Man, come on!! How/why did Carvin Johnson transfer. He was the depth chart at safety.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
Man, come on!! How/why did Carvin Johnson transfer. He was the depth chart at safety.
Wow, you either went digging real deep or you're affiliated with the courts....
Or Hoke just addressed this in his presser.
Some clarification (per a premium board):
Sounds like it was more of a misunderstanding involving a roommate. Something was taken and thought to be of common use but wasn't and was returned when roommate inquired about it. But police had been called and charges were filed. Doesn't exactly sound serious but obvious caveat of waiting to see what happens.
As for why he hasn't been playing-this isn't why. He has had a concussion for several weeks now. M staff are supposedly planning to seek a medical redshirt for him.
Something tells me this wasn't a dispute over the pan you use to cook your ramen noodles.
That was my initial reaction too. Charges don't really seem to gel with story.
Just relaying what insiders said about it before board completely freaked out as we tend to do. They made it sound like not much, but charges carry some weight. Who knows what truth is right now? No point in speculating at this point.
But it may not matter. Whether we're talking about a borrowed stapler, a borrowed PS3 or a borrowed yacht, if MRob reasonably believed he was permitted to use the object, it isn't larceny, and therefore it isn't 2nd degree home invasion.
In other words, we need more facts to know for sure.
Stop spewing out BAR/BRI information. You brought back bad memories and made me throw up in my mouth a little bit. Knock it off.
From time to time, I just spew lawness. I feel like Will Ferrell
That's the way you IRAC! That's the way you IRAC!
That my friend, would be an affirmative defense. But who wants to put those things forward? No one. They just take up time and money that's why 99% of cases don't go to trial. If the prosecutor believes the story, justice is spelled P-L-E-A-D-E-A-L.
The prosecution is required to prove all elements of the offense, including mens rea. As such, a lack of intent to commit larceny would not be an affirmative defense here.
That said, he really wouldn't want to take this to trial. His better hope is that the prosecutor believes his take and drops (or reduces) the charges.
You are probably right. Still gotta make a jury believe it though. Plea deal is still on the horizon I bet.
"M staff are supposedly planning to seek a medical redshirt for him"
According to the stats, he has played in 5 games. That would make him ineligible for a medical hardship waiver.
Detroit News says he's got a preliminary hearing set for Wednesday.
Yeah, I'd say it's pretty much been confirmed. That sucks big time.
blake mutha f$&king countess don't play safety brah
That is true, but Blake Countess is the reason Troy Woolfolk could move to safety.
New nickname? Yes.
Jordan MF Kovacs earlier in the year (but rarely applied).
Depends on if you're talking about Countess or 'Prison Abs' Robinson.... yeesh
Once again, Marvin Robinson is not 'Prison Abs'. Thomas Gordon is 'Prison Abs'.
Oh, so now we are taunting the Angry Michigan Safety (and DB) Hating God? Not a good idea, not a good f$&king idea!
that should just be settled out of court. Nothing to see here. (my daughter has jury duty in Washtenaw this week, but I don't think preliminary hearings have juries)
You're right. A preliminary hearing does not normally have a sitting jury.
This will likely be settled once the county attorney and Marvin's attorney meet and discuss the evidence / surrounding circumstances.
This sounds like some serious Judge Judy type of dispute.
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Uttering & Publishing?? Oh man, that's not coming off his record anytime soon...
(I Googled this apparently it's punishable by up to 14 years in prison. Moral of the story: don't utter and publish.)
Uttering and publishing generally involves attempting to use stolen checks.
It involves any sort of forgery with regard to legal documents or contracts, technically. But unless the roommate had land deeds sitting around his apartment, yeah, it's probably checks.
Any man who shall seduce and debauch any unmarried woman shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 5 years or by fine of not more than 2,500 dollars.
Debauchry is only 2.5k? Hmmmm....
WOW, does that mean you can seduce and debauch any married woman without recourse?!?
(Law works in mysterious ways.)
Any person who shall commit adultery shall be guilty of a felony; and when the crime is committed between a married woman and a man who is unmarried, the man shall be guilty of adultery, and liable to the same punishment.
That if i liked it, then I should've put a ring on it?
Legally speaking of course.
Still cheaper than marrying her
Do they take Diner's Club?
If I recall from my lawyering days, in Michigan writing a bad check is uttering and publishing.
FYI, for those who are interested, here is a definition of 2nd degree home invasion (per onecle, re-formatted for clarity):
A person is guilty of 2nd degree home invasion if...
We'll see. The charge suggest something greater than a penny-ante issue between roommates. So, unless or until the case is resolved, let's not do the OSU thing and dismiss it as nothing.
Innocent until proven guilty, no?
Thomas Gordon is prison abs.
I'm just so fed up with this crap coming from players and coaches at so many schools in D-1. And I'm sure we'd all agree that this kind of nonsense isn't what Michigan or any fine university should be part of.
