Crappy performance + Crappy schedule = Decreased ticket sales
"Coach Mattison told me what the Ravens were about, what he thought," Beyer said. "He definitely encouraged me. I hold his opinion in high regard."
Crappy performance + Crappy schedule = Decreased ticket sales
Nobody really knows how the team will do next year and fans tend to be optimistic on the whole. I haven't been a season ticket holder since my student days (2000-03) and these prices would have been considered bonkers back then too (a time when the team never went worse than 6-2 in B1G play and averaged over 9 wins a season). You couldn't give away tickets for games against the directional schools or teams like Houston or Utah. Now that is pretty much the whole schedule and the athletic department wants a second portrait of Ben Franklin if you want to bring a friend to the game.
I totally agree with this and your other post above. People are pissed by the AD's money grubbing, whether it is the introduction of the PSD's, the huge escalation in ticket prices, or the BS regarding seat cushions, water, the band not traveling (and then traveling) with the team, and advertising in the stadium.
All of this is CEO/corporate short sightedness on Brandon's part. He has been maximizing current profits at the expense of future revenues (particularly future donations by current students and alumni). He will have an impressive bottom line of increasing current profitability to the department, but with a strong downward trend in attendance and good will among students and alumni.
A better question might be will any of the games have attendances below 100K?
Anything in September should be over 100K. PSU is the night game so above 100K. Indiana is Homecoming so above 100K. Maryland is the last game of the year so I would assume it would be above 100K.
Hugely important to win @ND this year to try to recapture the all time winning percentage from them.
Not so fast, my friend... we might be marching forward into the past.
Our last home game in 1974 was on Nov. 16 against Purdue. We were 9-0 and ranked #3, and there was feverish anticipation of the looming showdown against OSU for the trip to the Rose Bowl, and, just as importantly, revenge for '73.
Even so, we could only muster 88,902 for the last home game.
If poor weather and a poor record plays a factor for the Maryland game I could see it below 100K. Freezing November rain is no fun but otherwise I figure senior day is a good bet to get people out to the game. In 2008 we were 3-7 played in rain and still had 107,856 come for the Northwestern game so who knows.
Yeah but in 2008, we had just thrashed a pretty good Minnesota team, plus it was Rich Rodriguez's first year. I remember going into the Northwestern game thinking that we had turned the corner.
With all of that being said, as long as we're good this year we won't have to worry about have a crowd of under 100k.
In 2008 we were 3-7 played in rain and still had 107,856 come for the Northwestern game so who knows.
The announced attendance isn't an actual count of the number of people in the stands. It's the number of tickets sold plus the people with press/field passes.
So then we will never have an announced attendance count of below 100K because no matter what all these tickets will get sold.
I would guess so. We might drop below capacity (109,901) though.
That game was awful. Only time I ever left a game early. Had like 3 rain suits on. Remember stripping in the middle of AA Saline Road on the way to finishing the game at Bdubs
They will never announce it under 100,000.
see our first under 100,000 paid attendance crowd?
*First since 1975.
Yes, I am that old.
(Don's avatar is an actual photo of Don.)
It's actually a highly-retouched photo. You should see what I really look like before I've had my coffee. "The Cryptkeeper" doesn't do it justice...
I work for the university too and was thinking the same thing that I have never seen an e-mail like this any year before. I hate to see the university do less than the best but if an economic message is the only way to get Dave Brandon's attention...
I doubt they would ever do this but it would be great if they sent a survey to those that have dumped their season tickets in the last few years. They might find out that the team results aren't the main cause of the sudden lack of interest.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in some of these meetings. That and actually see the real numbers for tickets, i.e. how many they think will be sold through these kind of promotions.
Not sure if I agree with this...if they went 11-2, there would be people lined up trying to get season tickets and the ticket office wouldnt be concerned why people dumped them as the demand would be there. The reason there may not be the demand right now is because Michigan went 7-6...when the product on the field isnt as exciting and doesnt win games, thats when people decide that maybe it costs too much and there isnt new demand clamoring to get those season tickets.
No doubt if they were winning more games then demand would be higher. 2014 weak home schedule plus coming off an uninspiring 2013 season is what is causing this lack of demand.
Whose decision was it to schedule OSU and MSU both home or both away every year? Did Dave Brandon have input on this? If his plan is to hike up prices every other year and freeze them in between (when no OSU and no MSU at home) then he may be smarter than I give him credit for.
Im fairly confident in saying Im sure Brandon would have preferred to have MSU and OSU in opposite years..or are you saying his devious plan had him trying to create the worst possible schedule? Then why did it occur...probably a larger negotiating /scheduling point in setting the teams in the two divisions. While it sucks for home games this year, without knowing the actual factors its hard to really point a finger.
It seems odd to me that Michigan has 4 games in 2014 that are same venue as 2013. Home vs Minnesota and Indiana, and Away vs MSU and Northwestern. I know we were expanding to 14 teams and breaking in new divisions but our 2014 schedule got screwed.
