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January 21st, 2013 at 2:31 PM
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Finals Rivals 100

The finals rivals 100 has been posted

Players of interest

  • Green #8
  • Poggi #70
  • Morris #81, #4 QB, #2 in MI (behind elmer)
  • Kugler #82 (now listed as a guard)

Bosch and McCray drop, not surprising since they didn't play in all-star game

Ohio's guys

  • Mike Mitchell #26 new 5 star
  • jalin Marshall #35
  • Cam Burrows #39
  • Joey Bosa #47
  • Ezekiel Elliott #84
  • Eli Apple #89

Highest rated player in big ten is Hackenberg at #24, new five star

Some thoughts on the list as a whole

  • really surprised Treadwell moved up to number 5, he's still the only 5 star receiver and during the games I didn't see anything from him that he was far and away better than the other receivers (drop on Morris TD.. grrr), must have looked amazing during practice
  • Also surprised Isaac kept his 5th star, he looked real thin and almost lost during the UA game
  • Thought that if anyone deserved that new 5th star it'd be derrick henry (now listed at RB) I'm happy it was Lacy and not him we faced
  • Reuben Foster dropped out of the top 10, I'm a bit surprised.  He said in an interview that Georgia wants to use him in the Jarvis Jones role, and I'm not sure he;d succeed there, but that kid is gonna be a run stopping force in the middle for somebody.

 

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January 21st, 2013 at 2:36 PM | Hope our players will work harder during their time in AA (Score:5 Normal)
brooktrail
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Nothing is given, nothing  is granted. Work tails off and good things will happen.

We have seen 5* busts and 3* first rounder in the past.

January 21st, 2013 at 2:42 PM | See Colin Kaepernick... 3* - (Score:4 Normal)
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See Colin Kaepernick...

3* - Not in top 250 - Best offer was Nevada. He's in the Super Bowl.

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January 21st, 2013 at 3:05 PM | 6'4" 230 lbs. Studied for 5 (Score:3 Normal)
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6'4" 230 lbs. Studied for 5 years under Chris Ault, the pistol offense was basically perfected with him, broke all kinds of NCAA records, 5th qb drafted in the 2nd round.

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January 21st, 2013 at 2:41 PM | Here is the link to the top (Score:4 Normal)
ken725
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Here is the link to the top 100:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3053

Greetings from Bolivia.

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January 21st, 2013 at 2:39 PM | It's amusing that Shane (Score:5 Normal)
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It's amusing that Shane Morris dropped so much and then Hackenburg who was just as bad if not worse moved up.

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January 21st, 2013 at 2:41 PM | Morris struggled all year (Score:5 Normal)
AAB
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I know he had mono, but he wasn't particularly impressive during his senior season, during practices at the UA game, or at the game.  Other than him being a Michigan commit, I'm not sure what the argument is that his drop was unfair.  And being ranked 81 is obviously still really good.  

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January 21st, 2013 at 3:11 PM | I didn't read his comment as (Score:5 Normal)
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I didn't read his comment as a complaint about Morris' ranking being "unfair".  I read it more as a question about why Hackenberg saw his stock increase after a similarly poor showing at the UA game.

January 21st, 2013 at 3:15 PM | Except for Magnus, I think (Score:5 Normal)
elaydin
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Except for Magnus, I think everyone who watched Hackenberg during UA week and the game came away impressed.  He has moved up in all the post UA game updates.

January 21st, 2013 at 3:18 PM | I didn't watch any of the (Score:5 Normal)
MGoLogan
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I didn't watch any of the practices or read the practice reports so I wasn't trying to say Hackenberg played poorly.  I did read that all of the QB's were a combined 24-70 with 5 INT's and no TD's, so it is safe to say no QB played that well. 

January 21st, 2013 at 3:20 PM | I do admit it, for me, it (Score:5 Normal)
elaydin
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I do admit it, for me, it came down to who's incompletions looked better.  The wide receivers and the offenses as a whole left a lot to be desired.

January 21st, 2013 at 4:49 PM | What was impressive about (Score:2 Normal)
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What was impressive about Hackenberg during the UA game?  He showed a strong arm (as did Morris) and the ball went all over the place.  Aside from the interception, their UA games were pretty indistinguishable from each other.

I didn't watch practices, but you can't look at any QB's performance from the UA game and be impressed.  Those quarterbacks had games that were varying degrees of terrible.

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January 21st, 2013 at 5:05 PM | Morris had the INT, but I (Score:3 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
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Morris had the INT, but I also think he had the most impresive throw of the game.  He threw a beautiful, perfectly place pass (read NFL-like) to Treadwell in the endzone which Treadwell then dropped/had stripped before he could secure the catch.  That was about the closest thing to a TD that anybody had at that game.

