Thanks guys, appreciate it. Recording it now to watch when I'm in a better state of mind and not worrying how I am going to meet my rent payments and buy groceries.
Fab Five Movie Open Thread
In the ups and downs of life, you were a witness to something special.
Keep the faith.
What a great film. Amazing look at the Fab Five
After college. So in Chicago we'd run into all sorts of other Big Ten fans. Anyone would make fun of them never winning anything, and he'd just say "I wouldn't trade my basketball experiences during my college years...would you trade your college teams for the Fab Five?" The answer is always "yes".
I loved the Fab 5 before due to their play on the court. This documentary made me admire them for more than just that. The closeness of that brotherhood is amazing.
To the "alumni" who wrote those racist letters, you should be completely ashamed of yourself and I hope you have no association with UM anymore.
I look forward to the day they are ALL welcomed back and the banners are raised. C-Webb: PLEASE come home. I sincerely hope C-Webb makes some effort on his part as well as Brandon and the Athletic Dept. I will be in Crisler in 2013 cheering as loud as I can.
Go Blue...past, present, and future.
isn't an NCAA violation
Maybe if we can look beyond that heinous shit, we can also forgive the Fab5 their transgressions? Eh, pale alumni?
See my earlier post.
But there was a reaction to the "hip-hop" aspect of the Fab5 on behalf of fans and alumni, and part of that was about race
And in the absence of more information, I'd have to take Fisher's word on the letters
I think there was much, much more fanbase "objection" (!?) to the dreads from Florida playing football under Rich Rodriguez, than to the Fab Five who were led by two Detroit kids. And I say that as someone who was at most of the Fab Five's home games, and most of the football games coached by Rodriguez. So you be the judge how much "race" consideration there was.
...of overall alumni satisfaction, but maybe student approval. We hear a lot about "Walmart Wolverines" and these may be the bulk of people behind the letters. But I do remember the letters at the time and there were lots of them. It's fair to believe that there were others who had a similar opinion and did not write anything.
You can't judge overall alumni satisfaction between an arena with 9,000 folks, some of whom are alumni, and a stadium of over 100,000 with at ginormous amount of alumni.
And to that point about people having issues with the dreads: It's entirely possible that most, if not all, of those people had an issue with the Fab Five.
It will be a great day when Chris Webber decides to come clean and apologize for his transgressions and the whole university can move on and celebrate the Fab Five's accomplishments.
Anyone else tempted to try to go take a look at those banners in the Bentley Historical Library now?
Yes. Was just wondering if you can waltz into the archives.
Unfortunately you can't waltz right in and pull stuff off the shelf. You have to sign in, show ID, then wait at a table while the librarians (media specialists, not sure what the call themselves) go find what you want and bring it to you. They have some pretty cool stuff there if you want to check it out.
If there's a way to get down there, I'd absolutely LOVE to go. Hell, I'd go tomorrow, first thing in the morning. But it's probably impossible to get there.
absolutely want to.....the last part gave me goosebumps
had a tour for a class once, theres some amazing stuff in there.
Absolutely blown away.
Accidental double post, but I'm really tempted to go buy some Jalen Rose stuff now. The guy is legend.
The best '30 for 30' hands down
Wow. I thought it would make the Michigan family look bad. How wrong. This was excellent. Okay now they are showing it was produced by 4 of the fab five. Hmmmm.
Fantastic.. all in all one of the best ESPN documentaries I've seen. Really really well done.
so that was kinda of a sad movie and maybe a few tears went down my face that was great movie
But feel very melancholy now...
Great film. One of the best ESPN's done.
Well. DVD anyone?
I think it's available digitally off Amazon.com or Itunes, they said right after the movie. Don't know about DVD.
This movie is going to
A) Get our team JACKED UP for the tournament this week
B) Probably do some help in recruiting
Case in point:
I hope they are jacked up for Tennessee!
All those pictures; just couldn't keep this out of my head.
Any way they'll ever be allowed to put the banners back up?
As far as I know, the NCAA didn't even require us to do it. It was self-sanctioned. So as far as I know, if Webber ever comes clean they could easily do a "Re-Raise the Banner" ceremony, which would be awesome.
The NCAA definitely sanctioned us. They brought the hammer. But they essentially agreed with our self-sanctions, just adding another year of probation and taking away another scholarship. They NCAA considers those wins forfeit. I don't think the University can suddenly change it's mind 10 years later.
Solid film, excellent if you're a Michigan fan, but it's not one of their best, simply because Chris Webber didn't take part. Otherwise, it was great.
Chris Webber needs to grow up and say I'm sorry.
