For this reason I shall drink beer way into the late night hour! Go Blue
to play football, not to play trumpet
For this reason I shall drink beer way into the late night hour! Go Blue
as good a reason as any to have another cold ale myself!
And +1 to you for using such sound reasoning.
Why are conference championships better than big ten tourny titles? I think they're both equal and I'd like to win both.
This is sarcasm, right? If it's not, holy hell how could you think those two things are equal.
For some small mid major, if you want to go to the dance, regular season championships won't do it. in the b1g, sustained excellence for a regular season championship probably does mean more.
regardless, now that one is locked up, time to get the next!
Agreed. The BTT championship is a bauble.
The conference title is the brass ring.
I agree - not at all close to equal. Heck, sometimes it is better in the long run (NCAA Tourney) to lose early in conf. tourney.
I'm in the opposite camp. Give me the regular season championship and focus on the NCAA tourney. The B1G tourney is an opportunity for teams to improve their resume, not figure out who the best team in the conference is. They just did that.
The tourney is really pointless... #1 Seed in the Big Dance Baby Baby!!
One takes two months of strong play and the other takes one weekend. I want to win both, but definitely don't think they're equal.
Because one is 2 moths of work while the other is 3/4 days of games that dont really mean much if you are already a lock like we are right now. Conference Tournaments only really matter for bubble teams like Nebraska and Minnesota (maybe maybe IU) trying to get 1 or 2 more good wins to their resume. Or for teams like NW, Penn State, Illinois who are completly out of it.
creating baby moths, eating wool sweaters... I no like
means real trouble. Don't mess with Mothra!
while the B1G Tourney is won in 3 or 4 games .
While the B1G tourney does have more of an "event" appeal, surely three or four days does not outweigh the regular season marathon. Further, a B1G champion has no worry about getting into the Big Dance*. Awarding the auto-bid to the tourney champ does give the tourney a certain appeal, as it can be reached by all participants. And I'm sure it helps the TV ratings. But I think smaller conferences do their regular season champs an injustice when a so-so team has a hot week/weekend and steals the bid from a more deserving team.
You can make the argument that it's not in the best interest of a top tier team to win their conference tournament (rest, injuries, etc.). That alone should tell you why a conference tournament means little compared to a regular season championship.
In the Big Ten there is more weight put on the Regular season championship.
IIRC the B1G refers to its regular season champion as the Big Ten Champion and the tournament champion as the Big Ten Tournament Champion. This is not the case in all conferences as I'm pretty sure the ACC winners are the ACC Regular Season Champion and ACC Champion. It's all in the wording
agrees with you in heart. Indiana should wine very year
In the big 10 the conference championship has always been more highly regarded. I don't think this is the case for all conferences though (especially small conferences where winning the tournament means you are going to the ncaa tournament)
This calls for some Havana Club. What a night and what a team.
1996 - Hockey National Champions
1997 - Football National Champions
1998 - Hockey National Champions, Basketball Big Ten Tournament Champions
You class of '98ers were spoiled
Yes we were!
I was in grad school for all of that and the second year of the Fab Five. Good times indeed.
It was pretty unreal four years...BUT it was also the post Fab Five era of suckitude coupled with the Cleaves incident, the cratering of the program from Traylor/Taylor/Bullock for more than a decade. So you get the GREAT and then you remember Conlan and Bullock never going to class, even having other people take their midterms for them and remember what Fisher/Ellerbee allowed in terems of student athletes. And then you just sigh and remember the subs and that they are crazy and you thank the stars for John Beliein.
I should re enroll
I will miss the first game vs the 8/9 team. Oh well, should be a win. The only team am I worried about is Wisconsin. Dont want to play them at all.
It's 2014, the Wolverine saw his shadow darkening the sky line of East Lansing, and declared we will have 12 months of uninterupted Maze and Blue Bliss. Conference AND tournament Championships are, like, ours. Move along now.
#RIP Tractor Traylor ... my favorite Michigan player ever. In 6th grade we had a field trip to the see the Indiana State Senate. We were told to wear something nice. I wore my XXXL Tractor Traylor jersey. No regrets.
Two good Tractor Traylor memories:
1) Exploding the backboard at Crisler into a thousand points of glass,
2) Hitting the last-second shot to beat Duke, at Cameron.
I love how he casually walks back through the rainfall of glass as opposed to running the hell away from it.
I was in row 9 or so of the student section for that game. I rushed home afterward and managed to record several sports reports on it (ESPN and a couple of Detroit stations). I think the rest of that videotape has the Arizona, St. Johns, and Duke games from that season -- I've been meaning to transfer it for years.
The piano music from the Fab Five 30 for 30...or the fact that he walks back under the shower of glass as it pours over his head like a beautiful rainfall.
That music gets me every time during the Fab Five special. Every stinking time I get misty eyed.
I know that era hurt us, but I fucking love those guys and those TEAMS. Just like I love this era. Just like I love '97 football.
