At tight end. Of course if we judge him by how he handles himself in the media, I wouldn't rule out a career in diplomacy for TP.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
At tight end. Of course if we judge him by how he handles himself in the media, I wouldn't rule out a career in diplomacy for TP.
Maybe he can become a public defender, I mean everyone murders people right?
One of them had to be the intelligent Terrelle Pryor and the other
four would be Dan Herron, DeVier Posey, Michael Brewster, and Nathan Williams.
I don't care who stays or leaves VICTORY is ours at the Big House next year
I can't see him as a TE...just because usually TE's know how to shut thier mouths. No he is more of a WR based on his comments.
Like Kellen Winslow and Jeremey Shockey
Geez obviously I was talking about good tight ends.
Yeah, I did. Nice catch.
Terrelle Pryor can dominate at any position. Just ask him.
He'll beat any team 9/10 times, as long as that 1 loss was the first game, and the other team kicked his ass.
but on any offense too, he is really the best football player ever to live. he just pretends he's not as good every week because he doesn't want to make others jealous of his amazing skills and capabilities.
(if you couldn't pick it up *SACRCASIM*)
I'd take Denard Robinson over TP (haha toilet paper) any day!!
It'll be a shock if Pryor goes, but RB Bam Herron and one or two of their All-Big Ten junior offensive linemen might also go. WR Posey is also a decent possibility.
The more the merrier.
Pryor and the linemen would be the biggest losses; they probably can absorb the loss of Herron and/or Posey.
Also a noun, as in "lower the boom".
you're missing the real issue - why do osu running backs always have such stupid nicknames? Beanie? Boom? Next thing you know, they'll recruit a Bam-Bam and a Bruiser.
Do you really think Herron would go? I thought one of OSU's problems this season was that neither Herron nor Saine were distinguishing themselves as quality backs.
Maybe he's feeling snubbed by not winning a single meaningful award and wants to prove himself in the pros. Zing!
You're anticipating some serious maturing from TP, aren't you?
One more chance to get destroyed by a winged helmet. I imagine a beefed up Roh coming from his blindside to apply a hurtin'! Priceless.
Make that two more chances.
that the suckeyes will make it to the championship game.
For how much I despise tOSU I wish them luck. I don't think TP goes pro this year because he has a ton to work on if he is going to play QB. But you never know what will happen when a player gets to the NFL. Just look at Couch from the Browns last decade and Brady, completely different outcomes.
I have been wondering about this, and I should probably go back and look at the Mathlete's data showing QB growth through their four years. Even with data though, I do not expect Pryor to have a much more productive year than he had this year. He has already participated in three spring training workouts, has started since he was a freshman, and is playing in an offense that doesn't rely on him to make a lot of plays. (as an aside, I think Tressel allowed Troy Smith to do a lot more in his offense than Pryor, which somewhat discounts the Tressel doesn't adjust to his players). I just think that Pryor has hit his ceiling as a college quarterback, and expect minimal gains in his game as a senior. If he returns, he will still get wins, but this is more similar to Boeckman or Krenzel getting wins than the Troy Smith lead wins. Just an opinion.
Tressel didn't open up the offense until Troy's senior year. Troy in 2005 was still making the transition from a scrambling QB to a true dual-threat QB, and Tressel didn't really have much faith in him until late in the season; Troy only threw 237 passes in 2005.
I don't follow OSU nearly as closely as you probably do, so I will go by what you say. I still stand by my assessment above though, as Troy Smith only played QB for 2 1/2 years, while Pryor has been at it for 3 going on 4. Or, as another way to put it, if I had to go up against one of the two, with every esle equal, I would easily pick Pryor. While Pryor has done ok against our defenses of late (who hasn't) Smith looked spectacular against our 2006 defense, which is no small feat. (although the 2005 loss was IMO largely lost due to the fact we went to a prevent defense against Smith with 5 minutes left when we had been stoning him all day)
Agree that it is very hard to predict who is going to become a great pro QB. The flops have always stood out - the past four big disappointments have been Leaf, Russell, Leinhart and Marinovich - all had a lot of pre-NFL hype, physically looked the part and came in and blew up. Of course, Peyton Manning came in with a lot of hype and had all of the physical features one would want and he did pay off for the Colts.
Everyone else however were not the ideal physical archtype QB. The only common aspect was that they all were hard workers off the field or had an overwhelming burning competitive fire. The kids who always had to prove themselves in high school and college maybe better prepared mentally - they have had to work harder and prove to the coaches that they deserved to start. They weren't just bigger and faster than the other kids. That may be part of the reason why Vince Young at Tennessee has had issues - he was always quicker, faster, and bigger than nearly all of his college opponents.