Neg me if you want, I don't fault any 18-19 year old kid taking money because it's offered. But it doesn't mean he did the right thing. Now he needs to be a man and apologize for all the turmoil and pain his actions caused the university, players, and fans who did and still love him.
That was better than I thought it could be. My wife, who didn't go to Michigan, was equally riveted.
This may be the best documentary ESPN has ever done.
Just want to say thank you to Jalen mostly. You are the man. RayRay and King and Howard, thank you for what you did for the uni. CWebb, we love you and want you coming home too. 2013 will be a good year for UM basketball for the Fab Five and for the new youngsters!
Ray runs a non profit for youths. Jimmy owns a solar energy company and coaches kids. Jalen opens a Charter School for Leadership. Not too shabby.
Impessive....most impressive. Business/Economics is my thing. I really wish I could get an MBA from Ross, but that is likely not going to happen.
This was incredibly well done. Like, holy shit.
Talking Michigan Tournament.
Great production. Great story. This was a very frank and powerful doc, and at the same time wasn't one of those knock-you-over-the-head emotional rides that some of them default to.
Can't wait to download it and watch it with my son (whose now in school here in Korea on Monday morning). BTT torrent anyone?
I'm absolutely speechless. I think I finally have a favorite movie.
That was just an incredible film. Completely blown away.
"#FabFive classic!! Just got off the phone with J Howard and thanked him for showing all of us what we all loved! Amazing documentary."
It's re-airing on ESPN2 right now if you couldn't get enough of it the first time.
Anyone know the name of the song and artist at the end?
Song - Quiet
Artist - This Will Destroy You
Sounded very Explosions in the Sky-esque. Sure enough, This Will Destroy You is a group that uses long instrumentals and is from Texas.
"Young Mountain" is a great album if anyone is interested in them
That. Was. Awesome. The good, the bad and the ugly. The truth. The pain. The excitement. It's everything I felt watching the championship game as a sophomore at UM with my own college "brothers" and it still feels that way today. Well done.
Whatever missteps MSC made with Michigan athletics over the years, she is currently on the Johnson & Johnson board of directors. She must know a thing or two about how power works in a large organization.
wow, anybody that doesn't think the Fab 5 was a big deal, check out the twitter trends right now.
ESPN couldn't do us any more of a favor to promote it, and Michigan.
Helps put an end to this bullshit idea that Beilein and Michigan just aren't cool enough to recruit well.
It's got to help recruiting . . . reminding recruits that yes, Michigan was and is a cool place to go.
How can we get the current team to shave their heads for the NCAA tournament? Morris, Morgan and Hardaway would look pretty badass. Plus, Novak, Smotrycz and Vogrich look absurd with their present do's. Might as well get some black socks and sneaks too
Still tough to beat Scotty Hopson's flat-top fade.
I can't wait until they put the banners up again in 2013.
Come Brandon, do the right thing!
apologize is reasonable. Brandon made it clear that's what they're waiting on. Admitting the mistake is a precursor to moving on, and it looks like the school is ready to do that
but i recall this coming out that they were asking for 695k in restitution.
a) whatever happened of that?
b) the graph of merchandising profits show how ridiculous this is in the early 90s
c) was this only from him not taylor/traylor/bullock sinc e he lied/distanced himself?
Desiring him to fess up is completely legit, but this just seems over the top.
The banners aren't leaving the Bentley. Sorry to burst your bubble.
So glad I DVR'd that.
"Like watching my college years on television". It WAS eerie.
But more than us who can remember it, I'm glad for current and recent students. Not just to be exposed to history, but know that just making the Tournament every couple of years, maybe the occasional Big Ten title, just "not sucking", is not what it's all about, is why Crisler isn't filled, and isn't what Michigan is limited to. Getting to the Tournament for the 2nd time in 3 years, even if it's a short trip is getting back on the road to that. That's why it's more important than a long run in the NIT. We were great once; we can be again. And hopefully we're well on our way.
Yeah, as a recent grad, I think I only knew a fraction of the story. And we're talking like 1/10 of it. This is a must-watch for anyone that was too young then and should also be a must-watch for any new students. Crisler has to go back to what it was.
How cool would it be if this years team made a deep run, BEAT Duke, and after the players say something along the lines of "That was for the Fab 5"!!!
word that. I'll say it for them: "This was for the Fab Five, you soft, weak, uncle tom, overrated bitches." ... I did get that part of the firm right, right?
Don't forget to tell the Blue Devils to GTFOMC!
Excellent....better than expected in every way. I was worried the NC game timeout thing would be reliving a nightmare but they handled it well...
Anyone know if this will be available to watch online? It seems the 30 for 30 shows are stuck in the stoneage while most other ESPN content is available on ESPN3/ESPN.com.
