Filling Out the Class - Wednesday Edition

Submitted by alum96 on

Since Monday's edition (which had 3 commits added 24 hrs after Sunday's edition) we've had 2 more additions (McDoom, Hudson) and 1 departure (Weaver).  Apparently not many people want to wait until actual NSD to join the party.

Ace's front page McDoom story indicates the rumors about Dytarious Johnson not making it due to academics are accurate (so one last swirl of mumbling in the media once that becomes knowledge to the masses), and has firmed up that there will be 1 grayshirt.  Combined with Nate Johnson to ND (almost certain now), and Jordan Elliott to Texas (still time for him to flip to 4 more schools before NSD) this is the updated tote board with assumption of 30 scholarships and 31 total intake inclusive of the 1 grayshirt.

So 26 currently committed minus 4 (2 flips + 1 academics + 1 grayshirt) takes you down to 22.   Adding back 4 heavy leans it takes you back to 26 with room for up to 4 more to hit 30.

 

  No  
  Nate Johnson Notre Dame IDK
  Jordan Elliott Texas / UM
  Dytarious Johnson Academics
  A grayshirt Opens 1 spot
     
  Yes  
23 Donald Stewart Soon
24 Chase Allen Warm
25 Rashan Gary Shhhh
26 Quinn Nordin USC / UM
27    
28    
29    
30    
     
  Trusted Agents?  
1 Lavert Hill MSU / UM
2 Connor Murphy Left Coast v UM
     
3 Isaiah Simmons Clem / Neb / UM
4 Victor Viramontes Cal / Utah / UM / AZ
5 Nick Eubanks Bama / USC?
6 Jacob Mathis UF/ UM
     
7 Devin Asiasi Left Coast v UM
8 Boss Tagaloa Left Coast v UM
     
9 Jordan Fuller OSU
10 π Young Louisville
11 Jonathan Jones ND

 

Notes

  • With PSU's taking of a kicker I've moved Nordin into the class although I guess #Baxter
  • In the potential trusted agent group I'd tried to sort them in groups - at the top "more probable" (2), at the bottom "looks like not going to Michigan" (3)... Pie Young getting a bunch of Louisville lately so I assume he was told no room.  In the middle are the uncertain guys between #3 and #8.
  • Allen in theory could be replaced by another TE; going with Allen until something breaks otherwise.
  • If you think Elliott stays in the class you can slide him into one of those 4 slots at the bottom; with Webb calling him a "50/50 ...at best" I don't consider that a commit.
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alum96

January 27th, 2016 at 3:35 PM ^

I read Ace's comment as the grayshirt is a current commit who knew he'd be a grayshirt all along.  I could be reading between the lines wrong - i.e. it's not a current commit but a future commit who knew his only way on the team was a grayshirt all along.  I am going with the former theory not latter.

But either way that gives you 31 in the clas (30 scholarships + 1 gray) = 4 open spot.  You'd just take Nordin completely off this matrix if he is the grayshirt as this list is only scholarship players.

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alum96

January 27th, 2016 at 3:58 PM ^

Yes we discussed this in 1 of the diaries maybe 2 mo ago.  To cut costs you can go to WCCC that 1st semester before transferring over.  Also you need to find a school that takes the credits so you dont waste your money and apparently WCCC somehow has courses that transfer whereas a lot of CCs don't.

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BlueinOK

January 27th, 2016 at 3:58 PM ^

He wouldn't have to pay for anything. He would probably just show up for the spring semester and be on scholarship. It'd be like an EE. Plus I don't think he can be a walk on in the fall since he already took an offical visit to Michigan. He would have to come in the spring. 

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getsome

January 27th, 2016 at 5:26 PM ^

yeah this concept seems to confuse many but grayshirts dont have to enroll at all (anywhere) in the fall if they dont want - they can just show up for spring semester since theyre counted towards the following years scholarship count (ie sort of early enrollee for 2017).

grayshirts can attend m on their dime or a cc somewhere but they dont have to (and many dont since enrolling in classes begins ticking of eligiblity clock).

for whats its worth ive heard metellus has known all along he might be a grayshirt (though theyll certainly bump him into 2016 scholly if they end up having 1 - which makes sense bc i personallly think he has a chance to be pretty good strong safety)

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rob f

January 28th, 2016 at 1:30 AM ^

but the entire West Coast pipeline. Other than a couple kids out of the Pacific Northwest, we haven't recruited all that well out west for the last decade or so.  Prior to that, we had a pretty well-established supply line of kids from out west, including California.

 I'd love to see us immediately re-establish that pipeline while the memory is still fresh of what Jim Harbaugh did at Stanford and with the 49ers.

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Ghost of Hoke

January 27th, 2016 at 3:31 PM ^

If we can speculate on Dytarious not having the grades. I'm pretty sure we can say which kid is receiving the Grayshit. It has to be Metellus or Gil. 

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Space Coyote

January 27th, 2016 at 6:12 PM ^

Grayshirts can take official visits. Originally, the purpose of grayshirts was for academically at risk student/athletes. In theory, it allowed them to go part time to a community college, meet the NCAA/school minimums, and then transfer after a semester (with the assumption that they have now caught up to other incoming students), and then start their 5 years of eligibility to play 4 years. They retain the 5, assuming they never attended a school full time (if they attended full time, they only have 4 years to play 4). Simply put, it postpones the start of the studens eligibility count by a semester.