The college situation also may not have an incentive for the coaches to do much tinkering with a kid's mechanics if he is productive. Why break down a kid's throwing motion and take a whole year to sort that out if he is super productive (like Tim Tebow at Florida)? Why spend a lot of time teaching how to read a defense and make adjustments at the line if that isn't part of the college team's offense? That is probably the biggest concern a spread team has with attracting QB talent.
Herron seems pretty eager to go be a 4th RD pick.
if you aint 4th your last
I wouldn't read into this very much. I seem to remember last year almost all of their starting juniors filed the paperwork to be evaluated, but hardly any left (I'm at work and can't look up the exact number). Tressel encourages his players to test the water and see where they would be drafted.
Last year I thought Cameron Heyward, Chimdi Checkwa, Devon Torrence, Brandon Saine, and Brian Rolle were all leaving. Silly me.
He was a 1st/2ed rounder last year, this year not so much and I don't think he was doubled more, maybe one of the OSU guys can weigh in.
He is still going in the first round based on talent and size alone. But he did have a disapointing (for his standards) senior year. Much like Iowa's Clayborn, the secret was out, he faced double teams and offenses aggresively avoiding him/his side.
What is your point? I never said that Cam was better, in fact I said he had a disapointing year.
Is that if he were a guaranteed first rounder based on talent alone, the double teams/avoiding his side wouldn't have stopped him from destroying shit, see Brandon Graham.
I highly doubt Cam Heyward goes in the first round. He's probably the 4th best DE in the Big Ten (behind 3 very good players), and that not counting guys from other conferences, namely DeQuan Bowers. He might be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but there are too many DEs above him to be a 1st round pick.
Despite coaching at tOSU and wearing sweatervests, Tressell has attacted highly-ranked players and seems to support their testing the water as juniors. Of course, it helps to have a pipeline filled with 4 and 5 star underclassment to replace them. I have to respect what Tressell has done during his tenure as HC, even though I want to beat him black and BLUE.
and only one of them left
After Jake Locker's flameout this year, there really is a dearth of NFL-caliber (at least size wise) QB's in this year's draft with a performance history. Newton will almost certainly be the first QB off the board, but after that then who? Stanzi? Christian Ponder? Mitch Mustain? Kellen Moore?
Pryor would almost certainly be in the conversation with Ryan Mallett for the 2nd QB in the draft, unless the Raiders are picking #1 and then you know that they'll take "throw thru a brick wall" Mallett with the top pick :). In all seriousness, Pryor has the size NFL teams are looking for w/ some wiggle, he's a three year starter at a top school with a winning backstory, has shown progression in his game (arm punts notwithstanding) and in his best games he's looked like a pro QB (last year's Rose Bowl). Tressel would go to the mat for the guy as well in terms of advocacy. He'll probably test out of the world at the combine in all the phsyical measurables, and if he can show a big arm, then he'll probably even overcome the concerns about his accuracy. If he did put his name in for evaulation, I'm guessing he's going to get a response back saying he'd rank as the 2nd or 3rd QB in the draft, and a likely late 1st rd pick.
Uhhh, you ever hear of Andrew Luck?
Luck's said he's staying...whether that stays true or not.. I dunnno
Pryor said he's staying too. Then again, he also said he only cares about the team.
and Ryan Mallett?
Pryor would almost certainly be in the conversation with Ryan Mallett for the 2nd QB in the draft
Luck will go before cam newton and I still wouldn't be surprised if locker goes in the first round. TP wouldn't go first round
You only mentioned him dominating the physical portion of the combine. You must have forgotten his cognitive prowess; he's a shoe-in for the first ever perfect 50 score on the wonderlic.
Rittenberg says he would be surprised if Pryor left early. In most cases I would agree with him - I think that last year can have a big impact on a player's draft position. However Pryor has been a full time starter for three years and is not that much different now than when he started - the fourth year is not likely to change his status much. His leaving would hurt OSU but not necessarily him - wouldn't be surprised if he were gone.
A bigger factor is the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement and rookie pay scale. That may or may not encourage players to leave early.
Pryor has been a full time starter for three years and is not that much different now than when he started
That is not true. As a QB he is significantly better (mecanics, footwork, accuracy, decision making, etc.) than he was as a freshman, He isn't NFL ready, but he certainly has improved each year, and there is no reason to think that he won't improve his senior year also.
