this may be of some local interest
2012 Heisman Winner: Denard Robinson - University of Michigan.
2012 Heisman Winner: Fitzgerald Touissant - University of Michigan.
... look me in the face and tell me I'm wrong, ha.
that SHOE (lace) FITZ
make a shirt.
That'd be pretty sweet to have co-winners on the same team in 2012
And with that, Michigan becomes the first school in College Football History to have TWO Heisman winners in the same YEAR. (You put them both down for the 2012 Heisman Winner).
If I was to create 2012 Heisman odds off the top of my head I'd have Denard at something like 5-1 and Fitz at something like 12-1.
You would probably lose a lot of money with those odds. 5-1 to win the Heisman is really high. Andrew Luck was the outright leader at the start of the season and he was something like 5 - 1 and no offense to Denard, but he threw a lot of picks and isn't anywhere near the frontrunner as Luck. And having a second person at 12-1 is crazy. I would love if those odds matched reality, but I don't think they do.
Same problem as Montee Ball + Russell Wilson. Denard and Fitz will both be too individually great next year for either to get the credit they deserve.
have faith hokemania.
First ever double Heisman? I see now...
All Hoke has to do is double point at the heisman trophy and then there will be two, its that simple.
Have there ever been 2 heisman finalists from the same team?? Can't remember any off the top of my head.
Yes - 2004 had 5 finalists from 3 schools: Leinart and Bush from USC, White and Peterson from Oklahoma, and Smith from Utah.
Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more.
Edit: I didn't realize Bush was there with Leinart in 2004 as well.
Not sure if they were both finalists but in 2002, Ken Dorsey and Willis McGahee both finished in the top 6.
Only way it happens is if DR is not playing at full capacity, and Fitz steps into the vaccuum. A long shot, and one I definitely wouldn't want to have happen.
Denard and Fitz play for Michigan. The Michigan name is enough for the media to jump on the story and create a victory. Wisconsin, and most other teams not in the SEC, don't have that privilege.
Look at history. In 2004 Leihart won it and teammate Reggie Bush finished 5th. The next year when Bush won it, Leihart finished 3rd. So two years in a row they were able to win with split votes.
Fitz has plenty of upside and has separated himself on the roster, but he won't be listed in the top 3 of B1G running backs in 2012.
I would argue Fitz can easily be a top 3 B1G back next year? Why shouldn't he be, a Junior RB, seeing the bulk of the carries.. look for him to get more comfortable and confident and less designed QB runs to be called for Denard. He too will get comfortable in his 2nd year in the system and his rush yard will come from scrambles, as we have seen.
He can be a top 3 back, but it won't be easy by any means and depends greatly on who is coming back. Ball (Wisc, Jr), Coker (Iowa, So), Burkhead (Neb., Jr), Redd (PSU, So) are all ahead of Fitz and Denard at the moment.
I think Ball is gone and the rest are coming back. And Ball gets replaced by White (averaged 5.1 ypc this year, and 6.7 for 1052 yards in 2010). Then you have situations like Bell (MSU, So) who didn't start getting a lot of touches until later either, and averaged 5.5 (900 total and compared to Fitz' 5.8) and had 11 TDs (to Fitz' 8) and Houston (Ind, So) who averaged 5.3 ypc and didn't get more than 9 carries in their first 4 games.
There are a lot of good backs in the Big Ten, and Fitz can be a top 3 back. He could also be a top 7 back. Either way, there is no way to justify anyone, outside of Ball returning, to be easily a top 3 back in the Big Ten.
Point the first: anyone who talks about the Heisman before mid-October next fall should be shot. Coincidentally, suddenly college football journalism would improve infinitely.
Point the second: Denard is too well known nationally for anyone else on the team to win it.
nationally televised games before November next season. It will be possible for Fitz (or Denard of course) to play himself into the conversation fairly easily with this kind of exposure. so I kind of disagree.
What 4 games are you thinking before November? Bama, ND, MSU and Nebraska?
I think that discussing a lot of things early in the season is pointless, other than giving us something to do. I would like to hold the paid pundits feet to the flames in terms of their prognostications, of course.
Discussing NEXT year's Heisman before next season is just RE-diculous. Please stop.
they complement each other, that's why they both did pretty good this season
I really think that will be his biggest problem. Robinson is one of the most exciting and noticeable players in the NCAA. I don't know if he will be able to get out his shadow. That being said do you guys actually think that Fitz will stay till his Senior year. I mean he is already eligible for the Draft (RS Soph). I just have really strong doubts that he would stay that long as RBs have very few carrys in them. I feel like he would want to get as many carrys in the NFL as possible.
the losses on the OL will hurt his cause
I think our Oline will be actually be improved next year. We lose our All-American center Molk but we have a senior to step in to replace him. Huyge leaves and we'll have Mike Schofield to step in. The only thing we'll be lacking is depth.
If Fitz has a good year in 2012, he's gone to the NFL. He's already been here 3 years, and with the short shelf life of runningbacks, it's hard to see him stay 5 years in the Big 10.
Yeah but it hasn't been 3 years of 250 touches a year. He was redshirted first, and last year he didn't see the playing field due to freak injuries that aren't really RB related (his knee issue was only 3 games). I don't think it's a streak to see him around in 2013
But how many 5th-year senior tailbacks are out there? If he puts up two straight 1,000-yard seasons, that's a good college career right there. If he stays five years I'll be thrilled, but it would not surprise me if he didn't.
