a TVban, but they are looking at having multiple seasons revoked.
Ohio stadium will look like this on Saturdays in 2011.
I am almost certain that tsio will be spared from the "death penalty", though you are most certainly accurate that this is what the "rule" reads. In the end, the NCAA will say that the statement is more of a ... "guideline" than a rule.
just a guess ....
Go Blue !
Key phrase is "can be barred..." which leaves a good deal of room for the NCAA to move toward a lesser penalty.
EDIT: Dammit. Too slow on the keyboard. Like he said below....
that institution CAN be barred from competing in the sport involved in the second violation for either one or two seasons.
I think the NCAA might use a graduated punishment as far as scholarship reductions are concerned: 3 years of 10 ships per season (max 75 players total/15 per class) followed by 3 years of 5 ships per season (max 80 players total/20 per class). I'm going to guess 3 year post-season ban and vacating wins in all games in which Pryor played.
I had started a diary on this but then the new allegations about TP getting $20K or more for signing autographs broke and, well, I may not finish it. But in a nutshell, here are the five most similar infractions I could find and the associated major penalties:
1. The USC/Reggie Bush scandal: Two-year bowl ban, loss of 10 scholarships for three years (30 total), four-year probation in football, plus forfeiture of wins and championships; one-year post-season ban, loss of 3 scholarships over two years, and recruiting penalties in basketball
2. FSU Free Shoes U. scandal: (Resembles tatgate only, w/o the cover-up): 1 year probation only
3. Michigan hoops/Ed Martin Scandal:
One year post-season ban, four years’ probation, loss of 4 scholarships over four years,
4. Alabama pay-for-play + pay-H.S.-coaches-to-steer-recruits scandal:
Two-year bowl ban, five years’ probation, loss of 21 scholarships over three years
5. Miami Pell Grant scandal:
One-year bowl ban, loss of 31 scholarships over three years
Based on these and just looking at the OSU information already available, I think they are already looking at the first-ever 3-season bowl ban (not counting the SMU death penalty) and approx. 35 scholarship losses, in addition to the forfeiture of wins and titles and disassociation with TP and the various offending boosters.
This is pretty much the best celebrity death pool ever.
You just reminded me of another fun discussion. Time for an edit !
What could possibly be worse than that?
Please no death penalty. I want 10 scholarships a year for 4 years and a 3 year bowl ban. And then in a couple of years everyone will be standing in line like in the movie Airplane, to kick their ass.
Danny Sheridan (USA Today, I think) just said on the Finebaum show that his source has told him that the penalties will be "very serious" and similar to USC, but will likely also include a TV ban. He did not say who his source is. I sort of took him to mean a source within the NCAA, but I might be reading too much into his statement. He also could have a source within OSU or it might be just someone's opinion. However, the way he said it, it did not sound like he was just passing on some unrelated third party's opinion.
1. Vacate all of 2009 and 2010 wins (including bowls);
2. Loss of 30 scholarships (with 75 total cap), just like USC;
3. 2-year post-season ban;
4. 1-year TV ban;
5. Special OSU-only compliance reporting requirements regarding extra benefits; and
6. 5-years probation.
I doubt a TV ban. I don't believe that has been one instituted since the ABC regional/national broadcasts dominated the landscape and were pretty much the only non-local tv.
Nowadays most BCS conference games are broadcast and taking TV away from a team has more detrimental widespread affect to other teams (imagine impact if M-OSU was not on TV). It would also affect huge conference TV contracts.
Being able to be on TV isn't as big of an advantage to a team as it used to be.
Technically, I don't think it affects revenue much. The Big Ten's TV contracts are for fixed amounts. Unless ABC/ESPN has some sort of out clause or sought to renegotiate the deal, it they pay the same amount regardless of whether they televise OSU or Indiana. I suppose it could reduce BTN advertising revenues on the margin and/or the Big Ten's renewal rates 4-5 years from now, but if it is only a 1-year TV ban the impact should be extremely limited (especially when spread over all 12 teams in the conference).
At the same time, you are correct that it has not been done in a very long time (20 years???) and I am not an expert in knowing what the NCAA thinks is TV "banworthy". One thing: I sort of remember when the USC sanctions being handed down that there was some discussion that the NCAA told USC that a TV ban had been discussed and that USC should feel lucky the NCAA decided against it. I will poke around the interwebz and see if I can find any more definitive discussion of that.
Plus, as obscene as it sounds, the last thing the B1G wants is a TV ban. They lose OSU games for even an entire year and the BTN might suffer backlash, pull threats, or even breach of contract from potential advertisers.
If there's one thing Delany knows, it's that you don't mess with RoTel.
