Filling Out the Class - Monday Edition
It's been 24 hours since the weekend edition, and going down the final crazy stretch might be close to time to putting one up daily. (Shouldn't need 1 tomorrow though as Wednesday seems to be next stretch of activity)
Since yesterday's guestimate - 3 new commits. Add those commits to guys most feel lean strongly blue (5 trusted agents) and you are at the 30 limit.
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Michael Dwumfour Elysee Mbem-Bosse Joshua Uche
Then we remove the 3 decommits and that opens the final 3 spots that we need to stuff a lot of people in. I consider Nate Johnson out of the class with the avalanche of Notre Dame ballz, while Sam labeled Elliott "50/50.... at best" this morning. Which doesn't make him a commit anymore to me - just someone we are going after and at best have a coin flip chance.
So that leaves this chart. I've added "potential trusted agents" at the bottom - of those Brian has deemed both Murphy and Nordin as a "surprise to shock" if not in final class. So that would leave 1 spot for everyone else. Hudson will let us know Wednesday if he is to be trusted.
Still foggy on Dytarious Johnson's inclusion in the class.
No | ||
Rashad Weaver | Temple | |
Nate Johnson | Notre Dame | |
Jordan Elliott | Texas / UM | |
Yes | ||
23 | Eddie McDoom | Soon |
24 | Donald Stewart | Soon |
25 | Chase Allen | Warm |
26 | Khaleke Hudson | Warm (PSU/UM) |
27 | Rashan Gary | Shhhh |
28 | ||
29 | ||
30 | ||
Trusted Agents? | ||
1 | Lavert Hill | MSU / UM |
2 | Connor Murphy | Left Coast v UM |
3 | Quinn Nordin | PSU / USC / UM |
4 | Jordan Fuller | OSU / ND / UM |
5 | Devin Asiasi | Left Coast v UM |
6 | Boss Tagaloa | Left Coast v UM |
7 | Victor Viramontes | Cal / Utah / UM |
8 | Isaiah Simmons | Clem / Neb / UM |
9 | Nick Eubanks? | ? |
10 | π Young | Would go UM |
11 | Jonathan Jones | ND |
January 25th, 2016 at 6:24 PM ^
i have got to believe alot of the rumors are coming as back-up plans for recruits harbaugh is not sure of.....my brain hurts....
January 25th, 2016 at 7:15 PM ^
recruits he is not sure will commit --- cover all bases....
January 25th, 2016 at 6:24 PM ^
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January 25th, 2016 at 6:32 PM ^
January 25th, 2016 at 6:38 PM ^
Yes I am assuming he is out but just have not heard a peep about him in ages. If you believe we get Hill, Murphy, Nordin then that fills things up and then you have Johnson's spot for everyone else.
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January 25th, 2016 at 7:01 PM ^
I would be sad to see him go. I was pretty pumped about him after the camp as he really seemed like a diamond in the rough. Perhaps he is still in and we just don't know either way.
Or maybe he is the mysterious greyshirt Brian and Ace keep talking about.
January 25th, 2016 at 8:24 PM ^
January 26th, 2016 at 10:18 AM ^
...or maybe I AM doing the logic game.
We have 24 commits. Based on the "dark web," one is unlikely to qualify. Two others, Elliott and N. Johnson, are admittedly shaky. That puts us at 21 firmly committed spots, leaving nine potentially vacant spots absent any surprise flip losses. Based on those spots, I think the board looks like so:
- RESERVED FOR GARY
- CB
- Non-Gary DT
- TE
- SLOT
- BPA
- BPA
- BPA
- BPA
Then you pool the players we remain in for. As you can see from the pool above, it's worth designating five of these guys as "takes no matter what" - the four BPA slots plus Gary. I think, based on announcement timing and a variety of other factors, that those guys are sorted as follows:
TAKES NO MATTER WHAT:
- Gary
- Hudson
- Asiasi
- Hill
- Fuller
Then you have the other dudes we're in on, in no particular order:
- Tagaloa
- Elliott
- Asiasi
- Tagaloa
- Murphy
- McDoom
- N. Johnson
- Stewart
- Allen
- Nordin
- Young
And the players with whom our position is mysterious:
- Eubanks
- Simmons
- Viramontes
- J. Jones
- Price, I guess
Next, you look at the order of committments. It's my theory that some commits have been told to announce sooner because they're takes, whereas others have been told to announce on signing day because earlier takes go first (Gary is an obvious exception). Once players hear this, they're either doing what they want ("no thanks, I'll announce when I want, coach") or playing along.