Michigan means everything to me, but when we're winning...got'damn, there's nothing better. I could watch Michigan win at Solitare and get excited. I've always been that way. As a kid, I used to cry on Saturday's if we lost. As a teen it would ruin my weekend and force me to stay inside and not watch any sports for the rest of the weekend. Losses still sting, especially bad losses, but fortunately I've been able to find other things in life to ease it a little, lol. Also, the Rich Rod era of football actually helped because you just got use to losing.
But with Beilein's team and hopefully with Hoke starting this year. I'm starting to get that "teen" feeling again. And I'm not even mad at it...I'd rather be addicted to Michigan Athletics than other things in this world. It's fun winning, it's fun watching the guys achieve their goal, it's fun going on a roller coaster ride of emotion all game or all season and getting the "happy ending" like a championship or a Trey Burke 30' shot basically at the buzzer.
Michigan losing for me makes everything taste like eating dust and dirt.
I don't think that will ever change for me. I'm too damn old to think it will ever change.
The song is "Quiet" by This Will Destroy You.
Thank you, John Beilein!
because the Aneurysm of Leadership II should not be forgotten. A turning point enroute to a sweep of MSU (and OSU) and a Big Ten Regular Season title
Meh... I don't think there should be B10 tournament banners.
Agree. Don't want the rafters to get too cluttered. Need to make room for those Final Four banners.
Rather have a B1G Tournament Championship banner than the 66th best team in the nation banners aka the NIT ones.
Not saying they shouldn't hang NIT championship banners, but winning a conference tournament is a better accomplishment than an NIT.
Not caring about the big ten tournament is for teams that can't win it. Louisille won all 3 last year, Duke won all 3 in 2010, and Kansas won all 3 in 2008. Saying that it isn't important is the rallying cry for guys like Izzo who can't accept defeat by saying that they weren't trying to win anyways.
It's important, but not as important as the regular season. This has been hashed out a bit already, but the regular season is played out over 18 games and 2+ months whereas the tournament is 3-4 days.
I think you get a much better consensus of who is conference champion in those 18 games over 2 months than in a couple games over a couple days. If you're a mid-major looking to get into the dance, a bubble team, or completelty out of it then the autobid from the conference tournament championship is of course very, very appealing.
There are coaches like Roy Williams an Bob Knight back when he coached who have been on the record of saying they do not care about the conference tournament at all. I for one, am not like those two.
Roy Williams and bob Knight don't like it for the same reasons that coaches don't like the football conference championship games. They think it's too hard on the kids. Realistically if you're a top team and you win the conference tourny you shouldn't slip up the next week against a 15/16/7/8 seed unless you have underlaying issues.
"Realistically if you're a top team and you win the conference tourny you shouldn't slip up the next week against a 15/16/7/8 seed unless you have underlaying issues"
For all those teams you brought up that won all of their Tourny's, there are plenty that have won after only winning their reg season title. Im sure if you asked those players/fans/coaches how much that Tourny Banner (or lack of) really meant, there would be a lot of "meh" answers.
No one is saying it isn't important. People are just saying that it isn't as important as the big championship. Which it isn't.
I love the BTT more so to each his own I guess. Nothing says CBB like 30 tournaments going on on all television networks at the same time. This is a lot better than random bball games on Thursday nights in January.
Great season. Can't wait to see what they get done in the B10 tourney and March Madness.
I was there for it. Seems like so long ago. And the future seemed so bright at the time.
That was when the Big Ten title game was played on a Saturday and not 2 minutes before the Selection Sunday presentation.
Just to really blow your mind. These are the coaches that Brian Ellerbe beat that season by double digits: Tom Izzo, Jim Boeheim, Mike Krzyzewski and Bob Knight.
And then the following year, the program went to hell.
Michigan Basketball Hist >> B1G Tournament Hist
and the NCAA championship is won in 6 games and is not representative of the work from Nov-March.
Bit of a difference - everyone plays their hardest in the NCAAs, whereas lots of teams go at half-speed in their conference tourney and don't mind if they lose.
I miss those unis so much
w/o all of the garish, intern-designed clutter
Travis Conlan on the far right...blast from the past...
Seems like when this team has a lot of rest it comes out and dominates. I have no idea if a few extra B1G tourney games will tire the team out or not, but not winning the B1G tourney last year worked out pretty well for us.
Seeing photos and clips of Robert Traylor again brings back some pretty good memories of Michigan basketball as well, at least for me as I was there when he was playing. I believe in his time in Ann Arbor he shot pretty close to 60% and had a few games where I believe he was responsible for 30+ points. He was a fun player to watch indeed.
Last year we lost and the rest really helped us make a run. I won't be mad if we lose our first game shooting bad, get it out of our system. We won the season, that's all I care about.
John Beilein has any intention of spending as much energy as it might take to win the Conference Tournament. It means nothing, you can put way more into it than you'll ever get out of it, and I think last year to go only as far as they did helped them get some rest and prep time for the big dance. I know JB can't come out and say it, but it makes perfect sense to me. I don't think trying to get up one more seed (potentially) or even the possibility getting a lower seed (by not winning the CT) makes a bit of difference to him. JMO, but that's the way I'd approach it, and I think he does too.