"Fire this coach!": A Michigan Basketball tradition

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Michigan Daily
February 21, 1973-

According to Michigan Athletic Director Don Canham those South End Crisler Arena vocalists who have filled the air with shouts of "Orr must go" and variations on that theme, have done so in vain. Canham indicated to the Daily that Coach John Orr, much maligned for his cage squad's off again-on again performance will be on the bench leading the Wolverines next season.

"Orr will be back next season," Canham intoned. "I could not envision the season without him back."

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In the past few weeks Orr has been under a good deal of criticism. His squad was expected by many to capture the Big Ten crown. However, the Wolverines have faltered at points during the Big Ten season and presently hold a 6-4 record.

During the defeat filled weeks many students and fans expressed more than mild displeasure with Orr's performance as coach. 

The remainder of Johnny Orr's career-

Season Record B1G Place Postseason
1973-74 22-5 12-2 T-1st NCAA Elite Eight
1974-75 19-8 12-6 2nd NCAA Round of 32
1975-76 25-7 14-4 2nd NCAA National Runner-Up
1976-77 26-4 16-2 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1977-78 16-11 11-7 T-4th  
1978-79 15-12 8-12 6th  
1979-80 17-13 8-10 T-6th NIT Quarterfinals

 

Michigan Daily
January 27, 1989-

Fans fired up to see Frieder flee

Crisler Arena crowds have been telling Bill Frieder to throw his trademark towel in some other town.

These fans, who proudly carry "Fire Frieder" and "We hate Bobby Knight, but at least he can coach" signs, have expanded their vocal chords recently, booing Frieder at every occasion. Monday, the crowd jeered Frieder louder than archnemesis Bob Knight.

Some campus-area apartments now have "Fire Frieder" signs hanging in the windows.

 

People were losing their minds over a coach having these results recently-

Season Record B1G Place Postseason
1984-85 26-4 16-2 1st NCAA Round of 32
1985-86 28-5 14-4 1st NCAA Round of 32
1986-87 20-12 10-8 5th NCAA Round of 32
1987-88 26-8 13-5 2nd NCAA Sweet Sixteen

100-29 record the previous 4 years.

I know I wasn't around back then, and sure, the NCAA flameouts stand out. But fans back then didn't have to wait THAT much longer for a few long runs...

When people wanted Orr and Frieder gone, neither of them had any long run in the NCAA Tournament.

John Beilein already has a Final Four and two Elite Eights. And some people want him gone two years after them when the entire starting five on that Final Four team is playing in the NBA.

This is a case of two things.

1) People having the same expectations the Football program has and placing them on the shoulders of the Basketball program.

The Basketball program has a good history. 
The Football program is arguably the top program in the sport all-time.

2) Know who you are. What good coach would want to come here if we fired one of the most respected men in the game 2-3 years after runs to the Elite Eight and Final Four? There were a lot of people flapping their gums in that 500+ comment threads, and none of them had realistic replacement suggestions. 

This isn't Duke, Kansas or Kentucky. 

BigBlue02

February 8th, 2016 at 11:43 PM ^

Not as ridiculous as posing as a fan of one team so you can troll on their message board. But those two aren't the only reason for optimism. Since they are in high school, there really isn't too much to get excited about. Just pointing out these two have the exact skill set that everyone botches about this team not having and I have complete faith in Beilein getting the most out of them. I've also pointed to every center but one on the team having played less than two seasons of college basketball. So yes, I'm optimistic that when they have a whole two years in a college strength and conditioning program that they will be just fine, like Horford and Morgan before them who were both ranked higher than all of them. Also, I don't really give two fucks what a Michigan State fan thinks about the centers on Michigan's team. Head over to MSU boards and join in the Izzo love fest and stop cluttering up the board with Spartan blowing

pescadero

February 9th, 2016 at 11:15 AM ^

Just pointing out these two have the exact skill set that everyone botches about this team not having

 

Ummm... no.

 

The skill everyone bitches about the team not having is "hyper athletic shot blocking/rebounding big man".

 

We need Deniis Rodman/Ben Wallace/The Ratliff type.

 

I don't care if they can throw the ball in the ocean - but they need to jump like jackrabbits, run like the wind, and block shots and rebound all over the place.