I'm sure that Pryor will go pro, but I doubt he's one of the 5 who submitted their names for evaluation. You think Pryor would really care what they say? He knows (read thinks) he could tear it up in any offense.
this was point chris spielman made, we need to recruit NFL caliber kids..let the bashing of this comment begin..
This is great news. What are they loosing 24 total seniors this year on their entire roster? I can't remember where I heard that number. I am making the logical assumption that the Juniors who are considering leaving play meaningful minutes. Junior tOSU 2-deep:
QB Terrell Pryor$, QB Joe Bauserman*
RB Dan Herron$
WR DeVier Posey$, WR Grant Schwartz*, WR Ryan Shuck*
TE Spencer Smith*
OT Mike Adams$, OT J.B. Shugarts$
OG Zack Slagle*
C Michael Brewster$
DE Nathan Williams$, Solomon Thomas*
LB Andrew Sweet$, Etinne Sabino*
$ denotes estimated solid contributor or starter
*denotes estimated non-contributor
With all the seniors they loose, and if a few Juniors go, we could catch up in a heartbeat experience and talent wise to them next year.
Offensively, I agree with you. Defensively, I don't. All OSU does is reload and put one of the best defenses on the field in the big ten year in and year out. Unless, OSU's defense has a significantly drop off compared to what they've done the last 4-5 years, I'll be surpised if UM's defense is as good as OSU's next year.
Thats just a list of the juniors they have on their two deep. I'm not speculating as to who will leave or how many. I just listed out every junior to see the pool of players who could leave. All I am saying is that OSU is loosing a lot of seniors, and maybe a few juniors. This translates into a smaller experience ratio vs Michigan next season. They still will have a better defense, and I never made any assumption saying that we would have the better defense. I do expect OSU to reload, but when you have to replace possibly 24-29 upperclassmen, this will make a difference. All this is showing is that there will be a much smaller gap between UM and OSU next year regarding age and experience.
The string is broken. UM 40 - OSU 27. Book it guaranteed.
I love how hometown bias clouds Michigan fans' judgment.
Terrelle Pryor completed 65% of his passes, threw 25 TDs and 11 INTs, and has a 157.98 PER this year. Plus he's 6'6" and 233 lbs. and runs pretty fast. Oh, and he's 11-1.
But yeah, he sucks. He'll definitely be a tight end in the NFL! Those passing numbers in the Big Ten are horrible!
Penn State- 8/13
But yeah, I'm sure those six touchdowns against EMU will get the scouts going nuts. Vince Young also completed 65 percent of his passes as a r. junior. He must be a great passer in the pros.
His team won 4 out of 5 of those games, right?
You prefer Tom Brady's Superbowl Rings or Peyton Manning's passing stats?
counterpoint: Brady did something to earn those wins.
Bottom line: if you can't do anything better than average to below-average against winning teams in college, I don't like your pro odds. Just me, though. I know Pryor had success running the ball in most of those games, but the rushing yards don't come easily for a QB in the pros, so I'm more inclined to look at the passing game.
Do you really think Pryor can be the face of a pro franchise when he gets butthurt and cries every time Mark May pokes fun of him or he doesn't make the all-Big 10 team? I want my team's QB to be mature and thick-skinned. Pryor is neither.
Do you trust Pryor to hit a 40-yard post on a rope? What about a 15-yard out? 18-yard comeback? Do you trust him to step up in the pocket and deliver a good throw with LaMarr Woodley about to put him into next week? He has a hard enough time throwing a deep ball that doesn't start quacking halfway through with no pass rush at the college level, but I'm supposed to be convinced that he can be a good pro QB? Sorry, I'm not buying.
Nobody's claiming that he's going to put up great numbers in the NFL. But to believe that he'll automatically be a tight end or wide receiver is a little silly.
Miami: 12/27 for 233 yards and 1 touchdown, plus over 100 yards rushing
Illinois: 9/16 for 76 yards, 2 touchdowns, 1 INT, plus over 100 yards rushing
Wisconsin: admittedly a bad game against a team that's beating other Big Ten teams by 60 points.
Penn State: 8/13 for 139 yards, 2 touchdowns, 1 INT in a 24-point win
Iowa: 18/33 for 195 yards, 1 touchdown, 2 interceptions plus 78 yards rushing
So his numbers against the cream of the crop of the Big Ten were 61/117 for 799 yards, 6 touchdowns, 5 interceptions; 400 rushing yards; and 4 wins and 1 loss.