Because they're selling the downloads on Amazon and ITunes.
He talks about what a big OSU fan he is.
Yeah, I read the articles.
This is true. I'm still convinced that one of the reasons Michigan athletics as a whole was so successful in the 90's was due to the high profile the Fab Five gave Michigan. Their popularity transcended their sport and Michigan benefited for years afterward. It came with a double-edged sword obviously, but still....
I find it funny that the sharties over at tRCMB find the time to rip on the documentary, but it's funny knowing that they are watching it and feeling the need to comment on it
If you are a CBB fan, it's something you should see. You don't need to be a Michigan fan.
It was like an out of body experience for me. After a while, I forgot it was about "my team". It just became a compelling story.
People need to step back from their stupid rivalries and appreciate sports for what it is. There are many times while watching Michigan play MSU or OSU in any sport and I'm able to appreciate a beautiful pass or sweet dunk one of their players does. Hell, I've watched a documentary about Woody Hayes and Ohio State and loved it. It is sometimes nice to be able to just enjoy sports regardless of the team or players.
The RCMB has a FOURTEEN page thread about the fab five doc. What a bunch of tools.
I think I have a word for that....OBSESSION
But one thing they may be either mad, or happy, about is that Webber himself said that he was a Sparty lean during his recruitment.
They're just pissed because MSU basketball was irrelevant in the early 90's. Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, and OSU were the elite of the Big 10 back then. It's always fun to listen to Sparty talk about the "tradition" and "passion" of MSU basketball fans when I remember Jenison Fieldhouse being consistently a quarter empty for MSU home games because the Spartans were a mediocre basketball team that couldn't compete with Michigan on the recuiting front.
I hope Beilein has his guys watching it. All kinds of history lessons to be learned.
(Unless that counts as a basketball-related activity? If so, don't tell Rosie.)
They were watching, Twitter told me so. THJ seemed particularly pumped to get more banners up, besides Coach Bacari, who's always excited.
If you missed it or screwed up your DVR setting, other than the ESPN2 replay going on right now, upcoming times are:
ESPN Classic Monday, March 14 @ 1-3pm EDT
ESPN2 Monday, March 21 @ 1-3am EDT
ESPNU Monday, March 21 @ 10pm-Midnite EDT
ESPN Classic, March 22 @ 10pm-Midnite EDT
ESPN U, March 24 @ 7-9pm
ESPN U, March 25 @ 1-3pm
pretty good option #5
That scene where Webber is walking down the tunnel after the loss to UNC...that was a hard scene to watch...it really got to me
That was so bittersweet to watch. I remember all of those key games based on where I was and who I was watching with. I was a sophomore at UM when the Fab 5 came to town and it was an amazing 2 year roller coaster ride. They brought us so many range of emotions and reliving them tonight was eerie. Like it was yesterday. I'm so pumped for next Friday, its not even funny. Go Blue!
Am I the only one who was hoping for a Jason Bossard interview?
Do most of you feel like the players threw CWebb under the bus, cause thats what most on twitter are saying
That he won't come back, and own up to it, and let them all come back and be appreciated for their accomplishments. Webber basically threw them under the bus.
let's see now. the one guy on the fab 5 who came from a middle-class background ends up being the guy who took big $ and tarnishing their legacy. i can't imagine why the would harbor some resentment.
which is why I really never fully understood why he would take money...he came from a decent family, great high school and he was going to be a top 5 pick...why he felt he need to take money is beyond me
I guess we'll never know until he comes out and tells his side of the story
I think it has something to do with feeling exploited. Everyone else was making money off the Fab Five except for the people in the Fab Five. There's a couple stories about ways in which they resented the money Nike made off of them and they noticed.
Edit: never mind I think it started before Webber became famous. Sorry, I'm 22 so this is all sort of new to me.
Tell me this will be up on BTT torrents. Someone record the rebroadcast and share it!
I Love You.
Wow, a lot of different emotions watching everything unfold again. Always loved J Rose but that took it to another level. I wonder if my son would mind if I changed his name from Zeke to Jalen?
I thought the movie was really well done. That long walk of shame for C Webb that they let play seemed to last forever. I can't hate on him. I don't think it is right to judge the kid. The man could handle it better but I encounter a lot of adults who could handle things better.
I'm thankful I was in school in 89....what a freaking party that was...but the Fab 5 will be the most special to me. That made me believe I could do anything.
One of the best sports documentaries I have seen. What really pisses me off is that I was watching it in my dorm room (I go to Michigan) and my roommate - who is completely clueless as to who the Fab 5 are - decides to walk in and start up a conversation about how he finally used up all of his scratch paper, during THE LAST 10 MINUTES OF THE MOVIE. Oh well, just will have to watch it again...and again.
