during Hoke's 12:30 presser he will address both players situations?
i mean seriously he was just as good this year
during Hoke's 12:30 presser he will address both players situations?
This has to be Hoke trolling the media again, right? There's no way he lets this slip out before announcing a decision unless the depth chart is meaningless for the purposes of Toussaint and Clark in re: the 'Bama game. I'm sure he's at practice having a good laugh over this.
If he's trying to troll anyone, I'd imagine it's the Alabama coaching staff. I'm not sure how likely that is to work, though.
Actually, on that note, you know what would be pretty brilliant? Floating a false rumor that Denard won't be able to play because of injury, suspension, or whatever. I'm skeptical that Alabama's game prep depends too much on whether Fitz or Rawls starts, but I have to think that it would change fundamentally if we had Bellomy or Gardner out there instead of Denard.
Saban, if you're reading this, I have rock solid sources indicating that Denard can't go this week. Oh, and Michigan's base offense will be the fake FG. Oh, and we're trying out a 1-8-2 defense. It's gonna be crazy.
Honeslty, if there's any coaching staff that's predisposed to believe that Fitz is going to play, it would be Alabama's.
The fan in me wants him to play, but the parent in me wants him to sit out.
Wild-ass guess: I think Fitz plays, but I don't think he starts.
Not cool Brady. Not cool.
No decision has been made about Clark or Toussaint according to Hoke's 12:30 presser.
Will be made "soon"
I get making Bama prepare for Fitz and Rawls/Smith until they know for sure, but 5 days before the game you think they would have announced suspensions already.
Disagree completely. If the goal is to keep Alabama guessing (debabtable whether or not it is), then you don't announce the suspension at all until moments before the game. This is not unusual/unprecedented. Much like injuries that coaches say are a "gametime decision," you'll see players suddenly disclosed to be sitting based on a violation of unspecified team rules.
This depth chart means nothing until an official announcement by the coaches. At this point, it looks like they're not going to make an announcement, so we'll just have to wait until Saturday afternoon to find out.
of the frackin' time has to say about the WHY. Until then, nattering is just nattering.
Maybe he wasn't drunk at all, but took the fall for his sister?
It's driving this board nuts [myself included], but I love this gamesmanship.
Where is this depth chart you speak of?
Hoke: "Hey, they keep asking me for a depth chart. Al, who are you going to put in when we run the fake 23 blast with a backside george reverse?"
Borges: "I just look down the sideline and make up my mind."
Hoke: "yeah, me too. Get that new intern to put something together for these people so we can get back to work."
put this into the "list of proof ace williams is full of shit" bin since he claimed it was already decided it was a suspension of 2-4 games
Wow, I was wondering when it would pop up.
The part of me that desperately wants to beat Bama is happy. The part of me that holds on to the belief that Michigan really is different than other big time football programs is let down big time.
I will drink a Bloody Mary to that.
now Alabama has to prepare for Toussaint, not like they weren't already.
But, I'll be disappointed if Fritz doesn't at least miss some of this game and even then I'll probably feel dirty about him playing.
We're all a little overzealous here. The number one thing I'm seeing in the way of complaints is, "We'll be no different from MSU or OSU." Really? You think our decisioins should be made solely on keeping the "moral high ground" over these programs? You think doling out extra punishments has anything to do with the moral high ground?
No. In fact, should be contantly punish plyers above and beyond what is necessary to teach them a proper lesson about accountability, that DETRACTS from our moral standing. They used to cut off theive's hands. Then they figured out that's more than what's necessary. Not every thief is a recidivist. Some just made an honest mistake, and the appropriate jail term or fine will teach them. Do you want to go back to every shop owner carrying a leather strap and scimitar?
Hoke keeps program punishments within the program, and we do not know what Fitz and or Clark has had to do or will have to do. So far, Hoke has run a squeaky clean program, and gotten rid of players that showed repeating behavior. This is the first time Fitz has been in trouble. If Hoke thinks he's paid his dues, it would only make us look like assholes to punish him more.
Do you honestly think the media or fans of other schools are going to agree with the decision to let him play?
We will not look like assholes if we "punish him more"
We will look like assholes if we don't suspend a kid who got a DUI for at least a game.
Oh, what a load of crap. Who in the heck gives a teaspoon of care what the media reports for one day? You think Fitz playing will forever brand us something different than what 133 years of football have branded us? You think Hoke or the coaching staff care what Ol' Herbie or Jim Rome bitch about? You think ANYONE does? They'll complain that it shows some depreciating values or something, and then next week a player will beat the crap out of his girlfriend at Arkansas and that'll be that.
We should be concerned with doing the right thing and looking ourselves in the mirror. Not hat SportsCenter thinks we should feel. That's why I bottom-line it like this.
