How about telling Borges to not have a right handed QB roll out to his left.
Fire Borges Snowflake Thread
and Funk. They will be selling used cars within 3 months.
Hire les fucking miles
LSU and Alabama...it isn't the play calling that's standing out.
Well I'm going to watch UFC. Not watching any other college games today. Don't care anymore. I honestly hoped Hoke would bring Michigan back to competing for conference titles each year, especially after that 11-2 first season, but it's looking like that simply is never going to happen again.
If Hoke switches o-coordinators there will probably be a transition year or two while the team learns the new offense and that means another couple years of struggles on offense. How old is Mattison? Will he still be coaching in a few years? Will we ever be competitive again?
Life is too short. I used to have head aches and mope big time after losses, esp to blah teams, but after watching the last few games, I've (mostly) pushed through to the other side: I want to watch teams that actually play 21st century football and/or have a ton of NFL talent. College football is a good game when done right.
I'm not letting world's-worst-manball ruin my Saturdays anymore. Now, I'm PO'd for an hour or two, take a deep breath, put my annoyance in a corner, then I'm on my way.
I hope UM turns it around (this season, or next, or next...) but I'm not going to be like a Hoke/Borges offense and slam my head again and again into a wall.
My thoughts exactly. Even then, at first, I may slam my head into the wall once or twice... but 27 times is a bit of a stretch as my wife would consider me insane. Would Al Borges? Probably not.
Hated a Michigan coach ever!!! Even during the rich rod years but Al I hope you can read this because I hate your fat fucking ass and I pray that you get fired and never fucking coach again you piece of shit!!!! Go fuck yourself because you have fucked us soooo many times this year.
And last year. I demand a senior Denard redo!
Hell, Denard bailed out Borges for the last few years. We are now seeing the Borges fail at full capacity.
This is without a doubt going into TWIS.
Don't forget Ohio State last year. That was horrendous. square peg meet round hole, again and again and again and again and again.
Sometimes I think Al is hung over when he calls games
and he has literally caused me to stop watching games at times, but is it really necessary to say he is a "useless human"?
At least I haven't seen some jackhole wish a heart attack on the dude like I saw last week.
I wish him good health and happiness. Wish he'd go ahead and resign, though.
He should enjoy his family and let us enjoy watching Michigan football again.
Yes, time to join the bandwagon and find a new OC. I've largely excepted Borges from blame because it is so difficult to call plays with a woeful OL. Against PSU, we were relying on what then seemed to be a very reliable FG kicker. Against MSU, it sort of made sense to try to beat them deep because that's where they seemed to be the most vulnerable. But Nebraska? This was a crappy defense and we couldn't even get the balls to our playmakers Gallon and Funchess enough to score more than 13 freakin' points. Neb was vulnerable to the short pass and was sure there for the taking the one drive we tried it. We all agree the OL challenges will continue next year so we need an OL who can scheme around that with quick passing. Borges had the chance to show us today he could do that and he failed. Verdict returned.
I've been on the #FireBorges bandwagon for a few weeks now (started with PSU). Its sad to say this, but I knew today's fiasco was coming. Everyone last week was saying MSU is better, blah blah... I knew Borges was going to lay an egg in this one - Hollywood couldn't write scripts this good (or bad for us).
BUT... Hoke/Brandon are not going to fire Borges before the end of the season. The earliest we will see him fired would be AFTER the Ohio game unfortunately. It just doesn't make sense at this point to add a major disruption like that. They may move play calling responsibilities or limit his role, but an ejection isn't happening until December.
They might pull the trigger before the bowl game so they can start interviewing and I think that is the most likely scenario. Get blown out by OSU, fire Borges on Monday, name interim play caller/OC, limp through the Bowl game and then announce the new OC after Jan 1st.
There really is no saving his job unless we magically become competent offensively and we beat OSU with an impressive offensive performance. There will be too much pressure on Brandon/Hoke to not do anything then. The pressure started building with PSU. It jump up quite a bit with MSU. And, now with the NEB game, the dam just broke.
