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April 16th, 2011 at 5:11 PM | Regardless of what could have happened today, (Score:1)
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there would still be some portion of MGoBlogland that would be flipping out.

If the offense ran the defense ragged all day long, people would be jumping off of Burton Tower and shouting "Mattison doesn't know what he's doing arrrghhhh" on their way to the pavement.

If Denard was completing every pass, people would be moaning about defensive backs who can't cover and why wasn't Corwin Brown hired instead of Kurt Mallory.

If Will Campbell had sacked the QB on every play, people would be apoplectic about how our horrible OL can't control an obvious 5-star bust like WC.

If Furman had caught Cox from behind, people would be complaining about how slow Cox is.

It's the nature of intrasquad games—there's something for everybody who wants to make themselves miserable.

 


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April 16th, 2011 at 5:18 PM | 100 times this.  I'm shocked (Score:1)
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100 times this.  I'm shocked by the number of "glass half-empty" people on this board.  Cox had a very impressive TD run.  The defensive pressure disrupted Denard.  The defense was not afraid to lay massive hits whenver they could.  This attitude makes the Spring Game so much easier (and much more fun) to watch.

Lived the Dream. 2008-2012

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April 16th, 2011 at 8:40 PM | You figured us out. (Score:1)
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Shhhhhhhhh!  Don't tell anyone.

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April 16th, 2011 at 5:12 PM | I seem to recall horrible (Score:1)
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I seem to recall horrible predictions after the M basketball team had a 1-3 (I believe, correct if I'm wrong) stint in Europe.

I also remember the Lions going 4-0 in preseason before going 0-16 in the regular season.

My point:  practice games like these mean little to nothing about what's going to come unless something is glaringly obvious.  Even then, proper coaching and devotion can help to make these shortcomings a little less horrific.  As has been stated for the billionth time, this was their 15th practice in a new system.  I will only BEGIN to be worried if they look like they did in this Spring Game a week before Western.

Borges obviously wanted Denard to focus on his transition to the new offense.  We all know Denard can run the ball.  If Denard went Denard on the D for the entire Spring Game, we would be having this exact same fucking thread with people jumping ship saying "OMG Denard can't run the offense he's a RR player through and through and I like run on sentences and poor punctuation". 

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I doubted Denard before his Sophomore year and strongly wanted Tate and his starting experience over him.  I will never doubt the man's ability to learn and improve ever again.  He'll improve in this system.  Once it gets closer to crunch time, the coaches will play to Denard's strengths if he is the quarterback.  I mean, having a pocket threat AND a running threat is much more dangerous than just one or the other.

The defense was the big question mark today, and their hustle to the ball and willingness to deliver big hits was a major plus.  It's fairly obvious (to me at least) the defense's philosophy has been preached ad-naseum and the players are buying in.  Of course they're not going to be 100% adjusted to the new system, but the energy and willingness to fight is as strong as ever.

Prediction? 50+ more threads by the end of the month screaming why Borges is ruining Denard. Oh, you meant W-L?  9-4 with the strong possibility of 10-3. 

 

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April 16th, 2011 at 5:13 PM | Ug (Score:1)
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Offense was horrible, defense seemd to blitz on every play.  Like an earlier prediction offense will be worse and defense will be better, I'm guessing 6-6.  Not sure why we had to completely break the offense.  Oh and by the way, it was boring as hell as well.

"I knew Bo Schembechler and you sir, are no Bo Schembechler!"

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April 16th, 2011 at 5:22 PM | I'm sorry Cox's long TD run (Score:1)
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I'm sorry Cox's long TD run while plowing over people, DG's touch pass to the corner of the endzone, and DG's bomb and miraculous catch by some guy I don't remember that moved the offense from its own 6 to midfield wasn't entertaining enough for you.  I'd like for you to go up to Jake Ryan and Mike Martin and tell them they were boring to watch.

Lived the Dream. 2008-2012

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April 16th, 2011 at 6:07 PM | Well then you shouldn't have (Score:1)
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Well then you shouldn't have watched it.

HAIL.

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April 16th, 2011 at 5:28 PM | I would've loved to see... (Score:1)
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the RR offense from last year against the defensive 1st team this year.  Fantasy, I know, but reading the comments on this thread, it would've answered a lot of questions for us common folk.