If I'm right (it happens occasionally), the following "rules" emerge:
1.) Hudson is announcing tomorrow. I think that means that Hudson one of the coaches' two BPAs. Hudson takes a spot.
2.) McDoom is rumored to be announcing tomorrow. If McDoom commits as expected, he takes the slot spot and Johnson gets in only as a BPA. Young's only chance becomes as a CB or BPA.
3.) Fuller announces next Monday. Fuller would fill a CB spot. If he commits elsewhere, we put the full court on Hill, who's probably a "must take" anyway. If Hill commits elsewhere, Young gets the spot as a CB. I think this is Young's best shot at being in the class.
4.) If Asiasi commits, I think we probably don't take Allen or Eubanks's commitments.
5.) I think we'll take both non-Gary DTs if we have room, although neither seems very likely.
6.) I think Murphy, Young, Nordin, and Stewart are takes only if there's room available. I think we lead for all and if there is room I think they'll commit.
January 25th, 2016 at 6:32 PM ^
For Eubanks it looks like Alabama or USC lead.
January 25th, 2016 at 6:37 PM ^
Ok. Haven't done any homework on him but saw somewhere he is getting an in home. Until someone gets on campus difficult to even really have them on the list - I guess I could put EJ Price in there too.
January 25th, 2016 at 6:43 PM ^
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January 25th, 2016 at 6:50 PM ^
I believe McKeon is an early enrollee
January 25th, 2016 at 6:51 PM ^
He's already enrolled and on campus, so yes he's safe.
January 25th, 2016 at 7:46 PM ^
Unless your coach is Les Miles!
January 25th, 2016 at 6:49 PM ^
January 25th, 2016 at 7:22 PM ^
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January 25th, 2016 at 8:30 PM ^
January 25th, 2016 at 6:50 PM ^
Hasn't there been discussion on this board re: 1 potential grayshirt from the satelitte camps in this class? I know Brian mentioned this in the piece for the Recruiting Board under Useful Stuff. Not sure if you factored that into the equation, but since it potentially opens up 1 very necessary spot that could get filled by an elite talent, thought to mention. Finishing with a healthy dose of D-Line and CBs would be nice for 2017.
January 25th, 2016 at 7:27 PM ^
Yeah there has been rumblings about it, nothing confirmed but, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the lesser ranked guys like Gil and Metelleus being given a strictly gray-shirt offer and it has been kept underwraps.
January 25th, 2016 at 7:07 PM ^
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January 25th, 2016 at 7:11 PM ^
Can someone remind me, what happened with Nate Johnson's commitment again? I liked his highlight reel.
January 25th, 2016 at 7:15 PM ^
He's committed but making his decision from a top 3 on NSD.
January 25th, 2016 at 7:19 PM ^
oh, ok. But every site says "he gone"
January 25th, 2016 at 7:14 PM ^
this is going to be an epic recruiting class, so excited to start reloading and not worrying about rebuilding.
Another thing, I don't care about RS'ing guys, if they can play then let them play which seems to be Harbaugh's MO. If a guy plays as a true frosh and leaves after his JR year well then that will just open up more room for new recruits who will be highly rated ones anyway.
Look at OSU for example, all the guys declaring for the NFL opened up all kinds of room, they don't seem to be concerned.