Kid made a mistake. We don't know much about it. We know it was his first DUI and he did not cause an accident, such that he may not have been aware he was over the limit. We know that Hoke has been serving in-program punishment. We know Hoke has so far made only the best decisions and shown the desire to win the right way.
If you think that provies us enough information to condemn any decision the program might make, then you're not thinking things through very well.
I trust them all implicitly, of course.
Well I don't entrirely disagree, but it makes us look pretty bad when we refer to other schools as thugs and then we let our guys who get arrested play.
Did Hoke? Did the program? I don't think so.
You're not worried what the program will look like if he plays. You're worried what YOU'LL look like. The trick, then, is to STOP BEING SO GODDAMN JUDGEMENTAL.
Amen. Also, this would be the exception, not the rule. Lesson learned: we simply don't know enough.
There are a ton of people who think it's super funny to make fun of Sparty or ND b/c of their perceived leniency, so they know if Hoke plays Fitz/Clark they're going to have to come up with what will sound like a lame rationalization or take their lumps for being a dick in the past.
You've hit the nail on the head. Don't be a dick, or be willing to take your lumps.
The kids on every team are 18-22, and prone to making terrible decisions. And what it takes to get through to them will vary from individual to individual, so it doesn't make any sense to believe a cookie cutter discipline policy will be effective.
What's the reason for punishment? It's not to brag about your moral superiority to rival fans. It's to get through to the kid so he'll change his behavior in the future and become a better citizen. If that's best done some other way than suspension, then that's what I want the coach to do. If suspension or dismissal is the best way to get through to him, then that's what I want the coach to do.
My favorite.right on.
1) Surprised not to see some on the true freshman making the 2-3 deeps (in particular Strobel, RJS, and the two receivers)
2) Furman returning kickoffs? I expected Gallon and Dileo
3) I thought Beyer would be starting. He is listed as the 3rd string.
can't wait for Saturday night. Go Blue
Please Hoke, let Fitz start.
Just because Toussaint is on the depth chart doesn't mean he'll play. And just because Hoke tells the press he hasn't made a decision yet doesn't mean he actually hasn't made one.
Remember, "The Fort" is back in full effect and then some. We won't know anything about this situation until kickoff.
What does the bama fanbase think - where is RDT when we need him? Or is it when we need them?
because you didn't use that /s thingy.
Yeah I agree, MGoBlog inside jokes should never be followed with /s
Fitz is going to play. As much as some may hate it, we will never know what Hoke put him through behind the scenes. the penalties for his actions may continue throughout a considerable portion of the season. Who knows.
He's playing this game.
but doesn't play.
"What happens in court with Toussaint tuesday to have no bearing on hoke's decision"
To me this reads, Fitz came completely clean with Hoke and they made a decision based on truth. I approve.
Fitz hasn't even been arraigned yet. Thats suppose to occur tomorrow. In all likelihood, he'll plead not guilty and the judicial process will start. We (most of us) have no idea regarding the circumstances surrounding his arrest. The person making the decision on his aviliability (Hoke) is in a position of superior knowledge. I will withhold judgment until all the facts are available. I suggest you all do the same.
It is against MGoBoard rules to be so rational with your first post.
my apologies....i am trying my best to rationalize fitz starting/playing this weekend. thats the best i got.
That was your first post. Your first post is supposed to be completely irrational and angry and contain lolcats for no reason.
my first post was an angry GERG hating rant about burning his house to the ground and spreading salt on the ground. i feel no shame in it and feel the same way today.
Liar liar pants on fire!
I said this a few years back when Carson Butler was having troubles in the offseason and there was a possibility he wouldn't play: Trust in whatever the coaches are doing right now to determine if this player has learned from his mistakes and is committed to becoming a better man, and a better representative of his family and this university. While it's easy to say "Well we're doing what MSU, ND and SEC teams would do..." as soon as we hear a discplined player might play, remember this is Michigan (fergodsakes). I swear with every fiber of my being that the fire our staff is putting him through will be the test whether he's gets to put on his helmet on saturday, and you can bet that fire is hotter that any jail cell, community service or Sparty/ND decision making session.
Thusly, I feel no shame if Hoke lets Fitz play, because I will then know Fitz proved he deserves to.
A lot of these arguments are going to be for nothing because Fitz is NOT going to start against Alabama, unless the judge somehow finds him innocent.
fitz playing. if hoke thinks he's learned his lesson than i will leave it that. punishment doesn't always mean missing games. the punishment, in my view, should be whatever actually gets through to the person being punished. hoke has never come off as a win at all costs coach and i dont see that changing any time soon.
If Fitz plays, I am going to be wondering what happened to this Brady Hoke.
I can only assume that Hoke has ensured that his message has gotten across in some other way, but that does not really give a good image
I believe the decision has been made this is from the presser with Borges last week
MGoQuestion: Hoke hasn’t revealed Fitz’s status to the public, but has he discussed it with you?
For whatever reason they are keeping their decision under wraps.