Fascinating (and long) read on corruption at Auburn
Move over, GVSU! There is a new sheriff in Division II: WAR EAGLE!
PS - this was posted here already a few days ago. It's amazing.
do people still use sparknotes?
Thanks for posting this - while we wait for the story to unfold, it has a sick sweet smell of corruption. It has all of the little stupid mistakes and dumb errors which sprinkle through real life.
When something bad goes down, often there is a strong push to blame everything on one person - make that person the scapegoat and claim he/she is the source of all evil. The nice part of such an act is that once that person is gone, it seems to clear everyone else left behind. In truth, corruption usually takes a whole environment to help foster and promote it. Behind every coach or booster who has been exiled, fired or banned, there is a whole network of handlers, 'helpers' and others.
Very well put. Anyone ever see this kind of thing in their workplace? As soon as the single evil doer is identified, everyone moves in that direction and wipes their brow that it wasn't them.
This goes way beyond Cam. They say the FBI, while monitoring the Bingo mess in Montgomery and also investigating the misappropriation of TARP funds by Colonial Bank, uncovered many, many things. Such things include guaranteed winning slot machines for AU players at Milt’s (Colonial Board member, AU Booster) Casino, unmarked ATM cards issued to AU players from Colonial Bank (Bobby Lowder-AU Board Member and Booster; Pat Dye-Colonial Board member, AU employee and Booster), forgiven loans to families, friends, donors, etc.
If true, big time jail time, loss of SACS accreditation which means expulsion from the SEC, huge financial implications for AU, removal of Dye’s name from the field and so on.
I never imagined it could be this bad. The fun part will be watching this spread. Does anyone think that only Auburn is involved in this stuff?
i always imagined it could be this bad
Glenn Beck thinks that guy is a conspiracy theorist.
the Bama job. Sounds like the state of Alabama is becoming a huge flushing toilet.
all of this. Maybe the SEC is not really the "best" football conference. If they all played on a level playing field, the Big Ten might just kick their asses to the curb.
I bet the Freep is wishing they were in on this story.
They only want in if they can pin something on RR...
Wonder if Kris Frost has read this... hey TomVH *wink wink*
He is probably walking to the bank with it.
...but is there a short version?
If 25% of this is true Auburn is f'ed. If 100% is true Auburn is really really f'ed.
f'ed as in worse than USC.
really really f'ed as a new example of the death penalty, The 11 team SEC, and AU no longer being able to function as an academic institution (they were already on probation from their accreditor).
Also if it is all true, then you are looking at more than the NCAA. So many fellonies committed. For example, according to this posting, the Cam money was laundered across state lines which is never a good thing (money laundering is bad, k).
This is a much more serious that USC. It goes much much deeper than Cam Newton or his eligibility.
via Bama fan. It mostly concerns only the proximate Cam-gate features, as seen from an apparent Fed enforcement (non-FBI?) insider (and rival fan base) point-of-view:
My opinion.... the way Camgate went down Reply
No insider....just a lot of time spent working on Federal Fraud cases
- Miss St talks with Cecil Newton and reports to the SEC office. Cecil keeps shopping Cam.
- SEC talks to the Barn/Compliance Office...they look into it and say there is nothing to it. Dont think for one second the higher ups at the barn dont know how things are done....thats why Chizk was hired to start with! (keep it down home cuz) (AU Family). *Cam and others flock to the barn and you have your top 5 recruiting class after losing 5 of 6 and going 7-5 with a no name coach.
- SEC office takes their answer at face value hoping this thing just goes away after the Barn is 7-4/6-5 this year. Problem is the barn kept winning and as Brando would say on CBS threw a fly in the ointment of the BCS.
