Floating Idea: Big Ten Showcase Instead of Championship

Submitted by Seth on

I have been playing around with my divisional realignment proposal and how we might avoid playing The Game two weeks in a row, ever.

My proposed solution: scrap the idea of an Interdivisional Championship Game altogether and replace it with a three-game Big Ten Showcase featuring the top three interdivisional games that weren't played during the regular season.

The point is a Big Ten championship between division champs creates all sorts of scenarios (see SEC) for repeating games, for 1-1 seasons between rivals, for a (conf) 9-0 team from a tough division losing to a 6-3 winner from another division, etc.

I simmed a few seasons under my realignment. Here's the biggest clusterfuck, 2015:

Bo Division:

Week  Michigan  Illinois  Iowa  MSU  Minnesota  Wisconsin
4 x  x  L-Nebraska  L-Indiana  L-Penn St.  W-Purdue
5 W-Northwestern  L-Nebraska  W-Indiana  -x  W-Purdue  L-Ohio State
6 L-Nebraska  W-Indiana  W-Penn St.  L-Purdue  L-Ohio State  W-Northwestern
7 W-Purdue  L-Ohio State  L-Northwestern  L-Nebraska  W-Indiana  W-Penn St.
8 W-Illinois  L-Michigan  x L-Wisconsin  -x  W-MSU
9 W-Iowa  L-Wisconsin  L-Michigan  L-Minnesota  W-MSU  W-Illinois
10 W-Wisconsin  W-Minnesota  L-MSU  W-Iowa  L-Illinois  L-Michigan
11 W-MSU  L-Iowa  W-Illinois  L-Michigan  L-Wisconsin  W-Minnesota
12 W-Minnesota  W-MSU  L-Wisconsin  L-Illinois  L-Michigan  W-Iowa
13 L-Ohio State  W-Northwestern  W-Minnesota  L-Penn St.  L-Iowa  x
Record 7-2 4-5 4-5 1-8 3-6 7-2

Woody Division:

Week  Ohio State  Northwestern  Nebraska  Indiana  Penn St.  Purdue
4 x  x  W-Iowa  W-MSU  W-Minnesota  L-Wisconsin
5 W-Wisconsin  L-Michigan  W-Illinois  L-Iowa  -x  L-Minnesota
6 W-Minnesota  L-Wisconsin  W-Michigan  L-Illinois  L-Iowa  W-MSU
7 W-Illinois  W-Iowa  W-MSU  L-Minnesota  L-Wisconsin  L-Michigan
8 W-Northwestern  L-Ohio State  L-Penn St.  -x  W-Nebraska  -x
9 L-Nebraska  L-Indiana  W-Ohio State  W-Northwestern  W-Purdue  L-Penn St.
10 W-Indiana  L-Penn St.  L-Purdue  L-Ohio State  W-Northwestern  W-Nebraska
11 W-Penn St.  L-Purdue  W-Indiana  L-Nebraska  L-Ohio State  W-Northwestern
12 L-Purdue  L-Nebraska  W-Northwestern  L-Penn St.  W-Indiana  W-Ohio State
13 W-Michigan  L-Illinois  x  L-Purdue  W-MSU  W-Indiana
Record 7-2 1-8 7-2 2-7 6-3 5-4
         
Bo Division   Woody Division
Team B10 Record   Team B10 Record
Michigan  7-2   Nebraska  7-2
Wisconsin 7-2   Ohio State  7-2
Iowa  4-5   Penn St.  6-3
Illinois  4-5   Purdue 5-4
Minnesota  3-6   Indiana  2-7
MSU  1-8   Northwestern  1-8

Now tell me what you would rather have:

Big Ten Championship: Michigan and Nebraska play again for all the marbles.

Big Ten Showcase: Ohio State and Iowa face each other Friday night, then on Saturday at noon we get Michigan/Penn State, and then Nebraska and Wisconsin for the nightcap. At three different stadiums.

The money factor is greater (three good to awesome games) than the championship. And even if it's not a one-game decision, after those three games we'll have a pretty damn good idea which team ultimately had the best season (probably the winner of Wisconsin/Nebraska).

What I love most about it is at the end of the season, we get to hand-pick three telling games that we didn't see during the year: no repeats, no getting stuck with crummy games.

Ultimately, we could determine the Rose Bowl participant by the same factors we have previously:

  1. Big Ten Record
  2. Head-to-Head
  3. Total record including Wins/Losses against non-conf BCS teams, and losses against non-BCS teams (your wins versus EMU don't count; your wins over Texas or Notre Dame do; Vanderbilt's phone is ringing off the hook).
  4. Associated Press, Coaches, Blog Poll ranking.