Blue shirts are something else entirely and are a relatively new thing and are really only there to skirt oversigning. Essentially, you come in as a walk-on and are allowed to play immediately that fall because you enroll right away. But again, you come in as a walk-on, so you don't count against the incoming class scholarship limit. Of course, once he's made the team, he can be given an athletic scholarship immediately (meaning he never has to pay for school) and can play immediately. The catch is that these players "can't be recruited". In general, that means no official visits, no in-home visits, and no letters of intent.

Here's a breakdown: http://reignoftroy.com/2015/01/24/football-recruiting-blueshirt/

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schreibee

January 27th, 2016 at 4:57 PM ^

"I'm 110% committed to Michigan, and I'll be announcing where I'm going on NSD" isn't enough? Rashan Gary can pull that crap, not a guy we never heard of until 3 weeks ago and have now replaced with superior comp McDoom! McDoom dammit! Johnson's Hudl looked great, but great enough for all that drama? When we got WR coming out of our ears?!

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True Blue Grit

January 27th, 2016 at 3:58 PM ^

I'd guess if Asiasi were to say yes, they'd take him vs. Allen.  Asiasi seems to be a better athlete and is ready to play immediately size-wise.  Otherwise, it will be Allen.  

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F-ckOhio

January 27th, 2016 at 4:09 PM ^

Dytarious Johnson is the grayshirt.   I swear I have read this some where, he needs a semester or two to fix some things, then he will join next year mid year and redshirt and be ready his second year.  Could be wrong, but that was my understanding.

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tim4landg

January 27th, 2016 at 4:36 PM ^

Have we seen any reactions from Asiasi and/or Tagaloa since their visit? It was this past weekend, right? Would really seal this class to reel them in.

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alum96

January 27th, 2016 at 6:58 PM ^

Reaction is both like UM but Boss doesn't really want to be that far from home.  Asiasi is more open to it.  They'd like to be package deal and unlike 90% of package deals they seem serious about it as they go on their officials together.

Sam thinks its UCLA v UM.  They might split (Asiasi to UM, Boss to UCLA) but if they want to be together @ UM you have to change Boss' mindset about the distance.  If UM was in the mountain time zone it sounds like UM would really be in the drivers seat or close to it for both.

 

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DMack

January 27th, 2016 at 4:41 PM ^

This is getting good folks. I love the way things are shaping up. Nordin should greyshirt because probably no way he will see action anyway why burn a year if you dont have to.

Hoping we keep Elliott and Johnson but  I want to see

1.Gary

2. Murphy

3. Asiasi

4. Hill or Fuller or both

5. Tagaloa or Elliott or both

7. Jones 

8. Anyone else they can fit in. 

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AC1997

January 27th, 2016 at 6:14 PM ^

I apologize in advance if I someone confirms me to be incorrect here.....but can we please get the class size situation straight?!?! The Big Ten rule is a max of 28 players. Period. The only way around that is grayshirt. It sounds like we have one grayshirt pending, so 29 is the expectation. You can't say 30 + grayshirt. My theory on why Webb and others went from 27 to 30 is that the number 30 was counting the one grayshirt and the grad transfer Raulerson (who isn't actually counting against recruiting limits). Furthermore, if they wanted more grayshirt people, wouldn't that be the offer they made to Swenson and/or Weaver? Instead they offered PWO...meaning they are full or don't want them at all. Finally, I suspect someone is going to reply that the B10 will waive the 28 rule and allow more back dated players if you can prove you have a scholarship for them. The issue there is that Michigan is way over the 85 limit right now so it wouldn't apply even if such an exception exists (which has never been done before that I know of). So the number I predict is 28-29.

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alum96

January 27th, 2016 at 7:02 PM ^

Brian did a front page story on it so I'd go through the archives to read it over.   It has to do with reclassifying the early entries to 2015 recruits due to us being way below 2015 limits mostly.

Raulerson has nothing to do with this class size. 

That said there is going to be an uncomfortable amount of attrition to get to 85 scholarships.  I counted 11 needed to get to a 27 player class, so a 31 player class is 4 more players gone.

So that means 15 need to leave and I believe only 4 have stated they are since this piece I wrote in late Dec

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/football-scholarships-s-w-27-player-class

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MGoStrength

January 28th, 2016 at 6:57 AM ^

I know Elliot was committed elsewhere, now and still is a UM commit, and we expect him to decommitt and commit to Texas.  OK, so here's my question, does anyone know how the coaches feel about him? 

 

It seems like the general consensus around here that we've given up on him, he's flaky, he's Chris Clark 2.0, etc.  I don't totally buy that and think we should treat every kid individually.  He's not Chris Clark even if they both have similar track records with committments.  Does anyone know if the coaches are still recruiting him and/or how they feel about him?  Is this a board consus that he's lost to UT or a coach consus? 

 

I know what Steve Lorenz said on the update the other day, but is there any more info than that?  He just seems like too good of a talent to let slip away, especially given the loss of Henry, and the extremely high demand for Gary.

 

Edit: He's decommitted

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SD Larry

January 27th, 2016 at 9:56 PM ^

Having a hard time keeping up, but always interesting.   Your summaries really help.  Don't ever think they are coming too often.   Quite a bit still to be determined.  

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