odd camp...not sure what to pull from it shane mentioned every day as being the top if not close to the top performer, and not even on the list??
Peppers at 10, which seems low.
odd camp...not sure what to pull from it shane mentioned every day as being the top if not close to the top performer, and not even on the list??
He was mentioned as a top performer by recruiting sites, which get a lot of their money from Michigan fans. That's different than what the camp organizers thought, people who don't necessarily have a vested interest in keeping Michigan fans happy.
But isn't this camp sponsored by ESPN who is making a television show out of it? While I agree with your argument that recruiting sites have a vested interest in keeping an enormous fanbase interested, so does ESPN. If Morris had been ranked in the Top 11, I would have watched or set my DVR to ESPN's special on this camp. Now I have no interest in doing so.
I'm sure Shane will take the Heisman over the (so-called) Elite 11 anyday.
double post fail
Some people were ranting and raving about Morris but I guess the guys who ranked the actual event were seeing something very differently.
Yes and no. Dozens of big named recruiting people watched this. Most had Morris in the top 2, give or take. Sure Trent Dilfer is the one who "ranks" the event, but he apparently uses a very different set of criteria than pretty much everyone else.
a double post broken up like that...
Mother of God..
Yeah, I was about to comment on that too. That's pretty amazing; quite the anomaly...
would you say... Tremendous?
You obviously don't get enough MGoBlog.
I get plenty of MgoBlog.
Dilfer failed to lose a Super Bowl, so he definitely knows what he's talking about.
I'm sad for the kid, but he'll have a great senior season and then move in to S Quad to rule the World.
Everyone is well aware of the indisputable fact that West Quad is, in fact, the best quad...
I lived on first Michigan house before they created the rd suite.
4th Fl Rumsey
Neighbors with G-Mat and Stevie Brown. Carl Hagelin was down the hall. Had some interesting weekends...
We were cool back then. I'm sure it's even cooler now.
Saw you crack a joke very similar to this one on another thread (just the one I noticed mind you, I doubt it's the only one) with a positive response as well. No reason to stray from your bread and butter on this thread. Too bad the elite 11 doesn't go all year so we could all look forward to one of your Dilfer super bowl jokes on a daily basis. Shucks.
You missed his first thread where he went off on Dilfer being a douchebag etc. It got bad enough that someone asked him if Dilfer banged his girlfriend. I think people are giving him the upvotes for being more humorous and less RCMB in his Dilfer hate.
Also, Dilfer is definitely the worst SB winning QB ever. I'm pretty sure literally any QB in the NFL that year would've won the SB on the Ravens.
As far as his quarterbacking abilities go, my respect for Dilfer would probably fit in a teaspoon, and I actually think the jokes dude is cracking are humorous. I just missed his opening thread meltdown and apparent disdain for Dilfer, and thought he was dropping similar one liners on every Elite 11 thread. Makes sense now, insult Dilfer and his SB ring as you will my friend.
I guess Tom Luginbill and Scott Kennedy and Mike Farrell are more qualified to analyze football than Dilfer then, right?
Just because he played in the NFL doesn't mean he's a good coach and evaluator. Just because you coach high school football doesn't mean you are great at evaluating talent. And no, I don't read your blog so I literally have no idea what your thoughts are. You could be a guru for all I know. Not that I even disagree with you, but your point doesn't really say anything either way IMO.
They do, in fact, do this for a living. Just b/c they're not physical specimens that made it big in football doesn't mean their understanding of the game is any less. When they spend every day of their work week analyzing and talking football prospects, I think that qualifies them as experts.
Fuck Trent Dilfer
Screw those ESPN jagoffs...I'm starting a fund to bring Tom back home.
Who is mitch sherman? Looks like the kid that was always picked last and has a grudge against the good kids.
Nebraska alum and covered Huskers for several years after graduating. Best part of the story: Nebraska commit Johnny Stanton was at the top of the rankings for most of the weekend, and he left twice during the competition to go to his HS team's 7-on-7 practice. Stanton still made the Elite 11.
Yes, he's not a finished product like the other 17 year olds who haven't started their senior year in high schools yet. 'Not a finished product' is such an illogical justification.
Congratulations Shane Morris on a dominating offseason/camp season.
"There's some people you just can't reach".
Scouts see arm strength, technique, results, potential. It's possible when Shane threw that 47 yard TD he made the wrong read in which case the scouts would be impressed(great arm) but a coach would mark him down(poor read). I don't know if that's the case I'm just pointing out how scouts and coaches can see the same things two ways.
We heard good things and Shane has good motivation, win win.
Yeah Shane sort of plays with a Brett Favre philosophy something Dilfer just isn't talented enough to do.
But these are pretty sophisticated scouts. They don't seem like the "Wow, kid throw ball hard, make completion. He good" type. They can recognize a bad read/forced throw when they see one.