Okay, critics, rip this apart.

1464

August 21st, 2010 at 12:45 PM ^

Don't worry about the critics.  People on the internet don't have ideas, only opinions.  They resent people who have ideas.

I like the idea, but what happens if Michigan plays the top 6 teams in any given season, which could happen.  If we win a good set of those, and end up a top team, having played the rest of the top teams, how would that work?

Also, how would you handle the automatic bid for the BCS?  Regular season record with a tiebreaker?  I guess I'd meet you halfway and have a B10 championship game, but supplement it with two 'showcase' games as well, one earlier on Saturday or something...

bigmc6000

August 21st, 2010 at 12:46 PM ^

I know the NCAA guidelines state you have to have 12 teams to have a championship game so they say anything about, as you put it, a showcase of games?  If we're going to do a showcase I think we might as well just add on a couple games for pure money.

 

Have Bo 2 vs Woody 3 Saturday at noon, Bo 3 vs Woody 2 Saturday at 3:30 and have Bo 1 vs Woody 1 Saturday at 7. The Big Ten could quite literally rule the TV for an entire afternoon as big name teams go to battle for chances at BCS games (if not championship games) and rank order for the bowl games.  In that scenario you could have 3 stadiums and they'd rotate the games between them.  Indianapolis, Detroit and, say, Chicago.

 

Yeah, I'm pipe dreaming, I know :)

EGD

August 21st, 2010 at 12:57 PM ^

... but isn't the whole point of these things so that the championship is decided on the field based on who beats whom, rather than opinion polls that take "style points" and other subjective factors into consideration?

It seems like one possible variation on the idea could be to have third-place and fifth-place games.

Magnus

August 21st, 2010 at 1:13 PM ^

I'm confused.  Conferences with 12+ teams are allowed to have a conference championship game, giving 2 teams a 13th game (and a 14th during bowl season).

So instead you're proposing that SIX teams get a 13th game (potentially giving SIX teams a 14th game during bowl season).

So if 50% of the teams in our conference are going to potentially play 14 games...then why not have a playoff system?  We keep adding games and adding games and adding games...eventually these kids are going to be playing an NFL schedule.

EDIT: I like your outside-the-box thinking.  I just don't think it's a good idea.

steve sharik

August 21st, 2010 at 1:20 PM ^

...here is how the high schools would do it.  I'm not saying this is how it should be done, but this is how the high schools do things.  (Note: I like how they do their playoff system and is something I would love to see implemented at the NCAA D-1A level.)

You take the rivals and split them up, like so:

  • Michigan-Ohio State
  • Michigan State-Penn State
  • Nebraska-Iowa
  • Wisconsin-Minnesota
  • Northwestern-Illinois
  • Purdue-Indiana

Next you take half of each rivalry and create divisions, like so:

Bo Division:

  • Michigan
  • Michigan State
  • Nebraska
  • Wisconsin
  • Illinois
  • Purdue

Woody Division:

  • Ohio State
  • Penn State
  • Iowa
  • Minnesota
  • Northwestern
  • Indiana

You play two crossovers the first two weeks (not including your rival), followed by your five divisional games, followed by "match-up week", and finally "rivalry week." (Two things: a) I would prefer rivalry week then match-up week and b) there is great potential for rematches on back-to-back weeks, something coaches hate.  And since playoffs is geographically determined in HS, there have been times when teams have played three weeks straight.)

During "match-up week" it's #1 Bo vs. #1 Woody, #2 Bo vs. #2 Woody, etc.  Divisions host alternating years; e.g., 2011 all the Bo division teams are at home, 2012 Woody teams host, etc.

So, let's say Michigan randomly draws Iowa and Minnesota.  The schedule might look something like:

  1. Utah State
  2. at ND
  3. Central Michigan
  4. Iowa
  5. at Minnesota
  6. Nebraska
  7. at Wisconsin
  8. Illinois
  9. at Purdue
  10. Michigan State
  11. (match-up) #1 Michigan at #1 Ohio State
  12. (rivalry) Ohio State at Michigan

 

Njia

August 21st, 2010 at 1:32 PM ^

But I think I see how it might work. On the other hand, I can just as well see the B10 illuminati deciding to draw straws or flip a coin.

Wolverine Incognito

August 21st, 2010 at 1:36 PM ^

Not only do I like the idea of avoiding a rematch, but you avoid a potential nightmare like they had in the Big 12 South a couple years ago when Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas Tech all only had one conference loss.  This way, ALL THREE get to play, and make their case for the national title game!  Sweet!