- Miss St is pissed but knows they did what they were suppose to do as a SEC member. (Slive screwing with them about the cowbells didnt help the way Miss St felt either)
- FBI is working on a much bigger case into political gambling scheme and through all the phone calls gets all this information about how corrupt the Barn really is. (this is why the FBI is involved) They are/were building a Federal RICO case on the gambling/Colonial Bank and in the process got tons of wiretap phone calls of the arrogant idiots at the Barn (McGregor, Dye, Trooper and God knows who else) talking about buying numerous players....and how they were doing it. (notice I said Players not one Player)
- FBI contacts NCAA and ask do they know what the hell is going on at the Barn?! (this is why the FBI is involved) they were in on it first...not the NCAA. **The FBI got this info as a bonus during their investigation (it fell in their lap and they passed the info along to the NCAA). This is why this case is moving so fast as opposed to the Reggie Bush case. They giftwrapped this case for the NCAA! This is also why both agencies wanted to talk to Bond, Rogers and company to match up the stories with the wiretap phone calls.
- NCAA thinks the mighty SEC office and Slive have put this to bed and nothing was going on. (this is why Slive and SEC office look like idiots and are taking the wait and see...they did not have good info...let everything play out stance) They sat on it and did nothing! Slive and the SEC office is trying to figure a way to save face and its not gonna happen.
- The barn idiots on the wiretap phone calls decided before the Ga game that they were DONE....the gig was up..... and as one insider has stated....they might as well go down in a blaze of glory....SEC/BCS.
* It boils down to this....the barn went into a panic mode and saw what was coming for the next decade with Saban.... after we go 12-2 with a couple of #1 recruiting classes, then have the perfect season 14-0, Heisman, Butkus, Rose Bowl/BCS. The old guard at the barn could not bare that and sold out at all cost!!!!!
****I will tell you that I work with the FEDS all the time on cases and will say that....they have all their ducks in a row before going after people!! They are not into losing court cases. The US Attorneys office will not take the cases unless it is a slam dunk! They have the goods on the barn already. Hammer time for the NCAA on the Barn!
It is gonna be fun to watch the rats at the Barn turn on each other to save their own asses and to watch the SEC office do the same!
More will come out this week but.....after we beat the barn next Friday the floodgates will open and the rats will start running for cover!
Sit back and enjoy!!!!
In a nutshell: If it's true...hell if it's only 10% true, Auburn will make USC look like Jay walking.
And the NCAA went afte us for Practicing too much??? PLEEEEAAAAASSSEEEE!!!
Where is section 1 to preach on how unfairly the freep treats Michigan compared to Auburn and their local newspaper?
You just did it for him!
he's been snapped at enough to keep shares of his thoughts on the subject to very economical levels.
OTOH, did anyone catch the link in the above-linked story to The Tuskegee News? Their masthead motto is "Tis [sic.] Better To Light a Candle Than To Curse The Darkness;" I get the idea that this is a crusading newspaper, but probably rather small. The gambling scandal includes people in elective office. The owner/operator's opinion piece linked above ends:
Corruption, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I know each one when I see it. Hope you do, too. Election day is almost here.
I saw "Cam's uncle in Michigan" and nearly shit my pants. Whew
Yikes. Those are rediculous accusations. If those end up being true, my God, we have our next Death Penalty on deck.
They better hope they go all the way this year, because they might not have something nice to enjoy for a long time.
title of my my post back in August, here it is:
To me, you can divide them into two groups, the perennial successful programs like Alabama that constantly cheat and get caught but continue to prosper, and the flash-in-the-pan that have temporary success (Arizona St) or usually suck (Illinois) even when cheating.
My nominations for the all-time "powers" that cheat:
Alabama, Oklahoma, FSU, Miami, Auburn....all been at it a long time.
Then there's the successful programs that excel but do it the right way...we all know who we are.
Who do you think are college football's dirtiest programs?
Answer: Any program in the SEC or ACC.
Edit: Maybe you can exclude Vandy, Duke, and Wake Forest... that or they're really not good at the whole cheating thing.
I doubt Paul Johnson runs a dirty program. GaTech is probably clean.
Can Boston College, NC State or Maryland be added to that list.
I can't speak for the boosters (controlling them is difficult at best), but I would bet that Mark Richt tries to run a clean program...which means he's screwed in the SEC...