Borges can try reigning it in, but I think the damage is done. I think Hoke knows it too. He had the headset on a few times in the 1st & 2nd quarter (before game management situations). Hoke has to replace Borges before spring or he'll be in serious danger of losing his job. Hell, he might be damn close now..,
Shake things up, what's the worst that could happen now? Get a head start on next year.
Yeah, performane wise its pretty much impossible to get any worse. I think waiting is more to keep the players engaged and maybe fight off them quitting on the season or transferring, etc... Not quite sure what it would do to recruiting as well. It might make a few tweeners lean another way. Hell then again keeping him onboard, might just do what I was hoping they could prevent by doing at the end of the season....
Really not sure why everyone is so slow to come around on this fire borges thing.
I didn't like the hire from day one and I wanted him gone after OSU last year. The play calling that game was the worst I had seen in a very long time, against our most hated rivals, of all teams.
Not only does Borges call plays our offense has proven they are not capable of executing time and time again, he calls them against a defense that has game planned to stop these things.
We cannot run the ball, Nebraska is in an 8 man front the majority of the game, and Borges runs the ball anyway. Our offensive line/running backs are not good at pass protection, Nebraska blitzes the majority of the game, and Borges calls long developing pass plays. It is like Borges is calling plays with no thought given to his team’s strengths and weaknesses or the defenses game plan at all.
I'm afraid if hoke is as stubborn as most head coaches he might not fire Borges. They've been together for so long he might not want to change him
The fire Borges meme is emotional and intellectually lazy. It's easy to tell ourselves our woes are the doings of one man, and it's simply a matter of replacing him. He came as a well respected coordinator, and still is.
The gaping hole in the interior of our offensive line has been discussed here endlessly. There simply aren't any upperclassmen we can go to. The futile running game, the sacks... it can all be traced back to trying to generate offense without a line. I'd also note players, at times, were put in positions to succeed today and did not.
Hoke won't panic. I don't expect or want him to. This was a rebuilding job to be done correctly for the long haul. His first recruiting class are sophomores and redshirt freshmen. Nowhere is this more evident than the offensive line. The team will be totally his in 2015, and at that point I'll draw conclusions about him and his staff. Not before.
Lets summarize where things stand after today, Wyoming, South Dakota State and Illinois had more rushing yards vs Nebraska then Michigan had total yards. Purdue, the team that hadn't scored a touchdown in weeks and may be the worst Big Ten team in 20+ years also had more yards vs Nebraska then Michigan did today.
But sure, lets keep blaming it on youth, because that meme isnt intellectually lazy at all. No other team in the country plays young lineman. Nebraska wasn't playing backup lineman at two or three different spots today yet still managed to run all over a good defense.
At some point you have to realize there is a fundamental problem with Michigan's offense. These players are now nine games into the year and have gotten worse, that is not the mark of good coaching. Teams with less talent and little experience still somehow manage to generate more then 200 yards of offense. Is it all Borges fault, no, firing him will not fix all Michigan's offensive problems but at some point changes need to be made and he is where you need to start.
To quote Kenny Powers, "A-mother-fucking-men"
Can we turn this comment into an auto-reply for any posting of Borges apologists, especially those blaming our woes on "youth"?
I get your arguments but he lost me after calling two straight runs from the I-form after the muffed punt.
What the hell are you smoking? Well respected coordinators don't bounce around after resigning for well documented failures. I understand it's not about panic. At the same time, it is about public perception and at a certain point, when the doner money stops coming in because Michigan sucks and something has to give, shit gets real. This is a business and has been for some time. As of now, Borges is the guy who will get the ax to save face. Is it right, I say hell yes but that is me. Some would disagree and that is fine. This is certain, the philosophy of hey we are going to do this, try and stop us, won't work this year and most likely won't work next year when losing our top two linemen.
Because UCLA started a true freshman, a true sophomore, and 2 redshirt sophomores on the line against Nebraska earlier this year, and put up 41 points and 210 rushing yards.
Just keep telling yourself Borges is blameless here though. I'm sure the difference between UCLA's young lineman and Michigan's, less than a year of experience on average, fully explains why they managed 210 rushing yards to Michigan's negative 21.