MCalibur

August 21st, 2010 at 1:39 PM ^

I think Magnus has a good point and I balk at the idea of not having the Division Champs go head-to-head to decide the title...what would be the point of splitting into divisions in that set-up?

So, I'd modify thusly: as a conference mandate that all teams drop Tomato Can U and make up the lost revenue by creating showcase week which would occur two weeks before the Championship Game with a BYE in between. All teams would be matched up with par-ish competition (repeats disallowed) within the league. That would be some big time coin. But it's a 9th conference game, so it wouldn't be seen for a few more years.

Seth

August 22nd, 2010 at 12:09 AM ^

For those confused, my main point is thus:

What if, instead of the Big Ten painting itself in a corner most years in the hopes of having an interesting final "championship" game, when we get to the end of the Big Ten season, the conference hand-picks interesting matchups that we didn't get to see during the year.

Further detail (if the bold part is making your head spin):

No, we don't need divisions even. The idea of divisions is to break up the 12-team mega-conference into something more intimate, so that there are a certain number of teams that you play every year. These are rivalries, and nearby schools, and trophy games, because college football is at its best when the losers walk home knowing they'll get a shot next year, and the winners walk home knowing they get exactly a year of bragging rights. We can't do that without an 11-game conference schedule, which isn't happening, so this way at least there are conferences within the conference where that kind of intimacy can continue in perpetuity.

The reason that picking a conference (or to a greater degree, a national champion) in football is nigh impossible is there aren't enough games. The more games between the top group, the greater information you have. Under my system, the champion will have played all but one member of the conference, and that one will always be a team that wasn't in contention.

What I don't like is making one game on Neutral ground more determinate than another. If Michigan goes into Columbus on the last weekend of November and beats Ohio State, what the hell is a game between them in Indianapolis a week later going to prove? If Michigan beat Penn State in Week 4, what is a game between them 10 weeks later going to prove?

We keep getting trapped in this idea that the decision of how matchups will be determined has to be determined far in advance. This is how you get the BCS, which is the most convoluted and crappiest championship-determining system in major sports.

You know what's simple? Wait till Week 14, then say "Gee -- if we only had THIS game and THIS game and maybe THIS game, we would really know. Or at least, we would know more.

As to why we don't do a playoff if we're adding so many more games, that is an entirely different question not at all in the scope of the Big Ten's realignment proposal. That's an NCAA thing. If two teams can play 14 games, so can six teams. So can all 12, if we want to do that "Pipe Dream" idea of a 1v1, 2v2, etc.

What I want to do is get to the end of the season, then say "dude, we really need THIS game to compare" and play that game. We did pretty okay picking out Rose Bowl (i.e. BCS) representatives using eight games in a ten- and eleven-team conference. Having 10 games where all of the top contenders have all played each other, and not repeating any games all season -- that's how I want to end the season. A 2-team playoff based on arbitrary divisions that most often features a rematch is worse.

Nobody's brain should be hurting here. There are no complex formulae. There is no set offiical way of determining the three games, other than "it's the end of the Big Ten seasona and I haven't seen 2002 Ohio State and 2002 Iowa play yet," with the added bonus of lots of $$$ for everybody by ending the season with a dominating weekend of three high-profile games.

I don't think it gets more simple than that.

jmblue

August 22nd, 2010 at 12:21 AM ^

It's an interesting idea, but logistically, it would be impossible.  You'd be asking six fanbases to buy tickets to a game on extremely short notice, with the location and opponent determined days in advance.  When you consider that a lot of conference title games don't sell out (the ACC's doesn't even come close most years), and their location is fixed years in advance, there's just no way this could be pulled off.  It's a creative idea, though. 

As for the divisions, I've come to realize that geography is really the only dividing strategy that is remotely workable.  Put Michigan, MSU, OSU, PSU, IU and Purdue in the East Division, and Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois and Northwesterm in the West Division.  All major rivalries are preserved, with no worries about rematches.  No need for cross-division protected games.  It's the most win-win solution we're going to get.  (I'll give SpartanDan his due; he's been arguing for this from day one.)        

MrWoodson

August 22nd, 2010 at 8:30 AM ^

If two teams can play 14 games, so can six teams. So can all 12, if we want to do that "Pipe Dream" idea of a 1v1, 2v2, etc.

That's why they call 'em rules. Under NCAA rules which all teams have agreed to, you can play 12 games, 13 if you qualify for a conference championship game. You can't just do it anyway you want simply because you think it works better.