It's insane how much money is involved with collegiate sports. These clowns in Alabama (and all other big-time schools) make tons of cash off of wining and dining clients at football games. Deals are closed because Bubba got Jed drunk and fucked the weekend Auburn beat LSU. It amazes me that people like the boosters in this case can sleep at night, knowing how dirty they are.
Auburn is in deep, deep trouble here, and if these allegations pan out (which I'm certain they will since the FREAKIN' FBI is involved!), it's lights out. A full athletic death penalty is a real possibility here. Hell, the whole institution may go down in flames.
Dad likes his Taco Bell!
If what is alleged at tigerdroppings.com is true, then this would arguably be the biggest off-the-field story in NCAA history. Some of the most loaded statements/accusations are:
- Auburn boosters (and members of their Board of Trustees) have engaged in a massive pay-to-play scheme for years that has involved many players on the Auburn football team.
- The Auburn Board of Trustees is incredibly corrupt and its members are engaged in large scale criminal conduct.
- Auburn players were given cards that allowed them to win at slot machines at a casino owned by an Auburn Trustee.
- Mike Slive, SEC commissioner, is a subject of FBI investigation.
- As a result of this criminal and widespread corruption, Auburn will be kicked out of SACS and the SEC.
This is some serious stuff. So it's fair to look at the sources. The problem is, they aren't really credible. blueTunaTiger, an LSU fan, heavily relies on Alabama fan sites and message boards for the more damning accusations. So this is being fueled by the message boards of two of Auburn's rivals...
I do give the creator of the linked thread credit for compiling all of this and it does make a fascinating read, but I'm very hesitant to believe any of it because there's nothing in the way of direct proof for the major accusations and the sources are biased. I'm not saying that what's written is false. On the contrary, most of it sounds rather plausible and sensible, considering that it explains why the FBI is investigating these people over something that seemed rather trivial from MSM coverage (a failed pay-to-play scheme isn't really worth their time; massive corruption at a public institution is). But I'm very hesitant to believe such loaded statements as Slive being in the FBI's crosshairs or that Auburn will be kicked out of the SEC.
To conclude, here's how the author prefaced the thread:
The only real question is how and why is the FBI involved?
21-year-old Cam Newton will go into the NFL draft after this season, and eventually the NCAA will take some action with regard to the apparent Mississippi State scandal, most likely declaring Cam Newton ineligible, thus vacating Auburn's 2010 season.
Other than that, an FBI investigation in and of itself doesn't mean a whole lot, because (as far as I know) we don't know anything about what they are interested in. They could easily just be involved as a courtesy to the NCAA as they look for evidence of money or business going across state lines from Auburn boosters to Cecil Newton's enterprises.
The idea that allegations of massive corruption far beyond a wink-wink with Cecil Newton explain the FBI's presence, however, is just wishful thinking. It is not difficult to make bullshit sound plausible and authoritative when you know who's who.
I think the FBIs involvement is a clear signal that there could be (or probably is) massive corruption. I don't think they get involved unless there is a big corruption / racketeering case to be won (obviously unless it involve nat'l security).
That said, there's no guarantee that Auburn is involved. For all we know, the FBI was investigating something that a bunch of Mississippi State boosters were doing or something that some Auburn boosters were doing unrelated to Auburn athletics. Or anything really.
Auburn could be a cesspool of academic and athletic corruption. Or it could be even worse than the average SEC school*. We have no way of knowing which is true.
*I couldn't resist taking a dig there, but the point stands.
Newton's father owned a small trucking company with two drivers. After Newton signed they were flushed with so many contracts that a dozen drivers were hired.
Nice way to launder money along with breaking interstate commerce and wire/mail fraud laws.
I've written so much sql code over the years I've forgotten words like this.
select * from obvious where Auburn="Dirty" and FBI="Uh Oh"
is apparently investigating mis-appropriation of TARP funds by Lowder's Colonial Bank as well as bribery of politicians overseeing gambling in Alabama by figures whose ties are both to gambling and to that bank, and incidently to AU athletics.