BigBlue02

February 9th, 2016 at 12:30 PM ^

The only player that fits that description that was actually good since Webber is McGary. Everyone bitches about a post player that can play with post moves and someone who can rebound and guard the rim. Maybe our fanbase needs to readjust their expectations then. Beilein has proven he can win with regular old skilled big men, they just have to have more than a year on campus

Stringer Bell

February 8th, 2016 at 1:14 PM ^

We have exactly 2 top 100 wins this year.  Every other game against a top 100 team has been a double digit loss.  6 of their 7 conference wins have come against bottom feeders.  And we didn't look any better with Caris in the lineup.  This team clearly isn't as good as most people expected they'd be this year, and with our remaining schedule making the tournament is very much in doubt.  That shouldn't be accepted at a place like Michigan.

nerv

February 8th, 2016 at 5:33 PM ^

So who do you want to replace Beilein with? Who is this coach siting out there that can walk in here and sign all 4/5* players and lead us to the B1G championship every other year? Coaches of that caliber arent exactly a dime a dozen. An A list coach like that isn't leaving his program to come join Michigan. Realistically we'd be taking a huge, huge risk in replacing Beilein.

MichiganMan14

February 8th, 2016 at 5:41 PM ^

This is Michigan. People are chiming in with the Beilein is a good man comment. He is and great....but we're trying to also win at the highest level...so let's also get that done. We appear to be a program that had a 3 year run of prominence. Not sure when or if our prominence is coming back.

TheDirtyD

February 8th, 2016 at 2:43 PM ^

So you wanna be just barely better than State or way better than them every year?

Personally I would chose the latter. But whatever his teams aren't going to get much better over the next 4 years. I want atleast a Big Ten title contender every year. Right now this team is closer to Rutgers than Maryland, Iowa or State. 

Btw he went to A final four and A elite eight. 

AeonBlue

February 8th, 2016 at 1:13 PM ^

I'm not in the torch and pitchfork club either but I think some of the mutterings have a deal of merit. It seems like we know what we're going to get from these teams: 2-3 guys that can shoot a 3, one of whom that can penetrate inside, and absolutely zero post defense at all times (Jordan Morgan over-acheiving his senior season notwithstanding). I can understand how that can get kind of old.

As long as the football team is good I can deal with the basketball program averaging a 9-seed.

The Fugitive

February 8th, 2016 at 12:45 PM ^

Getting the boot as a 4 seed in the first round by Ohio in the 2012 Tounament wasn't ideal, I think we were B1G Champs that year.  

Also, I'm of the opinion that a Final Four supersedes an Elite Eight, so he has one of each.  Had he made the FF in 2014, you wouldn't say 2 Final Fours and 2 Elite Eights under JB.

JMO. 

I don't want him fired.  I'd like him to recruit athletic big people, not the concrete boot type.

Wolverine Devotee

February 8th, 2016 at 12:49 PM ^

That was the best worst lost ever if you think about it.

1) Trey Burke openly said if we had made the Sweet Sixteen that year, he likely would've left.

2) Illinois hired Ohio University's coach based one game, thus, destroying their program.

3) Caris LeVert decommitted from Ohio U because Groce took the Illinois job.

The Fugitive

February 8th, 2016 at 12:56 PM ^

Yea, maybe?  Then why didn't LeVert go to Illinois?  The what-if game is fun, but also pointless.

 

JB can do better, he's proven he can do very well at Michigan and his 2 best teams had athletic bigs to go with an NBA backcourt - Morgan and McGary.

 

olm_go_blue

February 8th, 2016 at 7:06 PM ^

I'm definitely of that opinion - you wouldn't say two sweet 16s, two EE, and 1 FF to describe 2 tourney runs, it would sound pretty ridiculous. The man brought us to 1 FF (or appearance in finals), and 1 EE.

Cue the "who is the guy, he has no points". Just decided to start posting sometimes, since I've been reading for years (well before I made this account).

Rabbit21

February 8th, 2016 at 12:44 PM ^

I agree that a realisitic replacement probably does not readily come to mind, but there are serious issues with this team that appear to be systematic more than anything and when combined with the recruiting misses of the past few years, there's good reason for worry.

For the record, I am a Beilein supporter and am wondering what a team next year with a Junior Donnal, Sophomore Wagner, and most importantly Senior Irvin and Watson looks like. If the death spiral continues, then I think serious questions need to be asked, but for now I think he's bought himself some time to try to fix whatever is the deal with this team.  