Beyond the apology, it is possible the school might want to know whether Webber chose Michigan because of Martin's inducements? To this day it isn't clear. Perhaps if talking to Webber privately can shed light on that, they'll move forward accordingly.
Martin was way too deeply involved with players and was likely funneling them later in the 90s. But did he funnel the lone silent member of this particular famous recruiting class? It didn't appear so from the documentary.
Ultimately, Webber was clearly ineligible and Rose admitted taking money in the doc, making him ineligible to. The Unversity might never hang the banners anyways.
We know your a spartan and wanted CWebb to end up at state, is that what your getting at with your funneling comment? Every goddamn post you make you find a way to bring everyone down. Webber and Rose ineligible, blah blah blah, never hanging the banners, blah blah blah. You and your street urchin quote can get bent!
The Fab 5 is the reason i became a Michigan fan in Louisiana. I get alot of heat from all of these lsu fans but programs like this is why i stay true. Jalen Rose has just become my favorite Wolverine.
I was a Fr during the 2nd year. So many memories. Made my wife watch it. 15 min in she was hooked and watched the whole thing til late even though she's gotta 5am wake up. That speaks to what a story this is.
I remember loving the fab five and buying the shorts, etc but i did always think of jalen as a sort of punk smart ass. But over the years he has shown what a great person he is. This was just another example of that. He was mature beyond his years back then and yet would put on that game face during the game. Incredible.
We should be very proud that he represents UofM.
They talk about how Nike would sell everything with the phrase Fab Five and the amount of money they made for the U makes it pretty easy to understand why they (actually just Chris the one who didn't need it) took the money.
I have to admit though, in the middle of watching it, I thought CW not contributing his side felt a bit empty. Overall I do want to own a copy of this show.
Compare Webber's reaction to getting blown out by Duke to the one after the Carolina game... just stunning... I'm so happy for Jalen Rose... and I was watching the film and following along on Twitter and I have to tell you, I was touched to see a few of the current Wolverines (like Tim Hardaway, Jr.) promising to put up banners that won't be taken down and others asking C-Webb to "come home"...
I also liked how the doc touched on the notion that these guys weren't just slam dunkin', trash-talkin' renegades who ignored their coach... they knew and respected the game, and were coached well and listened to Coach Fisher (at least most of the time, they did)...
Only down note for me was hearing my roommate's boyfriend, a USC grad, laughing during C-Webb's long walk to the locker room after the Carolina game... but he'll be dealt with in short order...
Anyway, make no mistake, this was not just a great night for Jalen Rose and the legacy of the Fab Five, but for the University of Michigan...
I can't imagine having a team like this right now. Honestly I don't think the reaction from the fanbase (racism etc) would be much different now than it was then. I think that's wrong. I would love a team like that. But I don't think portions of the fanbase agree.
Oh my god Chris Webber was an amazing basketball player. Jimmy and Ray were pretty damn good too even if they didn't quite make it in the NBA.
or MSU fans that didn't hate 'em (or at least dislike them) .
I was in my late 20s back then. So maybe I can't speak for the (even) older fans, but I didn't see it. My mostly white circle just loved (or hated) the winning.
Being from California and being obsessed with Michigan since I was a kid (Dad is alumni, so am I) my friends have always given me shit about loving our great University so blindly. And since my friends have only paid attention to sports since lyin' ass Tressel started kicking our ass I get even more shit for liking a "weak-ass" school. I hope this proves to them and other non-rival fans that Michigan was the absolute SHIZNIT in the '90's and that the Fab Five is the reason they wear black socks and baggy bball shorts. Man do we need that swagger back!!!
My earliest UM memories are of Charles Woodson with a Rose in his teeth and a puck deflecting just right off a BC players skate and ending up in the net as well as Tractor Trayloyr dunkin' over Duke at Cameron, so I am too young to remember the Fab Five, but this doc re-confirmed why my love of this University is so much apart of my indenity(as painful as it sometimes is). GO BLUE!!!!
This brought back so many memories.
I am now rooting for the Heat, so that Juwon can get a title.
Can get over 400 posts...says it all, doesn't it?
At least they did mention that Jalen is starting up a school, Ray is running a non-profit and Jimmy is coaching HS kids (and apparently also owns a solar company). Not exactly thuggish career choices.
That was very nostalgic. Took me back to my college days. The glorious party on South U after Michigan beat Kentucky. The misery of the UNC game. The disappointment of never winning the conference championship.
I look foward to the day when we can embrace all the Fab Five and put the ugly part of the legacy behind us and finally we'll have healed.
here is the retarded version of human reaction:
Almost as many posts as here.
that damn song at the end gets me every time