Not great, but those stats don't exactly scream "NFL tight end" either. And for all the comparisons to Vince Young, Pryor runs more of a pro-style offense than Young and should have a slightly easier transition.
If I were an NFL GM, I wouldn't want Pryor because he seems like an ass. But he'll be an ass whether he plays QB or TE.
He got hurt during the Illinois game. He strained his left quad at the beginning of the 3rd quarter, so virtually all of those stats came in the first half.
He wasn't able to run at all during the Indiana game the next week, where he was 24/30 for 334 yds, 3 TDs, 1 INT. Yeah, it was Indiana, but that's still an impressive stat line, especially for someone who's not a pocket QB.
Apparently it was blowing passes off by yards and there were also strange things like 41 yard field goals coming up short.
It is a good debate and you never know how the winds of the NFL will change.
Currently the VY experiment has been a mixed bag. He is still a terrible passer, but his legs do allow him to be effective as a qb when he is not going crazy.
Tebow has not been allowed to play yet.
Newton and Pryor are next. Is the NFL still willing to take a chance on these kind of qb's? It's and organiztional commitment, because you have to really mold your offense around these guys, because they can't operate a pro style scheme and be effective. Newton seems to have the arm and accuarcy needed. Pryor looks more like D. Stanton with speed. Pryor reminds me very much of V. Young minus the toughness to run. Pryor does not want to run.
Both put up good stats that made people say see he completes over 60% of his passes he is accurate, when in reality they pile up the stats because teams are paralyzed defensively because of their ability to break the pocket. People say it doesn't work in the NFL, it does, it is just not as effective.
But those numbers just aren't that good. The rushing numbers are fine, but he won't do nearly as much of that in the NFL. It shows he's mobile, which is good. But an NFL team will want their QB to be able to make all of the throws, against NFL CBs, and to do so 30-35 times a game if necessary (he threw 30 passes twice in 12 games this year).
So against the cream of the Big Ten crop, he had a terrible game against the best team, and aboverage and nothing more against the other good teams. The only good game he had in that group was PSU, and those other teams aren't world-beater defenses either.
He wins games because OSU has a great defense, otherwise he might have gone 8-4 this year. Outside of Wisco, he never had to come from behind, so his passing wasn't really tested.
TP is a good, but not great, college QB. However, of the guys in college football right now, I bet we could name 10 guys who we all agree will be better NFL QBs. And that doesn't bode well for being drafted too highly as a QB in the league. My no-brainers - Ryan Mallett, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Landry Jones, probably Aaron Murray, Blaine Gabbert, Matt Barkley, Nick Foles, Brandon Weeden (?), Andy Dalton (?). Not a bad start.
EDIT: I'll add Jake Locker, Christian Ponder and Dayne Crist to that list as well.
Again, nobody's saying that he's going to be a superstar NFL quarterback.
I'm saying that it's kind of silly to say "He sucks! He's going to be a tight end in the NFL!" There's a big difference.
OK, I guess I didn't catch anyone saying he sucks, just that there is a lot in between "he sucks" and "he's going to play QB in the NFL." And if he wasn't so big and athletic, people would say that he has a shot as a back-up QB for a bit.
I think the "He's going to be a TE in the pros" comment has more to do with his potential as a TE than as his lack there of at QB. TP is 6'6" 235 and fast. That's a combination that current starting TEs in the NFL don't all have.
If my team drafted TP as a QB in any round before the 5th, I'd be upset about it. But if my team drafted him as a TE anywhere outside the top-20 or so, I'd think it was a good pick.
He should be a tight end, or receiver.
Shut Up magnus. You and all of your insightful data. You obviously don't know what your talking about.
NFL QB or not he is a disaster waiting to happen. Would you roll the dice on him as your QB in the NFL?
On what round you draft him and how set you are at QB position. He certainly looks as good as Mike Vick did in college......
Vick was otherworldly in college. Pryor is meh. Good, but not great.
Denard in his first year was more impressive than Pryor has been in three. If anyone looks like Vick, it is Denard.
Michael Vick was good in college. He was not "otherworldly". In fact, his statistics are not even close to Pryor's (or Robinsons...or Newtons...or...):
He's a good (great-ish) pro QB. College numbers really don't indicate how good someone can be at the NFL level - that has been a repeated motif in history.