This has to be as bad as what happened at SMU. Death Penalty 2.0!
above, if any of this is true auburn is screwed... but how hard will the NCAA come down on them??? the NCAA has pretty much said they will not go the death penalty route again and i can't see them doing that to a big name school like auburn... but since the FBI is involved, and we all know how that goes, the NCAAs hand might be forced...
Auburn coaches and boosters that were around when Auburn got probation the first go round, are again involved heavily with the current football operations.
Boosters have used an elaborate scheme of paying players and/or family through casino winnings and/or ATM cards linked to a banks slush account. The bank and casino were/are run by Auburn boosters. Former coach and boosters were also important figures at this bank.
The bank is no longer in operation, but the CEO of that bank is now in charge of finance at auburn.
The FBI is really involved because the Casino has also had some improper dealings with corrupt politicians in Alabama, some of which have already been indicted.
The FBI's wire taps were really for the Casino and politicans stuff, but they discovered all the Auburn stuff as colatteral damage.
The former coaching staffs were not deaf to the situations, but the boosters were not able to control them well enough, and thus, a 5-16 coach at Iowa State with former ties to the universties under-the-table workings was hired to become the boosters new puppet.
NCAA and SEC front office may have been asked to be quite by the FBI, and that may be the delay in all the rulings on Cam Newton. FBI wants to bust Casino people and didnt want Cam Newton affecting their work while they compiled their evidence.
This may run on for quite some time, but when the dust settles, Auburn will most likely at least have to vacate any wins and titles acquired this year. That is probably the best Auburn could hope for at this point
I had really believed there would never be another Death Penalty. Now, I think Auburn is toast. I could see wins from multiple years vacated.
The level headed and fair Michael Rosenberg will now weigh in on this topic: "What I find remarkable is that, if all of this is true, the under-the-table payments are what would upset people the most. I mean, yes, it is against NCAA rules. But in any other segment of society, if a college kid found a way to use his talents to bring in money to support his father's church, he would be a hero. There would be glowing newspaper profiles and probably a few humanitarian awards. If a kid does it in college football, he's a villain."
Odd how Newton's problems are trivialized...and he can't even remember how many players he interviewed for his Rod-jihad were currently on the team. If this was a UofM player who stole a laptop would it be "win at all costs"?
I hate when people write as if churches are paragons of virtue, they can be and are some of the most corrupt places in America, cloaked in self-righteous hypocrisy, run by very corruptable people. If you set up a church, it doesn't mean you ain't greedy, go ask Mr. Newton
I think that's true about most organizations; you only hear about the bad ones, because the good ones are quietly being excellent.
Corruption, sin, and evil exist in every segment of society and its institutions, including religious ones. Just read the Bible and listen to the scorn Jesus had for the corruption and decay in the religious system. And yes, churches are full of self-righteous hypocrites.
I have several caveats:
- You cannot assume that because one church is corrupt, all are corrupt. This would be like saying because Auburn is corrupt, therefore every NCAA institution is corrupt.
- Sometimes, the situation is pretty complex, and blame isn't always easy to give. The answers to who knew, when did they know, and what did they do are hard to discern.
- Sometimes, the actions of a few individuals can tarnish an entire organization, and somewhat unfairly. Exhibit A: Chris Webber and the Fab Five.
- In one sense, corruption in the church is corruption, no matter how big or small. However, in the same way that Michigan's "major infractions" pale in comparison to what is alleged at Auburn, there is some sense that there are "degrees" of corruption.
- Conspiracy theorists can drive me nuts. They make delightful tales, and great movies, but don't usually hold water.
Regardless, your observations on the church, at least some manifestations of it, can be fair.
Exactly, like all human institutions and organizations, the point is that the people in them can practice and preach both good and evil. Look at the fruits they produce, and you will be able to tell the difference between the good and the bad whether they be churches or universities or athletic programs......And how they handle allegations and instances of failure tell you just as much!
what Rosenberg needs in order to get all-in with RR is a payola scandal involving a church in the family of one of the players.