That said, I think it will be a big mistake if Borges and Hoke insist on establishing pro style as the base offense this season.  There is so much upside to this team if the spread and zone blocking remains as the base offense with pro style mixed in as a change of pace.  If this happens I see 8 wins as the minimum with a great chance at double digits.  If it's mostly pro style with spread mixed in, the win minimum drops to 6.  IME.

Hoke bitches...Hoke.

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April 16th, 2011 at 8:37 PM | Yes, I hope it is not all or nothing. (Score:1)
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I hope they learn the lesson from RR. 

In 2008 he had some pretty good success against ND and Iowa pounding Minor in the Pro-I.  I'm convinced that if he would have run some more of that, especially against the weaker teams on the schedule, he would have picked up a few extra wins and lived to fight another day.  He could have installed the spread a little bit less Cold Turkey.

Hoke and Borges DO NOT need a losing season to start off with.  By any means necessary, get to 7 wins and a bowl game.  There will be plenty of time to install a pure Pro offense. 

 

M'Dog

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April 16th, 2011 at 5:38 PM | Shitty as things looked (Score:1)
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Shitty as things looked today, it was still better than what was seen against Wisconsin, OSU or Mississippi State

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April 16th, 2011 at 6:59 PM | Really? (Score:1)
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We put up 28 points on No. 7 Wisconsin, second highest total all year by any of their opponents.  You compare today's offense to that?  I think MANBALL has replaced Charlie Sheen as the drug everyone is on.

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April 16th, 2011 at 10:54 PM | We put up 28 points blah blah blah - (Score:1)
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and we lost the damn game and were in fact never really IN it.  Why?  NO defense and NO special teams.  We were embarrassed by MSU, OSU, and Miss State for the same reasons. 

Time to move on. 

"I promise you we would have walked to the University of Michigan."  - Brady Hoke

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April 17th, 2011 at 2:19 AM | Read the post I was responding to (Score:1)
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It said today's nightmare of an offense was better than last years.  That is insane.

Yes, we lost to Wisconsin, etc., last year because of defense and special teams.  To think that RR's offense was the problem is lunacy.  Time to move on.

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April 16th, 2011 at 6:09 PM | Making predictions after a (Score:1)
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Making predictions after a scrimmage?

Worst idea ever.

HAIL.

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April 16th, 2011 at 6:22 PM | 12-0 (Score:1)
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if i am going to be wrong, i am going to be a lot wrong.

 

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April 16th, 2011 at 6:25 PM | 14-0 (Score:1)
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14-0

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April 16th, 2011 at 6:29 PM | Wow...what a debbie downer! (Score:1)
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It's only 15 practices into a whole new system.  Don't be a dumbass and wait until September to make your predictions.

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April 16th, 2011 at 6:36 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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13-0.



Realistically, I would say 8-9 wins if the defense plays like it did today. The offense will come around, so if the D can make plays at a competent level that should translate to a good season.

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April 16th, 2011 at 7:20 PM | I'm going to say 8 wins, with (Score:1)
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I'm going to say 8 wins, with a win over MSU and/or OSU. Our defense looks much better, and it will take pressure off of the offense. We're not going to have the juggernaut offense that we had last year, but DR and DG will learn the offense enough to put up points.

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April 16th, 2011 at 7:26 PM | JESUS FRICKING CHRIST...... (Score:1)
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JESUS FRICKING CHRIST...... OP..Have some perspective..... Its only been a handful of practices with a new regime with players suited to a different style. I am actually encouraged by the defense. Michigan is back.

BSME '93 - 5 Big Ten football titles with Bo and Mo, NCAA hoops title, Fab Five as senior..... what a run.

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April 16th, 2011 at 8:20 PM | What a mix (Score:1)
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of comments. Some of you see the Spring Game as it should, a simple, open to the public exhibition/practice, in poor weather. You know it's only April. Some seem to have suffered such trauma during the past three years that I believe I see some ptsd in the fanbase. Others are predicting records already in a post on the Spring Game. Love the loyalty, but it's way, way too early to know what will happen this fall. I think we can all agree this will be a team with players on the field that play with more intensity, with better habits in the 'fundamental' areas of position playing, and this team will be proud of the Michigan tradition. No hand wringing here.

Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it.

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April 16th, 2011 at 8:30 PM | My prediction? (Score:1)
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If I see another PNC Bank banner I will stick a pencil in my eye.

From the Red Cedar Message Board:  "God hates us."  Yes He does Lil Bro, yes he does.  Everyone hates you.