January 21st, 2013 at 2:43 PM | Shane didn't show too (Score:2)
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Shane didn't show too much elusiveness either on that running play of his...

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January 21st, 2013 at 3:15 PM | We are still used to watching (Score:1)
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We are still used to watching Denard.

Tradition is something you cannot bottle. To hell with Ohio.

January 21st, 2013 at 2:48 PM | I think the fact that Shane (Score:1 Overrated)
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I think the fact that Shane Morris is still ranked as high as he is, is a testimate to how good he actually is. He had Mono most of his senior season and a pretty poor performance in the under armour game, or whatever it was. I think most knew he was going to drop his fifth start after his lackluster performance in the under armour game game but top 100 players, outside of the top 15 or so, end up all pretty much having the same success rate in college. Not to mention he's still a five star on scout.

Plus, is anyone really dissapointed in this class? I don't see how anyone could possibly be. Especially if we add Green I think this may be our best class ever, and maybe the highest ranked class ever.

OH-HOW-I-HATE OHIO STATE

January 21st, 2013 at 2:57 PM | Position Breakdown (Score:3 Normal)
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Shane Morris #2 QB

Jaron Dukes #53 WR

Casont'e York #67 WR

Jake Butt #5 TE

Khalid Hill #32 TE

Patrick Kugler #6 OT

Kyle Bosch #7 OT

Chris Fox #10 OT

Logan Tulley-Tillman #22 OT

David Dawson #6 OG

Dan Samuelson #31 OG

Henry Poggi #5 DT

Maurice Hurst Jr. #37 DT

Taco Charlton #9 WDE

Ben Gedeon #9 ILB

Mike McCray #9 OLB

Jourdan Lewis #13 CB

Ross Douglas #23 CB

Dymonte Thomas #10 S

Delano Hill #23 S

Channing Stribling #28 S

Wyatt Shallman #19 ATH

 

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January 21st, 2013 at 3:02 PM | these aren't updated, morris (Score:1 Overrated)
Bo Knows
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these aren't updated, morris is the number 4 qb now, others will change as well

January 21st, 2013 at 3:16 PM | My bad.  Damnit, I can't edit (Score:4 Normal)
ken725
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My bad.  Damnit, I can't edit it now either.

Greetings from Bolivia.

"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple."  - Gary Moeller

January 21st, 2013 at 2:58 PM | USC (Score:4 Normal)
StateSmells
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Has anyone ever had a top-end recruiting class as good as USCs according to Rivals?  They've got:

6 five stars

3 top ten

11 Rivals 100

All of those have to be a record or something. 

 

January 21st, 2013 at 3:06 PM | I thought a few years back (Score:3 Normal)
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I thought a few years back there was a team that got the one two and three players in the country? Might have been USC.

January 21st, 2013 at 4:04 PM | That's never happened in the (Score:3 Normal)
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That's never happened in the history of the Rivals 100, if that's what you're referring to. In 2007, they got the #1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 18, 24, 37, 44, and 49 prospects in the country (according to Scout), all of whom were five stars. Is that what you're thinking of? 

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January 21st, 2013 at 4:41 PM | Wow that's an amazing (Score:5 Normal)
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Wow that's an amazing class... that yielded so many championships.

Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.

January 21st, 2013 at 4:57 PM | Well they did only lose a (Score:5 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
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Well they did only lose a total of 3 games their freshmen and sophomore years and won two PAC-12 championships. Then USC went and Kiffen'd themselves.

January 21st, 2013 at 3:03 PM | And they had Max Redfield and (Score:2)
greenwood
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And they had Max Redfield and Eddie Vanderdoes committed at one point, both of whom are current rivals 5*. Heck, even the kid that Kiffen screwed over is just outside of the top 100.

January 21st, 2013 at 3:20 PM | I think there is a good (Score:3 Interesting)
ken725
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I think there is a good chance that Eddie Vanderdoes commits back to USC.  Take the following with a giant grain of salt: According to a thread on 247sports, USC offered his HS freshman sister a scholarship for basketball.

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January 21st, 2013 at 3:11 PM | Man, Rivals really likes (Score:3 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
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Man, Rivals really likes Green. Hopefully he lives up to the billing.

January 21st, 2013 at 3:21 PM | Scout really likes him (Score:4 Normal)
Indonacious
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Scout really likes him too...has him at #6 overall.

January 21st, 2013 at 3:19 PM | I beilieved Shane was (Score:3 Normal)
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I beilieved Shane was overrated from the get BUT I think If he RS and gardner gets a med RS he will ultimately be a good QB...
As far as green I've always loved him due to size speed and ability to run north and south.. Also he's not gonna shake defenders out of there shoes he will just run them over.. He's the guy at the end of the game who will gain 120 yards on the ground in a game and you will look up and say did he really have that many yards... Just my .02

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January 21st, 2013 at 9:33 PM | I agree (Score:1)
jdon
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he has never really looked amazing to me.  cannon arm but thats about it... 