Be safe when you drive home
After I renewed my season tickets this year I contacted the Athletic Development Office and specifically asked what the renewal rates were compared to last year. Whether or not you view it as half full or half empty, the 8% difference from a year ago is down about 8,792 seats. Then there was the student renewal discussion which amounted to about another 1,200 - 1,500 seat renewal drop off. I know some of these will be picked up by new buyers but, I doubt they all go to new buyers. I think we will see the return of the ticket packs. Losing roughly 10,000 fans at the Big House is going to be very noticeable unless the AD gets creative. Having said that, I still think we see a sellout for most every game. I am hoping it is not as bad as it sounds.
I think what makes ticket packs successful is having a premium game bundled with them. You get a couple of MAC games and low B1G along with a OSU/MSU/ND level game. Justifiably you could sell your premium game and cover the total cost of the pack.
This stat is off season ticket holders have the option to buy more season tickets without paying the PSD! Club included
$15 service charge LMAO
They guy who invented the pet rock made $1,000,000.00
The Baha Men never did anything to you.
Who let the dogs out? Who?
the whole stadium did the macarena with dancing gerbals on the big screens right before a crucial stop? If only he were AD in '98.
Post of the year
Don't disparage the pet rock..."The guy made a million dollars!"
Im tired of sitting between the end-zone and the 10 yard line for the last 6-7 years. I'm ready to get back to midfield and made the request when I renewed my tickets this year. I'm hopeful that we can move significantly towards the 50.
I got this e-mail as a student who already has season tickets. Not only are they desperate, they don't even know who they should be targeting with these e-mails.
is an endless back and forth of "take me off this email list" reply to all like back in the day. That would have been epic.
Im not sure why the original poster says that the letter from the athletic dept shows the AD is sweating. Isnt it just a matter of moving a little further down the list and opening it up to others that usually didnt get a chance? Yes - the renewal rate is lower this year because of results on the field and the schedule next year. So the logical thing is they move down to those who were unable to get tickets before or open it up to another group like in this email. Im not sure why that is equated to sweating or panic as the lower renewal rate is likely not a surprise to the athletic dept. Calling it sweating or panic just shows the motive of the original poster as trying to create hype around this ticketholder rebellion narrative.
I had four season tickets for two years but they were non renewable. As soon as DB took over an saw ND, OSU, and Nebraska on the schedule he told me to F off and that I was no better than the general public to buy over priced ticket packages. I guess that F off is coming back to bite him in the arse.
Dave Brandon doesn't seem to realize that being one is way more valuable in the long term than the other, even if you have to pass up a little short term reward. Turns out tricking people into eating shitty pizza is poor preparation for being loveable.
but I am thoroughly enjoying watching the AD squirm trying to basically beg people to buy tickets while still using the PSD and phrases like "required donation". (Which speaking of that, I hate PSD's. So you pay money to even have the oppotunity to buy something? Ok guy)
I learned this in high school microecon Dave. The price is too high and your supply is above your demand. Lower those prices or make the product better
I think Brandon has showed he understands your pretty graph very well. The fact that prices have been raised the past few years and the stadium is still full means the product was underpriced and there was more demand than supply.
As for this year, Im not sure where we can conclude yet that there is insufficient demand. Yes - more people than normal seem to be failing to renew but perhaps there are other sources to make up that demand (just like the faculty email at the top).
The fact that they are moving down the list to offering tickets to faculty at a discount and sending reminder emails does not necessarily equate to "squirming" and forcing them to "basically beg" as you say. There is a possibility that this is exactly what they expected and they analyzed this, expected this response, and already had strategies in place to make up the demand such as this. Without knowing what they are thinking, there is no way to make your conclusion until we see the stands in the fall.
You are much too resonable.
but I suppose I'm still just a bit offended that I feel the AD is out to maximize their cashflow. Obviously this is a running argument that sounds like "think of the children!" but college sports used to feel different to me. The players were student-athletes and college sports just had a much purer feel to it than the pro-sports world of moneymoneymoney. College sports (esp. football) just seems to be creeping closer and closer to a pro sports in how they treat everything and I don't like it
In the long term I think PSDs go away.
If anything, ticket prices would go down before the removal of PSD's. The loophole is that PSD's are not shared with the B1G. That is all Michigan profit and to pay whatever bills we have for facilities etc. Whereas, gate receipts from ticket sales are shared with the other conference members. Now, we all know that ticket prices nor PSD's will never truly go down. Therefore, we will likely see a leveling off of the ticket/PSD prices for several years before we see a decrease in pricing.
If it is true what was stated above, that PSDs are not shared with the visiting team like the gate from ticket prices, then I would say that PSDs are here to stay and that the prices will start to be discounted under some kind of promotional attendence drive or some such thing.
Using this downturn in demand to position for future years and support our 900+ students playing sports. 4 in the bowl and brother got 4 in the Club. If you don't pay craft beer higher prices you are only going to have Bud Light available. Michigan sports are a commitment not a transaction for a product. Go Blue since 1969!
You are gaining no position. The people who bought basketball tickets for the decade prior to John Beilein's arrival had to pay up or move back to the cheap seats. You will too if Dave Brandon thinks he can squeeze an extra buck out of someone else.
I don't know why you would see this as a point of pride. Loyalty should work both ways, otherwise you are just a guy with his wallet open. But I guess someone in the athletic department is grateful.