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April 16th, 2011 at 8:31 PM | Agree (Score:1)
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I don't think I have any good idea of what Michigan is going to look like come August based on the few five minute clips and quasi-scrimmage that I watched today. However, if I had my druthers I'd have liked to have seen an RR style offense coupled with a Mattison defense. Obviously that's a pipe dream now, but I can see how the two could have been pretty fantastic in my fantasy world. I don't think M is locked into being terrible with the pro-style set, but I have to admit that they will not be as explosive, and I'll miss that. That being said I will not miss the defense that M played for the last three years and am glad that Mattison is the coach. I'm sure I'll check here another thousand times before the first game, but I'm also pretty certain I won't know until about the sixth game how good M really is. Sigh. 

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April 16th, 2011 at 8:58 PM | Prediction:  That i will (Score:1)
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Prediction:  That i will still cringe in fear and curl up in the fetal position at the sight of our field goal team heading out onto the field.

 

 

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April 16th, 2011 at 9:15 PM | safest (Score:1)
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prediction yet.

 

Seriously, how can a school of 30,000+ students not have goddamn student that can kick worth a damn?

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April 16th, 2011 at 11:35 PM | We have/had a few. (Score:1)
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Problem is, they have MLS careers ahead of them, and they graduated.

Abort, Retry, Fail?

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April 16th, 2011 at 9:44 PM | Michigan Men (Score:1)
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The thing I enjoyed the most from this game was Brady Hoke. I remember last year's game, RR was basically wearing a winter coat (without the hood), gloves, hat, and looked visibly uncomfortable. 

This year, Brady was out on the field the whole game in shorts and a short sleeved shirt and short sleeved golf rain jacket. 

It was also nice to see Desmond and Charles on the field during the festivities. If I was a recruit going into the locker room after the game it would be great to be hangin' with a couple of Heisman trophy winners and Superbowl winner. It was nice to see the guys coming back to the program.

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April 17th, 2011 at 12:31 AM | Good god is this a joke? (Score:1)
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Good god is this a joke?

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April 17th, 2011 at 12:37 AM | "The thing I enjoyed the most (Score:1)
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"The thing I enjoyed the most from this game was Brady Hoke. I remember last year's game, RR was basically wearing a winter coat (without the hood), gloves, hat, and looked visibly uncomfortable. This year, Brady was out on the field the whole game in shorts and a short sleeved shirt and short sleeved golf rain jacket."

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April 16th, 2011 at 10:06 PM | I fall into the camp that was (Score:1)
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I fall into the camp that was borderline happy today.  Last year's defense was so bad that even the offense you saw today would have lit them up.  Yes, the offense needs work - which it will get.  These guys didn't all get worse.  There are positive and Borges won't waste it, nor will Hoke let him.

It's huge to see that the defense was able to look so good against ANY offense, let alone one with players from a record-setting offense.

My prediction is 8-4.

I'm also excited to see how good things can look when guys like Demens, Floyd, Woolfolk, Lewan, etc. are full-go.

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April 16th, 2011 at 11:00 PM | Here's what I took from the (Score:1)
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Here's what I took from the "game" today...

I got to watch a Michigan football "game" (of sorts)!!!  The winged helmets were on the field (and on television) on a Saturday afternoon.  I'm not concerned about the play today (nor am I excited by it).  I'm just happy to have had a chance to watch the team at all.

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April 17th, 2011 at 12:30 AM | eh (Score:1)
bryemye
Joined: 09/14/2009
MGoPoints: 2374

No prediction based on the spring game, but I will say there was nothing to get excited about. 

If Denard Robinson is not the starter next year (all year barring injury) then that is a disaster for this coaching transition. That's my opinion. Not necessarily saying we can't win with this staff, but the transition itself... is damn near a RR disaster.

This team has much, much, MUCH more talent than that 2008 squad.

But hopefully the staff can get Denard's play under control and we can win 9 games next year. If we win less I'll be pissed.

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April 18th, 2011 at 10:28 PM | Won't be 2008 (Score:1)
El Tigre
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Joined: 03/14/2011
MGoPoints: 554

Looking at our schedule I think this is the best year to have a coaching change.

8 home games.

5 home games to start the season.

Toughest road games are little brother, and Iowa.

8 wins are expected.

7 wins will be accepted.

I just want to see defensive improvement this year.

A top 50 defense coupled with a top 25 offense should produce wins.

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