Let's hammer that one home again. EVERYONE but purdue managed over 200 rushing yards against Nebraska. Including fucking Wyoming, and Michigan had -21. Minnesota and South Dakota State broke 270!!! Michigan had negative twenty fucking one!
If you honestly think, that gigantic gap is due entirely to experience on the O-line, and has nothing to do with poor player development, poor play calling and design, and just generally a poor job by Borges and the rest of the offensive staff, you are watching a different game than me. Borges has proven himself a boneheaded playcaller before, see PSU this year, OSU last year, and he's not been able to develop players to make up for his lack of creativity and total predictability on offense. Hell, after a game one of the Nebraska defenders said they knew what plays Michigan was running when they lined up! That's not a good thing!
This defense of Borges has to stop. If he was putting together even a mediocre offense right now, or one that showed improvement from week to week then it would be a different story, and you could deal with the growing pains. This offense isn't growing though, it's been 9 games and they are arguably worse than when the season started! If the O-line hasn't improved even one little bit in 9 games, what makes you think it will get better in the offseason? Isn't a big part of improveing on the O-line getting game snaps? Well then why aren't they getting any better?
The fact is, Borges was a decent coordinator at some point, in the past. The game has passed him by, and it's time to find someone who actually knows what they are doing.
You are an idiot. Take your blinders off. We are as good as Akron. Is that necessary for properly rebuilding at a school like Michigan??? You WANT to believe this us part of the process. It's not. We are historically bad and have not progressed at all this year. I hate posts like this. Is this lazy enough for you? Borges IS the problem.
@TremendousUM: "@swmckewonOWH: Gregory: "They had tendencies. Whatever formation they came out in, we knew what they were going to throw at us." #Huskers"
Remember, Hoke liked the game plan and play calling. So did Nebraska.
Not only has play calling cost us games, but it's compounded things with the O-line, if Borges could adapt to situations possibly we have an offensive line that is starting to develop some chemistry and gaining confidence.
1) Get rid of Borges and see if we can find someone who knows what the fuck they are doing on offense.
2) Get rid of Hoke and start over.
Since #1 is a hell of a lot easier than #2 I suggest we start there. After today's game, I'm convinced most high school coaches have a better sense of offensive football than Al Borges does. He's like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football--he's convinced that THIS time, that power run up the middle is really going to work!
They are much better at adapting to their players than Borges. Wouldn't it be great to have the next Gus Malzahn?
Bo's fucking corpse could've called a better game than Al Borges today. Fuck anyone that thinks that jackass should have a job on this coaching staff next year.
I would rather have HR Pufnstuf with Teddy Ruxpin than have you in this booth one more week!
I'm dying because that is just flat out funny and true!!! Add some swear words and a little more hate then it would be TWIS worthy!
I just got back home from the game. Where is the "Borges is awesome and his play calling is WAY better than you think" thread? I know about 5 posters just dying to start that one up.
As loud in the stadium as there were on the tv?
Normally I hate home-town booing but today I was booing from my living room. Not at the kids. At the damn coaches. They DESERVED to be booed. That was absolutely pathetic.
Yes. And everyone was pointing at the press box so there was no doubt who they were directed at.
FYI, the marquee win against ND.... shot. They just lost to Pitt. ND will be 8-4 AT BEST at the end of the year. Although I guess that still may be a good thing considering I don't see M winning anything except for possibly beating Northwestern. I stress possibly. At least we won't be playing an SEC team this bowl season!
Count me in as a member of the Fire Borges Club. I was willing to give him a pass until this b.s. today. As another poster pointed out, the simple way to beat this defense, given M's craptacular o-line, was a quick passing game--short drops and passes to the flat with screens or crossing routes mixed in. When we tried that we scored a td. Great, but then what do we do? Back to running up the middle against a stacked box, and long developing routes which relied on our 200lb running back blocking a monster de--things our offense has proven it cannot do. And youth is NOT an excuse anymore for a line that god-awful after 9 games. And to say, again, "They didn't execute" is nonsense. You have to put your people in a position to succeed, not fail. And calling for long-developing routes, time and again, when you know the line can't block that long, and your rb can't block at all, is putting players in a position to fail. The final straw for me was the 2nd turnover--running twice in a row, when they haven't been able to run the ball all damn day. Fire him and start over.