Seriously though, imagine you're a national advertiser and you drop a six fig contract with the BTN, only to watch them drop Minnesota and Indiana games week after week b/c OSU's schedule shortens the fall-back list after ABC's finished with the conference? Yikes.
so the BTN can claim it as such to any potential advertiser who has issues with the re-vamped schedule.
You can fool a lot of people, Jimbo, but you cannot fool God.
It does seem that a TV ban hurts not only OSUI but everybody else in the conference that they play. I wonder if it is possible for OSU to be penalized by losing television revenue instead of an outright ban? That way the games are still shown but OSU is not deriving a financial benefit off of the game.
A TV ban penalizes an innocent party . . . OSU's opponent.
OSU Bowl bans and scholarship reductions do not.
"his source has told him that the penalties will be "very serious" and similar to USC, but will likely also include a TV ban"
Not sure who Dan Sheridan he is either full of shit or he needs to get better sources. The NCAA is still investgating. I doubt that anyone in the know is up to the phase of discussing punishment when they don't know the full extent of the violations.
Perhaps 2008 is a possibility as well (vacating wins) allowing the NCAA to add an additional year of post-season ban.
for losing the Nest Egg
Are starting to realize how bad this is.
I think 2-3 year bowl ban, 30 schollies over 3 years, and vacating all 2009 and 2010 wins are pretty much the baeline.
It could be even worse if any digging turns up anything else.
I don't believe for a single second there will be a TV ban. Look at how the NCAA folded to OSU with the bowl game last year. It is all about the dollars. OSU is a huge draw for the Big 10. There is no way a TV ban will happen. Everything else, short of the death penalty, is on the table.
3 year bowl ban, 4 years of 10 scholarship reduction, vacating all games ineligible players played and 5 years probation. That would be my guess based on what information that is available at the moment. I really think by not self reporting that it is going to cause worse punishment than USC received.
I'd make a prediction that's very similar to this one, but I can't tell how much of that would be because I think it will happen, and how much is what I want to happen.
I like to think of this in the way that Brian does his pre-game fear/paranoia level, with USC's 2 year bowl ban and 10 scholies per year for 3 years being the baseline 5. So:
Baseline 5: But Tress had DIRECT knowledge of the situation, +1 year on bowl ban; and it can be proven in emails, +5 scholarships per year for each of those two years years; and Tress signed the email "Go Bucks", no effect but I thought it deserved mention; and USC only had 1 player, whereas at OSU it is over 20 players on the tats alone, +1 year additional bowl ban; and at OSU there is still a ton more coming out, including some shady Ebay guy who Tress knew was hanging around TP, +1 more year of scholarship reduction; and the school's president, knowing about Tress' cover-up publicly said, "I hope that he doesn't dismiss me"; +1 year of additional probation; while wearing a bow tie, no effect, but again worth noting.
So, the tally is 4 years of bowl ban, 2 years of 15 schollies per year and 2 more years of 10 per year.
I just spent an hour arguing with my bucknut cousin that they would get hit harder than USC. At first he thought there was no way what they did was as bad as USC. At the end of the conversation he was convinced they wouldn't get the death penalty.
Vacate all wins under The Cheater. 30 schollies over 3 years. 3 year postseason ban. 5 years probation.
From Harlem Nights, just before Jack Jenkins beats the snot out of Mickey Kirkpatrick in the championship fight:
Uh, d-d-d-don't take this ass-whippin' p-personally.
4 year bowl ban (players can transfer without sitting out a year)
40 scholarships over 4 years
Maximum recruiting class of 15 for 4 years, no counting recruits against previous classes
All games in which TP played are forfeited. Same with any players they determine took money.
10 year probation.
This is basically what happened to USC but worse. The 4 year bowl ban essentially assures they will have lots of players transfer. 15 scholarships over 4 years reduces the number of players they can recruit during that period from 100 to 60. They will have a hard time enforcing a TV ban and they simply can't kill a program that big because of the revenue sharing in the conference.
This looks about right, though I'm not sure the NCAA will ever do ten years of probation.
It would also be awesome if the B1G allowed OSU players to transfer within the conference for scholarships, I'm sure their divisional opponents would have a strong sell for playing time/beat the shit out of the school who put you in a position to transfer.
Edit: I'd also add that Smith is finished, and they're required to reduce their coaching staff by a few. If anything comes out about Sarniak and TP's recruitment, they'll face serious recruiting penalties as well.
The Ohio State University is found guilty of systematic cheating and the entire Jim Tressel era is erased. Then, they are penalized 15 scholarships a year for the next five years.