Fitz did arrive at Michigan as a VERY highly touted RB.
He was selected as the nation's 95th-best prospect by Tom Lemming; four-star prospect and the No. 8 all-purpose back nationally according to Rivals.com; selected as the 14th-best player in the state of Ohio and the 239th overall prospect nationally according to Rivals.com; rated the 28th-best player nationally by ESPN.com; listed as the No. 61 overall prospect in the Midwest by SuperPrep; listed as the No. 21 running back in the country according to Scouts, Inc. etc. etc.
He was the #28 running back for ESPN, not #28 overall.
You must play quarterback man. It's mandatory now.
Mark Ingram = Ancient History?
I doubt it.
We could have conceivably had two 1,500 rushers this year, so it's not out of the question for us to have one next year. If Fitz and Denard weren't in a transitional offense, that is if they had maintained their peak averages, run a consistant scheme throughout the season, and maintained 20+ carries per game, then Fitz would have had at least 80 more carries, and Denard would have had around 50+ more carries this year. It's concievable that playing with the additional carries (and featuring at all in 2 entire games) that Fitz could have achieved 489 additional yards and broken the 1500 mark. He averaged 5.8 for the season, 80 additional carries alone at 5.8 would make 464 yards. Denard was even closer to 1500 being just 337 yards shy. With just his average of 5.6 he would have averaged 280 yards out of 50 more touches.
If he is he or denard would have no shot at winning as they would take votes from eachother.
If Fitz can average 22.5 carries a game at 5.8 yards per carry, Brian will eat a lemon.
Fitz averaged 22.4 carries at 6.05 yards per carry for most of the B1G schedule (after the MSU game where he sat out) The only reason his season averages are less is because he was splitting carries with Shaw and Smith early in the year.
If Shoelace gets out-Heismaned on his own team...well, I'll have to see that to believe it.
This decade. Denard wins 1 year, Fitz the next. Of course, Denard won't be there when Fitz wins and Denard won't be taking ballet and Fotz won't be getting paid by an agent.
way too soon. Lets focus on the Sugar Bowl!
I look forward to three things in the next two years:
1. Fitz thrashing the Sparty D and V. Smith pointing his guns at Narduzzi
2. The Big Blue D stuffing and crushing Dee Hart
3. Brionte Dunn being lit up by( insert safety or linebacker) each time he touches the ball.
I now add a fourth.....Fitz raising the Heisman with Woodson and Desmond flanking him. Looks so good. Cannot wait until January 3rd.
Probably not, because I think the consensus is that Denard is the top player on the team. I do think Denard, with a good bowl game, could be a preseason candidate.
This is not going to happen, so many things need to go right for him namely; not get hurt. As we all know his first couple years were he was bit by the injury bug early and often, the last 6 games saw him nary a scratch doubtful it will happen again.
Just saw that we are playing App State again in 2014, thats gonna be sweet
Everybody listen to this dude--he graduated magna, bitches.
He still has Denard Robinson in the backfield with him. It's the Wilson-Ball effect, two heisman caliber players in the same backfield means no heisman winner.
We all know he has the talent to do it, but it's unlikely.
Reggie Bush? Matt Lienart?
"it's possible, it's possible."
MOAR Heisman winners!
In NCAA 12 after Denard graduated. Just saying.
Would need 150+ yards and 2-3 TDs against both Bama and ND plus a 200+ game against another non-conference to start getting enough buzz - in addition Denard would need to have an efficient but not outstanding season - 200 passing a game, 50 rushing a game. But more than likely if fitz is having that good of a season most likely Denard will also be lighting it up and they would split the votes and neither gets it
would be hard for fitz to win it. 1,We would half to go undefeated 2,he would half to outpeform SHOELACE and 3,He would half to have a MONSTER season. I would like to see him or SHOELACE win it.GO BLUE!!!
Yes, Shoelace and Touisannt are going to slice through the 2012 season. I have no doubts. I also urge you all to remember that the Heisman Trophy won’t be the goal. It’s not what it’s about at Michigan. This team will always play for the goals laid out by Bo, especially under Brady Hoke. BEAT OHIO STATE, win the B1G, and win a National Championship. I will also tell you however that Michigan certainly has a great history with the award with 3 mega talents winning it, playing within the confines of THE TEAM, THE TEAM, THE TEAM. When Michigan teams took the field in 1940, 1991, and 1997, they certainly weren’t thinking about the Heisman to start. Amazingly though, Michigan has won around 72% of its’ games All-Time. With a Heisman candidate in the locker room? It jumps to 79%. Outside of #98, #21, and #2, 21 total players have placed in the Top Ten Voting for the award, playing within the confines of the team. I love the comment about the first double Heisman, because the two are definitely going to feed off eachothers’ success, but the reality is that like Russell Wilson and Montee Ball, Gordon Bell and Rob Lytle (the last Michigan 1,000 yard duo) they may eliminate eachother while leading Michigan back to the BCS. Look for Shoelace to be in New York with another Spring and Fall to improve. Check out 98-21-2, the Heisman isn’t the goal, but it’s quite a story for the Wolverines. GO BLUE!
And oh by the way, Montee Ball is coming back to break in a new quarterback.... Probably going to rush for 2000 yards....