Er...nope. As the poster before me said, Denard is pretty much Vick-Light. Pryor is a big, strong dude with a big arm and a small brain (for a QB)...If we're going to compare him to an elite QB, I liken him more to Roethlisberger. Big arm, extremely hard to take down, makes a lot of stupid, stupid mistakes but usually redeems himself on other big plays. Pryor is more athletic but less polished as a passer (mechanically) then Big Ben, but like Vick, if he puts in the work and has good coaching he can learn how to be a better passer in the NFL.
You ought to hear how the Buckeye fans where I live in Ohio whine and moan and complain about both TP and Tressel. Expectations set before the year began and before Pryor ever played his 1st down at QB for OSU are ridiculous. He's a very good college QB, and when he goes someone in the NFL will take him and likely get another Mike Vick type QB or better.
when he goes someone in the NFL will take him and likely get another Mike Vick type QB or better.
In terms of numbers or style? Remember that Vick's numbers in Atlanta were not very good. He was a 55% passer, average rating around 80. Ran around a lot and did get some wins from it. Not a very good QB until this season with Philly, though, after he went through a court-ordered maturation process.
I see TP's style being very different (more akin to Vince Young, or even Jamarcus Russell), but could see similar numbers (note also that VY's numbers are pretty similar to Vick's first several in ATL). What this means is that whoever drafts him will get a work in progress, basically a mediocre pro QB who won't win you a ton of games for at least the first few seasons.
The Buckeyes fans where you live are idiots.
I agree he's had nice stats, but don't equate winning with Pryor at QB - Todd Boeckman went 31-16 over his career at OSU with similar passing numbers and only lost 4 games over 2 seasons. Sure, he shared time with Pryor during that second year, but winning at OSU has never been about the QB. And against any teams with good pass defenses - see below for the particulars, but Miami (TYM), Illinois, Wiscy, and Iowa all kept him around 50% or less in terms of completion percentages.
Pryor is a great athlete who could be an asset in the pros. But consider that when Tebow was coming out, most people figured he would flounder as a QB - and based on some stuff I've heard from Denver, he is still a work in progress. Tebow had better passing numbers, better rushing numbers, better winning percentage, actually won two MNCs, etc., and was farther along as a passer than Pryor has shown these past 3 years.
I'm not hating on the guy for being a Buckeye, but pointing out that a guy who hasn't made dramatic improvements as a passer over the past 3 years and who still struggles against good defenses despite having some very good weapons on offense and a dominant defense to cover up for him isn't being an irrational homer. People will likely say the same things about Denard in a couple of years, and I wouldn't blame them. Pat White, Woddy Danzler, and even Shaun King struggled in making the transition from RR's option QB to a more conventional passing attack, and I woudn't be surprised to see Denard struggle as well.
I don't necessarily agree that Tebow was further along as a passer than Pryor. He had a lot of mechanical things to fix, and his offense was not pro-oriented at all. Pryor's offense actually uses a fullback, multiple tight end sets, etc. that he'll find in the NFL, too.
Pryor doesn't have the intangibles (I can't believe I just used that word) that Tebow has. To be an NFL qb, you have to be able to make good reads and have a very high football IQ. Based on what I've seen of Pryor (not very much, and I'm probably being biased in my assessment), his passes look ugly and his recievers bail him out a lot. Also, many of the draft experts had Tebow going in the second or third round based on his skill-set. A lot of people were also saying he was going to end up as a FB in the NFL. If I had to chose between Tebow and Pryor, I would take Tebow in a second, and I hate both of them.
I would take Tebow over Pryor, too, but mainly because Pryor is stupid and jerky and Tebow is a good kid.
Right, and I guess if I had a point that was it. Tebow's attitude was probably the main reason he was taken so high. Neither one of them was/is supposed to be an elite NFL qb, or even a starting qb for that matter, but Tebow actually has a chance because he's a great leader and hard worker, which is more than you can say about Pryor. I'm nowhere close to being as intelligent as an NFL GM (Matt Millen aside of course), but I wouldn't take a risk on Pryor. He's basically Terrell Owens without the play to back it up.
I'm not denying that the offenses were different and that Tebow didn't have some problems mechanically - I still think he'll never become a top-notch QB in the pros because his mechanics are all over the map. But looking at their junior-year stats, they both threw around 300 passes (Pryor still has a game to play, so he'll likely eclipse that number while Tebow was 298), with Pryor completing a few more but Tebow throwing 5 more TDs against 7 less INTs. He also ran for more TDs and about the same number of yards as Pryor. I couldn't find their downfield success rates, but according to cfbstats.com Tebow threw more accurately on third downs, especially as the yardage grew. Sure, that might be in part the offense, but I also think it shows a lack of maturation by Pryor as a passer in obvious passing downs. I'm not saying anyone should eb pronouncing him a lost cause as a QB, but he definitely has not made the dramatic leap that some people were expecting after last year's Rose Bowl win.