There is no TV penalty, though. In fact, they are required to play every game on National TV as an example of what happens to those who compound cheating with lying and stonewalling. By the fifth year of their probation, they have forty players on scholarship and a whole lot of "preferred walk-ons," and MAC teams are beating them in the Horseshoe.
I have always thought that the scholarship reductions are the most significant sanction, but in reading more about this issue lately it seems that bowl bans may be the most significant factor. A number of recruits have mentioned bowl bans as the penalty most likely to deter them from committing to OSU, whereas with good planning teams seem to have been able to minimize the impact of even dramatic scholarship reductions.
Therefore, I am really hoping OSU gets a 3-year bowl ban, rather than the seemingly "standard" 2-year ban that the NCAA gave USC and Alabama. With a 2-year bowl ban, you probably have a lot of recruits thinking, "well, I'll likely redshirt my first season anyway, so it's really just a one-year ban for me," and then in the second year of the ban it's even less of a concern. But adding a third year to a bowl ban would seem to absolutely destroy at least one and probably two recruiting classes (because the kids who sign in the first year know they won't be able to play in a bowl game until they are seniors).
Which is all fine by me!
AD Smith and then President Gee.....
I doubt this actually kills Gee, but he has obviously been so incompetent in his administration of his university's most public department that you have to wonder if he does a good job with the others. I know he can fundraise, but isn't subordinate hires/monitoring a big part of a CEO's job?
his job is safe. Remember that they brought him in to replace Karen Holbrook, one of the most hated presidents in osu history, because she tried too hard to curb partying, underage drinking etc. at the university. Thus, squishy things like "morale" and "campus culture" determine the value of his reign, as well as "getting Les Wexner to keep donating money."
Old Joke - what are the three most important things a university president has to be sure to take care of?
1. Sex and parties for the undergraduates
2. Parking for the faculty
3. Football for the alumni.
So, despite having once been an Eagle Scout and clerking for a US Supreme Court Justice, President Gee does understand what he needs to do. But if he continues to make "brilliant" statements at the press conferences, it may reach a point that even gold status parking for everyone can't save him. To paraphrase the Godfather, "a man in his position cannot afford to be made to look ridiculous."
that have infested the "house", it is necessary to remove everything associated with them. Gee made his position well known that he fully supported tressel and Smith. I doubt that the trustees of the University will spare Gee when they fumigate the "house".
Go Blue !
Most of these predictions are running pretty close together and sound pretty reasonable for the charges we've already heard.
I think another scenario is very possible. One in which we've only heard about 1/3 of the ultimate charges and many will predate Pryor. OSU has hardly been forthcoming in their investigation so I don't see the NCAA easing up on them.
In that case there will be a lot of vacated wins, 5 years of probation, some bowl ban, probably no TV ban. The hammer will really drop on scholarships. It's not going to be a death penalty but it won't be USC level either. How about no new scholarships for two years? It coud be followed by another year of restrictions. OSU would suffer for a few years, but there's no reason they couldn't bounce back.
As I understand it, when teams from the Big 10 go to bowl games, the money they make gets shared with the other teams in the conference. Is this true? Will TSIO be cut out of the revenue sharing if they are banned from being in bowl games?
Will they be cut out of getting a share of the conference championship money?
It would be a shame to the rest of the teams in the conference if TSIO still was allowed to take a share of the income.
Assuming nothing more comes out, I predict a minimum 3-year postseason ban and a 60-scholarship reduction over 4 years (15 a year). It needs to be harsher than USC because yeaterday's revelations about checks from DennisTalbott to Pryor and OSU's quiet dissociation from Talbott midway through the '10 season implicate the entire athletic department, not just Tressel and the coaching staff.
If more stuff comes out and some of these rumors being thrown around turn out to be true, then I wouldn't rule out a complete ban on scholarships for a year or two (i.e., OSU has to field a team consisting entirely of walk-ons), followd by massive scholarship reductions for another year or two, accompanied by a 5+ year postseason ban.
Still don't think they'll bring back the death penalty. Too much money at stake.
EDIT: I assume there will also be vacated wins in any plausible scenario, but those penalties are largely symbolic.
First, the actual investigation won't be finished until sometime during the football season and the hearing will probably be after the season ends (OSU will voluntarily not play in a bowl this season as part of it's preemptive punishment). Penalties will probably hit after signing day--allowing OSU to sign a nearly full class (I think they've got 18-19 available spots).
Expect something like 11-12 schollies/year for three years, two total year bowl ban, free transfers for upperclassmen, four years probation, and a 3-4 year show cause order for Tressel.