That said, he should get two years before he plays and a lot can be learned in two years.  No one coming out has that arm so at least we have that going.  If we could just get a speed wideout...

jdon

 

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January 21st, 2013 at 3:37 PM | Two things (Score:1 Overrated)
Balrog_of_Morgoth
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There are two things I noticed.

1. Michigan's point total dropped from 2592 to 2577. That's hardly a significant change.

2. If Michigan lands Green on Saturday, Michigan will jump from #6 to #2 in the team rankings with 2801 points. (This is of course assuming the teams ahead of us don't get any commits between now and Saturday. If Notre Dame picks up Smythe, they would jump up to #1 with 2845, which would knock us down to #3.)

January 21st, 2013 at 3:47 PM | I think your math is (Score:3 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
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I think your math is incorrect. Remember they only rank the top 20, so when you add Green, you also need to subtract the points of a four star. I guess Green will only add like 60-100ish points.

January 21st, 2013 at 4:08 PM | ? (Score:1 Flamebait)
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I have no idea what you're trying to say. What do you mean they only rank the top 20? Why would I need to subtract points for adding Green? The new rankings are out and our point total is already adjusted, so I'm not sure why we would have to subtract any points if Green committed. And Green would add exactly 224 points according to the formula Rivals uses.

One thing I did not consider in my original post is that Rivals only updated their Top 100. Later this week, the Rivals250 list will be updated, which will likely change our point total again. So I will have to redo the arithmetic in a few days.

January 21st, 2013 at 4:18 PM | When doing the team rankings, (Score:5 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
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When doing the team rankings, the point total only reflects the top 20 commits. So if we add Green, we need to bump off the #20 recruit in our class, then recalculate. At this time, that looks like Stribling, and thus we bump off Stribling's 90 points while adding Green's 224. This Green will add 134 points to our total, and bring us to just behind Bama at #4.

January 21st, 2013 at 9:36 PM | Thanks. (Score:2)
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Ah, I did not know that. Thanks for clearing that up for me. So Green is worth 224 by himself, but our total points will only go up by 134 if he commits. That's still not too shabby.

I'm sorry about my previous post. I was legitimately confused as to what you were trying to say.

January 21st, 2013 at 4:22 PM |  He means they only count the (Score:2 Normal)
B1G_Fan
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 He means they only count the top 20 in any specific class towards the classes ranking. It's an attempt to combat teams like A&M who has like 35 recruits this class getting the number 1 ranking off of shear numbers.

January 21st, 2013 at 4:36 PM | Why did virtually all of our (Score:2 Interesting)
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Why did virtually all of our commits drop especially when they impressed at camps ala poggi?

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January 21st, 2013 at 4:43 PM | CONSPIRACY!! (Score:3 Insightful)
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CONSPIRACY!!

January 21st, 2013 at 4:51 PM | When you're near the top, (Score:2 Underrated)
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When you're near the top, there aren't many places to go except down.

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January 21st, 2013 at 4:58 PM | Most of the running backs (Score:0 Overrated)
January 21st, 2013 at 5:49 PM | UM ratings seem about right (Score:1)
YoOoBoMoLloRoHo
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We have a solid and deep class, but it's not surprising to have 0 in the top 50.

Shane has a lively arm and Dymonte is athletic and Kugler is technically sound, but our class lacks the "physical freaks" usually in the top 50. Green has the size and speed to be a freak.

With a smaller class and clear holes for playmakers, UM hopefully lands 3+ freaks for 2014.

 

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January 21st, 2013 at 6:17 PM | sucks for the kid who is (Score:1)
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sucks for the kid who is ranked 101

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January 21st, 2013 at 6:59 PM | I think that will be good for Shane's career (Score:2)
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as odd as that sounds. Given that probably 25-50%(?) of the stadium will know that Shane Morris is the 5* QB, they would be clamoring for him to beat DG from day 1 and when he has his first 2 INT game the people would chant "BUST! BUST!"

Dropping to #81 should maybe temper your average mgoreader's expectations and let Shane be Shane a bit more. Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm just remembering when everyone chanted for Mallett in the '07 Oregon game

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January 21st, 2013 at 10:00 PM | This class is not great but (Score:0 Overrated)
January 21st, 2013 at 11:28 PM | Stupid meme is stupid. How (Score:2)
FreddieMercuryHayes
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Stupid meme is stupid. How is this not a great class? Because we don't have a 4 star receiver?

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