Pathetic. I've never felt lower about Michigan football. I see no light at the end of the tunnel. We have fallen into a dark abyss. Our coach is a mentally challenged version of Fred Flintstone. We suck.
Can suck my balls. I've never seen an OC hAve success with certain plays and then stop calling these plays. Then keep calling plays that have not worked, aka running info 8 man fronts. Borges just quit you suck and refuse to adjust to the defensive tendencies.
This makes me wonder... could he be on the take?
I had a conversation with my wife after the game today. She asked how Michigan did. I laughed and she understood but still wanted to know how the game went. I jogged her memory of the -48 garbage game we turned off at halftime. She laughed. I only had to say -21 this time. She laughed before asking how much "the guy who says the plays" makes. I stated his $250,0000 plus incetives salary. Her reaction: "Why is he still employed? If I were to try an excercise over and over and over and it not work I would be fired. How is he different?" Yeah... my wife is a teacher. Consider me not laid. FUCK YOU BORGES.
Agree, and still kinda do, but what plays require zero blocking? If they exist, then we should rub those. I agree that Borges sucks, but unless he gets a chance with a new line coach, then firing might be unjust. I don't see us firing any coach mud season, so we are stuck with him at least one more year.
You can find an excuse for anything. Eyeball test tells me that a Borges firing is due very very soon
At least our team is so irrelevant right now that our failures don't make the front page of the sports sites. So . . . yay?
I love this thread. I was called out and the mods didn't seem to like my posts that ended with Fire Borges a few weeks ago so I put it in my signature instead and now look at this. I feel like if I were to meet mGrowOld right now that we would high five. Finally, everyone is seeing what we have been seeing.
Have been very supportive of Hoke and his staff throughout his tenure. In fact, before this year, I predicted 9-3 and was willing to give Funk and the offensive line a pass considering what they were working with inside. Neither of these things concerned me much. I would not say I was a diehard Borges supporter considering how much the OSU game infuriated me last season, but I definitely was a long way from calling for his job.
Today was the tipping point for me. I was sitting there watching the game with my girlfriend. Wouldn't say she's Vince Lombardi, but she at least knows the basics of the game. She sat there saying exactly what plays Michigan would run. This offense is completely predictable, does not play to its strengths, and perhaps the most frightening, has had virtually no growth whatsoever. If these linemen are just young and talented, they should have gotten at least a little better by now, right?
I realize teams get tape, etc., but the offensive regression has been pathetic. I thought we would lose to MSU a few weeks back, but I honestly thought we would beat Nebraska. Michigan gave away that game and the sad thing is that it isn't even the first game this year I have felt Michigan has given away. I mean, honestly, every year with Borges have had games where the offense can't even get out of its own way. Even in 2011, we had ND, MSU, Iowa, and VT where the offense looked terrible (at least for large segments). Elite teams may struggle here or there, but they don't drop off the face of the map for multiple games each season. I am struggling to find the growth this year. Honestly, the only offensive growth I can see is moving Funchess to wide receiver, but this move seems to have more to do with the lack of quality wide receivers than being made just to help Devin, which doesn't increase my confidence in Borges much.
People have been criticizing the fans for turning on Borges and the staff and that it could "set Michigan back a few years" or "hurt recruiting". Aren't you a little more concerned with the fact that Michigan fans are HOPING for 0 yards rushing than a possible change in the offensive staff? Teams change assistans all the time and it helps. Last year, Wiconsin changed their offensive line coach and the unit took off. Last year, MSU changed offensive coordinators and guess what, the offense looks much better. Can even the strongest Borges supporters argue that Michigan's offense is growing? The only thing you can say is that the offense is young. I agree, but youth should get better over time, not worse. Plus, this isn't just a few years bad, this is historically bad. No youth or inexperience arguments can explain the ineptitude of this offense. It's time for change.
Last week I started the fire borges thread....I took some heat from some,glad to see more arewith this, the longer borges is oc, the worse michigan will be long term.....