SAMgO

February 8th, 2016 at 12:49 PM ^

With Nike coming in you know they're going to at least want to explore what options would be considered realistic if a change is to be made. Michigan, with Harbaugh (yes he is relevant to the national perception of the athletic department, not just for football), has the opportunity to really think big and take a shot at a surprising splash hire. We are one of the most athletically resourceful schools in the country. Why not kick the tires with a Sean Miller or Gregg Marshall to see if there's interest? You don't have to fire JB to do that.

ypsituckyboy

February 8th, 2016 at 12:59 PM ^

I'm surprised that Bacari hasn't added more on the recruiting trail. He's a charismatic young guy with tons of energy and an outgoing personality. But he's yet to bring in one big-time recruit. Basically every big we've recruited has flopped outside of McGary and parts of Morgan's career. And Jeff Meyer, the old conservative guy, is the one who reeled in McGary.

ijohnb

February 8th, 2016 at 1:31 PM ^

reserved approach," do you mean not paying players?  I am asking seriously, because Beilein's recruiting failures do not seem to be for want of effort.  He has been out to a lot of guys.  What are you referring to with regard to his approach? 

Stringer Bell

February 8th, 2016 at 1:44 PM ^

Not offering players until they step on campus, being very selective in which elite prospects he goes after.  IIRC he was contacted by Jaylen Brown's family asking him to recruit Jaylen.  That shouldn't happen.  Jaylen was a top 5 recruit, Beilein should've been in on him from the get go.  But clearly he avoids even trying to recruit a lot of the elite prospects.  Then he completely dropped contact with Langford after Battle committed, then was left with his dick in his hand when Battle decommitted and Langford had already committed to MSU.

Raoul

February 8th, 2016 at 2:18 PM ^

Meyer may have been involved as well, but Alexander is given credit by multiple sources. Here's another from a Daily article:

A lot of the credit for McGary’s commitment should go to Michigan assistant coach Bacari Alexander, who Snow said did a “hell of a job” recruiting him. It also didn’t hurt that McGary’s AAU coach, Wayne Brumm, was a big advocate for Beilein and the Michigan program.

MGoUP

February 8th, 2016 at 12:45 PM ^

In the Fire Beilien camp yet, but I'm definitely in the "let's look elsewhere for some different assistants" camp.  Bacari is #1 on that list for me. 

SAMgO

February 8th, 2016 at 12:50 PM ^

Yes, we need to move in a different direction with Bacari. Outside of McGary it's just not working, and it'd be hard to really credit Bacari with a ton of Mitch's success here. He's a natural talent.

amir_6

February 8th, 2016 at 12:46 PM ^

All of this "Fire Beilein" bullshit is just being fueled by frustration. Getting blown out at home, two games in a row against your two biggest rivals is unacceptable. Considering all of that, I still think it would absurd to fire Coach Beilein, he has done so much for this program.

FauxMo

February 8th, 2016 at 12:47 PM ^

Coach B deserves more time; an NC game appearance and another Elite 8 have earned him that. This being said, if you aren't disappointed with the play of the last two years, or the fact that he wasn't able to turn those results into better recruiting, then you aren't paying attention... JMHO...

natesezgoblue

February 8th, 2016 at 12:48 PM ^

People expect certain positions to have a minimum level of talent at certain positions. We've had 2 decent bigs in Morgan and McGary since JB, both in E8 seasons. When you get drubbed at home by your instate rival and play awful defense that doesn't help either.



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Tuebor

February 8th, 2016 at 1:35 PM ^

But we are looking at 3 maybe 4 or 5 more losses down the stretch plus one more in the conference tournament.

Likely Losses: Purdue, Maryland, Iowa

Tossups: OSU, Wisconsin

Likely Wins: Minnesota, Northwestern.

 

The OSU and Wisconsin games are both dangerously approaching must-win level in order to make the tournament and say we split them we would still be looking at a 1-1 record in the B1G tournament at best.  A 21-12 record likely puts us in the tournament but I think we'd be in the first 4 given our 4-7 record in the last 9 games of the regular season plus the 2 conference tournament games.

funkywolve

February 8th, 2016 at 2:45 PM ^

can knock off I don't think their resume is that great.  They've fallen to 55th in the rpi rankings and are only 3-7 against teams in the Top 100.  One of those 3 wins is NC State who is ranked 94th, and will probably be outside of the Top 100 by the end of the year.  In the Kenpom rankings UM has fallen to 47th.

Comparing UM's record against rpi 100 teams to the teams ranked 1-50 in rpi, UM is at the lower end of wins and winning percentage in games against top 100 teams.

lilpenny1316

February 8th, 2016 at 3:13 PM ^

They will have zero bad losses.  That's one less than Sparty (Nebraska) and a lot of other teams.  And if Levert is back and looks to be healthy, the committee will remember this.  As long as Mark Hollis doesn't channel the ghost of Bert Smith and screw us over, we should be fine.