I agree to an extent. Something that stands out to me was day two the coaches were preaching quick check down and the scouts raved about Shane ignoring it and making great throws downfield. It could be that the days focus was coachabilty. Sure he made great throws but did he follow instructions? There is always 100 ways to look at things when coaching or judging. I tend to side with Trent because people are being unduly harsh on him. He can't coach talent because he isn't Manning, wtf is that? Like him or hate him the man knows the position. And people are questioning his character saying he's choosing this guy because he's going to Fresno and Trent went there. Well questioning someones character based on baseless accusations doesn't show much character.
It's like people think Trent is saying Shane isn't a good QB, he's saying he isn't the right QB for that particular camp. Big whoop, he's the right QB for Michigan and that's what's important.
I would imagine coachability was emphasized every day. Not just one day. And your check down is there if there's nothing downfield. I can't imagine why Shane would be punished for going for the big play....and succeeding. If it happens a couple times, it could be luck. But it happened the whole camp. Everybody but Dilfer thought Shane was one of the top guys there, if not the top guy. I'll take the majority opinion on this one as Shane was considered a top QB in the nation before this camp, during this camp and will most likely move up in ranking on all the sites besides maybe ESPN.
That's fine. But remember that majority your mentioning didn't see everything, the guys that made the selections did. And most of us here are forming opinions of a 5 day camp based on about 100 tweets. That's not much info for 5 days. I don't even agree with Trents choice, I just don't think people should be attacking a man that is out there trying to help some kids.
Most aren't attacking him or his character, but his evaluation abilities. I guess we shouldn't have criticized RR because he was just helping young men? Just because Dilfer was a pro QB doesn't mean he is a good coach or evaluator. Just as because he wasn't a HOF doesn't mean he can't be either. It's not like these scouts are watching from booths. They're in the stands and I don't think there's a huge crowd watching so they can probably hear quite a bit of what the staff is saying. And you can pretty much get the gist of the drill by watching the 20 or so QBs repeat the reps. The only part they don't see is the classroom portion IIRC. And I can't imagine that Shane is that bad at watching flim or paying attention that he could go from being one of the top QBs on the field to being out of the 11. And it's not like this is their first Elite 11 they're analyzing. They've covered it for a long time or talk to colleagues who have covered it.
I'm not trying to argue here but judging his evaluation or coaching based on what, scouts tweets? Which scouts tweets, cuz when the scout tweeted Shane wasn't a finished product so he wasn't one of the top 11 that scout was ridiculed and his opinion dismissed. It's easy to paint any picture you want if you only take the information that suits you.
For whatever reason they went another way. I think they probably messed up but to draw conclusions with only bits of info is silly.
That guy's opinion was dismissed because his reasoning was pathetic. "Not a finished product" is a factual description of every QB there. Either way, I'll trust the numerous scouts' take more seriously considering they were all in agreement that Shane had a great week. I understand what you're trying to say. But we have a variety of opinions from differing, unbiased sources. And a clear majority of them believe Shane had one of the best performances there. It's not like we're cominmg to this based on one throw. It was every day, throughout the day that these tweets stated the same thing. Shane was great and I'm encouraged by this performance.
It's a bad read if the 47 yard TD is because the WR out jumped two DBs in the endzone. If the 47 yard TD hit the WR in stride just as he broke away from his coverage, then it's a good read regardless if it wasn't the primary one. Unless the whole point of the play is to 'Dilfer' and check down...
That's like Neymar hitting a strike from outside the box through 3 defenders and you giving him shit cuz he should have passed to someone with a clearer shot, when the ball is in the net. If the Elite 11 is all filmroom and playbook and testing and reads and you get downgraded for throwing the ball only where your receiver can make a catch in double coverage and he scores, the sting from Morris' ranking eases considerably.
A 47 yard TD was the wrong read? What is the point of the game? You can try to confuse me all you want with Xs and Os and defensive schemes and blah, fact is obviously the guy he threw it to was open enough and he got the ball to him. Is that not the point of reading a defense? To get the ball to someone downfield? I'm sure there's a unusual circumstance or teaching moment where you could give him a hard time, but he did just throw a 47 yard TD, so there's that.
Not big into the recruiting scene, but hold on...Trent Dilfer runs a QB camp called Elite 11? Hahaha!! Trent Dilfer? What a joke.
Is still a great QB, just needs more refinement. Besides, I personally feel that Dilfer always have it out for the guys with more talent than he had. Most of the non elite 11 associated guys that were there ranked him at or near the top of their lists.
I predict as a result of this slap to the face, Shane breaks EVERY NCAA FBS record out there. 5 National Championships, 7 B10 rings, 19,000 yards passing, 2 1/2 Heismans, and he goes 12-0 vs ND, MSU, & Ohio........
...and gets elected president of the united states
same treatment Gunner Kiel got last year and if I'm not mistaken Barkley didn't make the "elite" 11 either.
SHANE IS NOT ELITE 11!!!!
In all seriousness though, how soon until Hoke pulls his scholarship?
Maybe they should pull Shane's scholarship and offer that Greenlee kid that Dilfer and co. have been raving about.
By the way, how many QB's participated? Shane isn't a top 11? C'mon
If you keep making better throws than I was capable of making, you will not be an Elite 11.