I think, perhaps, another year of a bowl ban and perhaps another year of probation. A "TV ban" or some such punishment related to TV is probably not viable. So, I think what you've outlined is probably pretty close to what will come down, and when.
The entire NCAA model is under scrutiny in the media and beyond right now... and all the Bobby Knights, Steve Spurriers and NFL players calling out the system itself only forces the NCAA even more. They either bring out the pimp hand or come off as a powerless.
I'd say 3+ bowl ban, not sure how many scholarships but I'd bet over the same stretch of time, and a huge slice of wins vacated. In the meantime, the media has 2 1/2 months left to dig up more skeletons before August... anything else comes out the NCAA will have to invent a new level of death. 5 years of shutdown????
3 year bowl ban
30 - 40 scholarship reduction
Vacate all wins in 2009 - 2010
Reduction of coaching positions
Overhaul of compliance office
6 years probation
Players will be allowed to transfer without penalty
AD Smith will be fired, Gee will retire within 2 years.
Oops double post, iPad malfunction.
ideally love to see no bowl ban but no new scholarships for 3-4 years, it would be hilarious in that last year when they have to fields a team comsisting entirely of walk-ons. It would be like last year when we held open try outs for a kicker except for every position on the team. You would have little computer geeks playing corner, engineering students out in center field with their protractors measuring the correct angle to engage the ball carrier and construction management kids on the line trying to build a low wall against the opponents linemen.
Ulp! You mean actual Student Athletes?
Make them wear those Pro-Combat uniforms indefinetly....
That's overkill. It punishes everyone--literally.
No, make them wear our throwback uniform indefinetly....
I say it's gonna be 35 lost scholarships and a 3-year bowl-ban.
Seriously though, gonna be a lot worse than USC's. Bowl bans, reduced scholarships, etc.
God, OSU is run by monkeys. And half-intelligent administration, having acknowledged that their coach lied in order keep players eligible, would immediately forfeit the bowl trophy. And not only because it's obviously the right thing to do. It's the smart thing. It would show the NCAA degrees of contrition and understanding, in order to limit the punishment.
For some reason I have a feeling it won't be as bad as people think. They'll take Tressels resignation as part of the punishment and add a few vacated wins from last year and maybe 5 to 10 lost scholarships, plus a couple years of probation.
I hope I'm wrong
are way overestimating the likely punishments.
The NCAA set a standard with USC's punishment. That was for one player getting money from an agent with pretty flimsy evidence tying the violation to the program. The sheer dollar amount might be lower in OSU's case, but these were boosters giving players money for playing for OSU (essentially). The last portion of those violations were done with the head coach's tacit approval and active concealment. Bush's agent friend just wanted him to be an official client later on--the school he played for didn't really matter.
What will happen really depends on which set of violations the NCAA thinks are worse. FWIW, USC has basically said they'll raise holy hell if OSU gets off easier.
also come right out and said it does not use other penalties as precedence and that each situation is different, with a different result for penalties.
Its all going to come down to how OSU answers the original inquiry, which right now is only about the Tat 5 and their former coach.
Nothing short of this:
..."drawn on a hurdle through the City of London to Tyburn, there to be hanged till he should be half dead; then he should be cut down alive, his privy parts cut off, his belly ripped, his bowels burnt, his four quarters sit up over four gates of the City and his head upon London Bridge."
Public execution. Let's go.
I think this would be appropriate: TSIO still gets to play games, but nothing they do is recognized as a win from here on in and therefore the program essentially no longer matters.
No investigation, no investigation.....STOP!
IMO I would like to see them banned from playing in the Big Ten Championship game for a minimum of 3 years should they play well enough to make it that far in any of those seasons. I'm not sure the NCAA has that authority but it would be awesome... Their recruiting would become almost nonexistent.
Loss of 25 scholarships over 3 years (10/10/5)
Bowl ban for 2 years
Cannot play in BiG Title Game for 3 years
All wins vacated last two seasons
5 Years of Probation
Required changes to compliance department
Reduction of coaching staff
Kind of a middle-of-the-road to most of what is being discussed I think.
Remove the "THE" from tosu so they are only ohio state from now on. No players in the NFL may say THE in their introductions and it may not be used in any form ever again. That in and of itself would satisfy me.
In addition to the traditional sanctions discussed above, OSU should not be allowed to award any rings, gold pants or other momentos of any kind until their probation period is completed.
Assuming that players are allowed to transfer without sitting out a year, even within the B1G, and there are any innocent players left . . . is there anyone that we would want to pursue?
and wiping all 2010 wins from record books according to 10tv news. That just came over the local radio station in Columbus. Sorry, I can't start a new thread.
Edit: Sorry, it was according to the Columbus Dispatch