Pryor needs so much work if he's going to be an effective QB. The physical skills are there, sure, but the mental game isn't. I'm aware that he's 30-4 as a starter, but I'm more inclined to give the bulk of the credit to the running game and stalwart defense that Ohio State tends to have. I don't think he's nearly ready.
Herron and Nate Williams are probably the only ones close to going.
Herron can be replaced. I think this is a situation where his value might not be higher next year and there are good backs behind him.
Nate Williams didn't really have a good enough year to leave.
Posey would be silly to leave. The offensive line is staying.
The Ohio State offense will be good. The defense should reload with players coming back from injuries (Moeller, Christian Bryant, CJ Barnett) and talented backups (Sabino, Bell, Fellows, etc)
If the NFL has a lockout, nobody will leave. Meanwhile, it just so happens we've got no pro prospects. I don't believe that all of our ailments are due to bad lucky, but god damn fate has really sucked for the Wolverines this decade. Why couldn't there be a lockout in 2001 or 2006 or 2007 when we badly needed a guy who left early?
If Pryor's unlikely to improve his draft stock by staying another year there's no reason he should "suffer one more year", as he put it.
6 GP, 58.6%, 8 TD, 7 INT, 129.53 PER, 7.5 (I hate this stat so much, but since Magnus used it...)
November stats: 3 GP, 60.3%, 5 TD, 4 INT, 135.66 PER, 7.6 ypa.
WOW! What a stud.
Pryor has improved: in his first two seasons he put up decent but unspectacular numbers against everyone including the "cupcakes", now he can put up huge numbers against the "cupcakes" but is still decent but unspectacular against competent college teams.
He will get destroyed by NFL defenses. Those moonballs he still has a tendency to throw will not get deflected to float into the hands of his WR's for long TD's, but rather, turn into INT's against an NFL-level secondary.
From Pryor's comments about how he would "dominate" if he were in the spread option, it sounds like he thinks he no longer needs to be in Columbus. He sounds to me like someone who realizes he made the wrong decision, but can't do anything to fix it on a college level.
If Pryor's ego has him thinking he is a finished product, and that all he has to do to be a great NFL QB is to put on an NFL uniform, then he has already made his decision.
He sounds like a confident/moronic 21 year old, just like every other damn 21 year old, athlete or not. Was is a foolish thing to say? Yes. Should he feel this way? Absolutely! Would you rather your QB say, "no I don't think I could play in their offense, I would suck" ? The kid was asked how he would do in those offenses, what did you want him to do? I would rather our QB have the confidence/belief that he can succeed in any system, wouldn't you?
I can't think of anyone on our team who would say the dumb shit he does. Maybe one, who I'll refrain from naming.
You are replying to something I never said. Read my point, it has nothing to do with your reply.
Actually, you said that he sounds like every other confident 21-year-old, athlete or not. Michigan has 21-year-olds on its team. They are not as dumb as yours.
Therefore, his response was totally in line with yours.
I've been defending Pryor's skills throughout this thread, so I'm a fairly objective observer when I say this:
Terrelle Pryor frequently embarrasses himself when he opens his mouth. There's a saying that goes "It's better to remain silent and let people think you're a moron than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." Pryor obviously hasn't heard that quote. And if he did, he might be too dense to understand it. Your QB is a fool. I know that probably sucks to know that your premiere player is an idiot, but it's true. Just accept it and try to appreciate his athletic talents for what they are.
I never siad he wasn't. I said I'm glad he has the confidence to think he can excell in any offense. Again, should he say it? No. Should he believe it? Hell yes.
Pryor is horrible, they have great supporting cast of athletes, if anything if they had Drob they would be unstoppable, Tate is even better than Pryor..
"Tate is even better than Pryor.."
Let's not get ridiculous here.
Pryor would be winning the Heisman is he were at Michigan, Tressell has the snake oil..
... for every college player thinking about going to the draft early, stay in school. The NFLPA says there is going to be a lockout, don't take the chance.
I was really hoping NFL was the abbreviation of a very, very tall building. C'mon buckeyes, jump!
they all go...
I really don't know if he will succeed in the NFL at QB, I wouldn't count him out just because he does seem to keep improving.