Any word that we have a shot at Greenlee? /s
There are no "I"s in team, but there are a shit ton in the MVP's name... Asiantii?
Shane will never be the "Trent Dilfer stay out of the way and don't screw up so we can win" type of QB. He's a gunslinger. I can't wait to see him tossing the ball for Michigan. He may be disappointed but in the end the Elite 11 means squat. We know what type of player we're getting. A TREMENDOUS one.
People keep saying Shane is a gunslinger but the only evidence is some secondhand report that he skipped over some checkdown reads. We have no idea what kind of quarterback he is. Also, Dilfer not including Shane in the top eleven is not evidence of his idiocy. Its evidence that the entire recruiting assessment and ranking system is very much subjective and arbitrary once you get into the top hundred or so guys. Personally, though, i'm glad Shane doesnt like checkdowns if thats even true, because ever since the checkdown offense of the lions with Joey Harrington and Charlie Batch, I get a little frustrated every time two passes in a row go for less than 5 yards.
you could drop Rice, DLS, St. Mary's, and CC anywhere in the country and they would have success
Good point. The catholic league and all their state championships is weak.
Well we'll all find out who's right in a couple of years. Not much too be said here.
Well said. Let's revisit this in a couple years and then we can remind Dilfer that he's clueless.
I'd love to hear what Shane has to say about this.
Matt Gutierrez & Clayton Richard were both Elite 11, and both never started a game or finished their football career for Michigan. The jury is still out on Devin Gardner. Ryan Mallett...well that is a different story.
Jeff Smoker, Drew Stanton, Keith Nichol, Joe Boisture, & Andrew Maxwell were all Elite 11 for Sparty and haven't affected MIchigan one bit yet.
Justin Zwick, Troy Smith, & Rob Schoenhoft were all Elite 11 for Ohio. Troy Smith hurt a little.
Matt LoVecchio, Zach Fraser, & Dayne Crist were all Elite 11 for Notre Dame, and they all ended up transferring.
Zac Wasserman, Anthony Morelli, Pat Devlin, & Robert Bolden were all Elite 11 for Penn State. 2 transferred, 1 probably will by the end of the summer, and the other is still planted in the turf courtesy of Alan Branch.
Harrison Beck was Elite 11 for Nebraska. Transferred.
Jake Christensen & John Wienke were Elite 11 for Iowa. One lost his job to Ricky Stanzi & the other never played.
Chad Henne was not Elite 11, and I would take him over any of the guys listed above. Hopefully, Shane Morris will turn out the same way.
It is an honor to be an Elite 11 QB, but in the end it actually does not matter. Hoke got his man in Shane Morris.
All anyone needs to know about this event is that Zeke Pike made it as one of the top 11 last year...yeah he couldn't make it past a semester at Auburn.
Am I the only one who read over the list 4 or 5 times thinking I had to have missed Shane's name somehow?
That's just mind-boggling that he's not on it.
If this means Shane has a chip on his shoulder come this fall and works his tail off, more than he ever did before, and carries this around for years to come, I'm completely ok with it.
I'd rather have any elite 11 qb over one of the top qb talents in the nation who also happens to be the best player recruiter Michigan has had for as long as I can remember.
Time to panic.
I am selling my Shane Morris #12 Michigan Jersey on craigslist if anyone is interested......$5
There's a used Shane Morris Michigan jersey on the market and he's yet to take a senior class of high school. Not to mention 5 bucks is a deal. Some lucky woman in the 15-35 demographic should applaud this news and take it off your hands (tell them its game worn by Shane in a Michigan game, it is his Michigan jersey after all).
Wins the golden shirt award and is ranked at the top for most of the five days, but is not picked as one of the Elite 11. Me to Trent Dilfer, Trent you sir are clueless. Congrats to all the players who participated in this years Elite 11. Good luck on your senior season.
I'm calling shenanigans on the elite eleven if that kid isn't in the top ten.
I'm not sure how the Elite 11 were picked but I'm sure Trent knows more about football than Tom Lemming, that Linguist guy from ESPN, or any of the Scout geeks that cover high school football.
I have heard this a few times on this thread and I have to say it is BS. If you need proof, just look at Wayne Gretzky. The best hockey player of all time and he couldn't coach to save his life. He was terrible at both coaching and evaluating talent. Just because someone does something very well doesn't mean they know what it takes to do it well.
I played in the CHL for 4 years and played hockey my whole life, but my ability to evaluate talent isn't that great. I often do mock drafts and watch to see how they fare years down the road and I have to admit...I stink at talent evaluation.
My point is simply, just because someone doesn't play the sport doesn't mean they can't be just as good at evaulating talent as someone who does. I look at Bob McKenzie in hockey. No one could convince me that the man has ever stepped on the ice and played hockey competitivly and yet I think he is one of the best talent evaluators in the game.
I don't think just because Trent Dilfer was an NFL QB (and not a very good one either) you should think his opinion on talent is better than anyone elses.
a$$ + clown