Or, if RR starts winning, he'll just pretend he's been all-in all along.
Sorry to be such a homer, but I think it's telling that Auburn is making no moves to investigate themselves or even sit Newton in case he's ineligible. They want that national title, and they'll deal with the consequences later...
Also, thanks to wbdunesman for linking, and again, Rosenberg doesn't get the main point, which is that the problem is with the farce that is NCAA players not getting paid rather than Newton selling himself to the highest bidder - rules are rules...
Unless the NCAA plan to pay players would pay them 180,000 I am guessing that it would have had no effect here. The problem is that there is no limit to greed so no matter how much you pay, people will want more.
The premise that Cam Newton was selling himself to the highest bidder is not really representative of the situation from most accounts. The general sense I get from all of this is that Cam didn't feel like he had a choice. This is not to say that he is not responsible for his choice of going along. He could have told his dad " This is wrong. I want to go to Mississippi State and I don't want you to take any money." Which, by all accounts of the story is what he wanted to do. He wanted to go to State, this much is clear from when he had that "emotional talk" with a player from State( when he said "the money is too much"...or something like that). The fact that Mississippi State said we aren't going to pay you money, and Cam still wanted to go there points me in the direction to believe that either a) Cam didn't know that his Dad was seeking money and/or b) Cam wasn't looking to get paid or c) Cam knew his dad was looking to get paid and was hoping that his dad would still allow him to go to MS, even if they weren't going to pay up.
It seems as though his dad sat down with him and guilt tripped him into going to Auburn. He was losing his church and was financially insolvent. That's a lot of pressure to put on a kid. What was he to do? Of course the right decision, or atleast the one we all assume we would make, would be to turn down the money and follow the rules. Aftetr all, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to look past your nose and know that the big pay day would come in just ONE year-when the NFL would be a possibility. The one Cam made was the wrong one, but from reading things about this story I don't believe Cam put himself in the situation to have to choose the "highest bidder". He had to choose between his honor and his father. Which would you choose?
Now, I do not at all think Cam should get off here and he should be held accountable for his decisions. I feel just as disgusted with his role in all of this as I feel bad for him. In truth I can't blame him and I can't/ nor will I try to prove that he is not guilty as hell. As soon as he decided to go the route his dad wanted him to go, he crossed the line. He should definitely be ruled ineligible for this season, and Auburn should get absolutely demolished in this process. I just wanted to get what I was thinking out. I'm angry that Cam's father did the unthinkable: He sold out his son. Unfathomable.
*Im sure more of the truth will come out about this situation. This is just what I think from the information that is currently available. I reserve the right to change my stance if/when more information becomes available that shows that Cam Newton had a more central role. Thanks.
I don't know enough about this yet to comment intelligently. But the scenario you lay out seems plausible. Regardless of whether it is true or not, there are too many situations where outside forces, parents, etc., put unfair and unmanageable pressure on someone who wants to do the right thing in the right way.
This is a little misunderstood. IF this is remotely true, Auburn will no longer be an accredited University, which is a pre-req. SEC won't kick AU out, they won't be qualified.
First of all, I question whether SACS will actually remove Auburn's accredidation if these allegations prove true. Doing so would be a political nightmare as it would severely damage a relatively prestigious and longstanding public institution. It seems far more likely that Auburn would be heavily sanctioned by SACS and forced to clean out its Board of Trustees along with many menmbers of its Athletic Department.
Secondly, the SEC itself does not require regional accredidation to join its conference. The NCAA does. One of my problems with this article is that the sources for it don't seem to fully understand the process. In order to be a member of the NCAA, you have to be accreditted by the appropriate agency (it took me about two minutes to find this out). The SEC doesn't have any individual institutional acccredidation rules (I know this because I read the SEC constitution).
"Corruption charges?! Corruption?! Corruption is our protection. Corruption keeps us safe and warm. Corruption is why you and I are prancing around in here instead of fighting over [three-stars] out in the street. Corruption is why we win!"