January 26th, 2016 at 1:23 PM ^
totally agree. this staff typically redshirts certain positions like OL and QB or certain situations like undersized players requiring addl weight before realistically contributing but most others will be thrown into competition and expected to contribute asap. if they can find a role and contribute and earned the reps, they belong.
then just need confidence (which seems like this staff has) in ability to reload and coach up another crop of talented newcomers and sculpt that 85 / 115 into another competitive terror. cycling players through the program quicker allows coaches to sign more kids (ie maybe another 30 prospects over 4-5 year period) thereby increasing odds of hitting the true home runs. and early reps for capable frosh help those guys acclimate and develop at quicker pace (more often than not). most of the top programs apply this practice (and unfortunately osu is and has been one of those top programs)
January 25th, 2016 at 7:19 PM ^
January 25th, 2016 at 7:24 PM ^
I think Dytarious Johnson is out and either Devin Gil or Josh Metelleus is getting a grayshirt, so there should be 5 spots open not three, at least at this juncture. But then again I see Quinn Nordin as a lock... it can either way with a lot of these guys. As far as who is going to fill those spots, that is really anyones guess because I could see both Lavert Hill and Jordan Fuller being takes. I would expect Allen to block Asiasi, which means Tagaloa is even less likely. But after that I'm drawing blanks!
January 25th, 2016 at 7:32 PM ^
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January 25th, 2016 at 7:41 PM ^
January 25th, 2016 at 11:49 PM ^
Edit: Update. Weaver, he gone.
January 25th, 2016 at 7:53 PM ^
Need Gary to complete this class and I think all will be well.
January 25th, 2016 at 7:59 PM ^
January 25th, 2016 at 8:01 PM ^
January 25th, 2016 at 8:13 PM ^
Correct me if I' missing something but if we already have 25 and seven are already enrolled that would bring us down to 18 at this point. It makes sense to greyshirt Nordin because we probably wont need him and he likely wont play at all nexy season.
This leaves room for at least 10 more:
Gary, Asiasi, Tagaloa, Hill, Stewart, McDoom, Hudson, Murphy, Jones, and Young =28.
If we lose Elliott, (which I pray we dont) and Johnson that still gives us 26 and then you could add Allen or who ever else you want but I think the guys listed are the ones I really want to see commit and we keep both Elliott and Johnson.
Any thoughts?
January 26th, 2016 at 12:56 AM ^
I think the attrition to the current roster would have to be immense to make room for this many scholarships. Right?
January 25th, 2016 at 8:17 PM ^
Is Nordin no longer considered a greyshirt option?
Seems like everyone is counting him in the class as a scholarship player from day one...
If he's still a possibility to greyshirt then I think it's easy...
- Elliott or Tagaloa
- Murphy or Asiasi
- Hill or Fuller
...miss out on both of any of the "or" lines and add Pie Young.
However, if Nordin is a scholarship player (which if he was, what is stopping him from announcing)...forget everything I just said. But why hasn't he announced? And does this mean Andrew David transfers?
SO MANY QUESTIONS!!!!
January 25th, 2016 at 8:42 PM ^
I thought Murphy was a D line prospect and Asiasi was a Tight-End? I think you take all of them as I just indicated and yes you should grey-shirt Nordin. If my calculations are right there's room.
I thought Asiasi was a beast in one of the all-star camps (behind only Nauta in my opinion) and he is physically ready to play college ball. I think you take him first and if we miss on him then Allen.
January 25th, 2016 at 9:29 PM ^
I was oversimplifying it because it seems like Boss and Devin are a packaged deal anyway.
But you are correct on the TE. I just don't see us taking Boss, Devin and Connor and leaving Fuller/Hill out of the mix. So I wanted to give a spot to DB.
January 25th, 2016 at 8:46 PM ^
January 25th, 2016 at 8:55 PM ^
servers are going to fry on NSD. OH DEAR GOD
January 26th, 2016 at 2:15 AM ^
They barely made it through yesterday.
January 26th, 2016 at 9:52 AM ^
Correct me if I' missing something but if we already have 25 and seven are already enrolled that would bring us down to 18 at this point. It makes sense to greyshirt Nordin because we probably wont need him and he likely wont play at all nexy season.
This leaves room for at least 10 more:
Gary, Asiasi, Tagaloa, Hill, Stewart, McDoom, Hudson, Murphy, Jones, and Young =28.
If we lose Elliott, (which I pray we dont) and Johnson that still gives us 26 and then you could add Allen or who ever else you want but I think the guys listed are the ones I really want to see commit and we keep both Elliott and Johnson.
Since the original post, Rashad decommitted so there is another spot
Any thoughts anyone???
Please clarify
January 26th, 2016 at 10:11 AM ^
lots of kids with few spots. any more going. noticed a lot of 5th year still have not decommitted?