It's one thing after another, from one school after another. There's a potential solution, but everyone's going to dislike my suggesting it: the elimination of athletic scholarships. Real college students should be playing college football, not semi-pro athletes. Realistically paid teachers should be coaching it, not pros depending on it for millions of dollars in salary.
Yes, big-time D-1 football makes for a more exciting brand of football. Yes the level of on-field competition in D-1 is excellent. And that may be important to a lot of people.
I know I'm the only person on this board who would give that level of competition up for a different system. Neg away.
What we currenly have is a set of minor leagues for the NFL. It's all about "the next level." Well, there should be minor league football for those who go to college only for that.
The Ivy League prohibits athletic scholarships in tis charter. The students who play are actual students. I have a lot of respect for that, and would honestly like to see Michigan leave the Big Ten and join the Ivies. Unless the NCAA does what it should do, and eliminate athletic scholarships, things aren't going to change.
I realize fully that Michigan will never do that for a myriad of reasons, nor will the NCAA. It's not going to happen. But it should.
Yes. Let's remove athletic scholarships and thus destroy one of the few ways poor inner city youth can afford to set foot on this campus. That's great for social mobility and accomplishing our mandate to educate everyone in the state.
How about giving scholarships to bright poor inner city youth for non-atheltic reasons instead?
I went to Cass Tech in Detroit with plenty of bright poor inner city youth who weren't athletes and who would have loved to have attended Michigan, but couldn't afford to.
I think you need to chill, brah. Yes, this stuff should not happen, but there are hundreds of kids coming in and out of the football program every few years. Take a random sample of the same size from the general student body and I bet the crime levels would be about the same.
It's been established by research that athletes (particularly football players) commit crimes at a higher rate than non-athletes on college campuses.
Unless I'm missing the sarcasm, I think this was exactly the opposite conclusion for anyone that actually examined the SI article on the subject earlier this season. College football players averaged less arrests than the student body at large.
How dare he steal a video game?
Down in front!
Stop it with the whole "Ivy League kids compete for the love of the game and are TRUE student athletes" line. Yes, the Ivies do not hand out athletic scholarships and definitely view major college athletics in a different light than, say, the SEC, but it's not like they ignore sports completely. I know a couple of kids recruited by the Ivies for revenue (BBall/FBall) and non-revenue (everything else) sports, and while they were all good students, most of them would not have been admitted without sports. And in terms of financial aid, while the Ivies do not hand out athletic scholarships per se, most have a sliding scale for how much students within a certain fiscal bracket are expected to pay (the rest is subsidized from the endowment), and there are quite a few "need-based" scholarships available if they want you. I mean, Harvard and Columbia may not give a five-star DB a free ride, but they do "need" players and that so they'll find ways to admit them.
It is time that they put the student back in student athletes!
Note: there are scholarships and Programs outside of athletics for inner city kids like M-Stem
I'm not familiar with the new medical redshirt rules but that seems like a lot of action to try and get a redshirt for.
I was wondering about the same thing. In the player participation releases, he's listed as having appeared in the first five games. But his bio at mgoblue.com says he played in only four games. Maybe one of the participation releases is wrong?
I'm fairly certain that four games is the maximum for a medical redshirt in football (calculated based on 30 percent of the number games, with that number rounded up).
Maybe WMU doesn't count?
I don't like Robinson's odds of remaining a member of the team. Hoke seems pretty stern on these sorts of things. Michigan is probably one of the few schools in the conference that would have sidelined a guy with Stonum's talent for an entire season.
Now were into character crimes on these charges.
Maybe there are extenuating circumstances here and the whole thing will be dropped by the authorities. Sure hope so.
So based on my cursory reading of the charges, this is either a misunderstanding between roommates or indiscretion by a 20-year-old. I'm sure it will be blown out of proportion for a bit (don't visit ESPN unless you want to see a bunch of scUM tags), then die down as people move on.
A video game? Wow. Not even like a video game system? I don't what I am more surprised about: (a) that someone would be dumb enough to put their football career in jeopardy over a single video game, or (b) that people spend the time investigating and prosecuting this kind of crime.
The roommate probably came back, found out his game was missing, and called police. Police took a report, then (insert facts here that I don't know about), and Robinson became the suspect. Then it's forwarded to the prosecutor who looks at the law, goes "hey this is a Home Invasion 2nd!" and there Marvin Robinson is in court. Doesn't take much to get here. It takes a lot to get out of it though.
Maybe this why he blew that coverage on the Riddick touchdown in the UTL game, his mind was elsewhere
but can't say I possessed greater wisdom at that age.
Hopefully he learns a stern lesson from this.
Was this really necessary though? I mean, look at what Stonum's had to deal with. Can't be much fun.
When I played college football out here in CA I did a TON of dumb shit at that age. Like stealing a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle vintage TV tray from a frat house. Kids are kids, it's not like he was pulling a Justin feagan