Etiquette of Fans Communicating With Recruits

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My Specific Situation

There is a Michigan recruit who I might have the opportunity to meet. I'm wondering how weird it would be to talk to his kid about why I love the University of Michigan. I wear a Michigan hat a bunch, so it's possible that my thoughts would not be unsolicited.

Some context: I am a MAN (graduated from college). I would not usually talk to this kid. I have no inappropriate interest in children. I don't plan on trying to bribe him or anything like that.

General Considerations

1. Is it okay to seek out recruits and encourage them to come to Michigan? (If it depends, please say on what it depends.)

2. Is it okay to talk to recruits and encourage them to come to Michigan? (If it depends, please say on what it depends)

3. Is it okay to follow recruits through their social media accounts? (If it depends, please say on what it depends.)

4. Is it okay to communicate with recruits through their social media accounts? (If it depends, please say on what it depends.)

Just for the record, of the above, I've only done #3 through twitter. I don't think it's creepy to watch a Michigan recruit play football, so going to the kid's games isn't listed.

Magnus

January 15th, 2012 at 2:07 PM ^

True story: I saw Caleb Stacey at a Michigan football game and did not talk to him.

Moral of the story: Following recruiting does not require you to act like a stalker and/or give kids a sales pitch.

Go ahead and follow recruits on Twitter.  It's kind of creepy if you "friend" them on Facebook, but whatever.  But there's no need to go further than that.  

NOLA Wolverine

January 15th, 2012 at 2:07 PM ^

Leave the kid(s) be. The fact that you need to ask if it's okay should be a sign. If you want to follow them on twitter and read every article on Rivals about their recruitment then that's fine, but you don't need to be going out and recruiting kids. 

Zone Left

January 15th, 2012 at 2:07 PM ^

My understanding is that the NCAA would consider you a booster and developing a relationship with a recruit with the intention of selling him on attending a school is a violation.

That said, no one can enforce that rule. I'd just generally caution against talking with recruits you don't have an existing relationship with. If I were 17 and some 25+ year old was pushing a school on me, I'd take it as a negative.

Happy Gilmore

January 15th, 2012 at 2:13 PM ^

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coldnjl

January 15th, 2012 at 3:19 PM ^

I kinda worry when fan sites and blogs continue to communicate and interview recruits. I enjoy reading anything directly from recruits, but when anyone reaches out to recruits that represents a fan base/university, problems can occur. I know these sites/blogs have great intentions, but they are invading the privacy of these kids via facebook and twitter for these interviews. Doesn't seem right.

maizedandconfused

January 15th, 2012 at 2:10 PM ^

Would you, if you were a high school kid, want some random 25+ dude coming up to and extolling the virtues of a university you are trying to decide on? 

I dont even like getting junk mail telling me how "great" some stores are.. and I repeatedly have verbal altercations with telemarketers. So... I'd say no. Unless he brings it up. 

Jskohl88

January 15th, 2012 at 2:11 PM ^

1) I'd say no to this one. I think seeking them out gets into a bit of a shady area, even if your intentions are pure. One, it's a little bit creepy to be seeking out 17 or 18 year old kids to talk about college. Two, it's not worth the risk of putting a kid in a bad situation.

2) I'd say if you did not purposefully seek them out, then it's ok to bring up how much you love Michigan and encourage them to go. It really shouldn't go beyond that; you don't have to go into incredible excruciating detail about the amazingness that is Michigan. Let the coaches and the campus do that.

3) Yes

4) Way too creepy. I don't think you can accomplish anything by communicating with them through social media except to be seen as a total creep and crazy person. Would you want strange people messaging your son or daughter via twitter or facebook about college? I doubt it. 

With all of that said, there is nothing wrong with letting recruits know how much you love Michigan. Give them an early sense of how tremendous we are.

bdsisme

January 15th, 2012 at 2:11 PM ^

I wear a Michigan hat a bunch, so it's possible that my thoughts would not be unsolicited.

I see no problem with it if he asks you for your opinion.

Yeoman

January 15th, 2012 at 2:12 PM ^

1. Let the coaches do the recruiting.

2. You don't have to avoid people in your usual social network just because they have a son that might be a potential recruit. That said, see rule #1.

3. If you have to ask, you shouldn't be doing it.

GoBlue2002

January 15th, 2012 at 2:12 PM ^

If you have any monetary ties to UofM I'd advise you not to talk to him. I'm a season ticket holder and therefore qualify as a booster so I'd never go out of my way to contact a potential or current UM athlete since that would be a violation.

That's said, I've randomly run into recruits and players in AA and have spoken to them on many occasions. I draw the line anywhere beyond praising the athletes for a good game or saying I hope to see you in maize and blue.

CO Blue

January 15th, 2012 at 2:13 PM ^

If you are questioning whether what you are doing is right or wrong, that might be your moral compass already having given you the answer.

Consider the well-being of a kid above your love for the insitution.

Ask yourself "If this was my kid, would I want a strange adult interacting with them (in the way you are thinking about interacting with them)"?

I love Michigan as much as anyone, and I am sure it is not the right place for everyone.

mongoose0614

January 15th, 2012 at 2:13 PM ^

Unless you are a famous alumni, nothing you would say or do would make a difference in the recruiting process.........although stalkers can have an adverse affect.

Michichick

January 15th, 2012 at 2:15 PM ^

You would be wise to read and learn about the NCAA's definition of "booster" and "representative of the University of Michigan" in the Athletic Department's compliance page on the mgoblue website. If you give any money to the athletic department, you're a booster. You can't contact recruits or their families (email, phone, etc.) beyond saying hi.  Here's the link:

http://www.mgoblue.com/compliance/mich-compliance-whoisabooster.html

Bodogblog

January 15th, 2012 at 2:17 PM ^

doesn't mean that much. You're just some dude.

Don't go out of your way to meet him, and if you do tell him you're big Michigan fan and good luck. That's about it. If he cares to know more, he'll ask.

He probably won't ask

Bando Calrissian

January 15th, 2012 at 2:20 PM ^

This thread is pretty much the embodiment of why I have zero interest in closely following recruiting.  The idea that a high school kid would ever have to deal with crap and people like this is absolutely batty to me.

mejunglechop

January 15th, 2012 at 2:24 PM ^

Wear a Michigan hat, act classy and leave the kid be. If he solicits your opinion just say why YOU love Michigan. Leave the selling to the coaches.

Jerry Sandusky

January 15th, 2012 at 2:23 PM ^

I don't see what's wrong with casually chatting up some high schoolers. I mean, these guys are plenty old to make their own decisions, right?!?

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

January 15th, 2012 at 2:36 PM ^

1. Is it okay to seek out recruits and encourage them to come to Michigan? (If it depends, please say on what it depends.)
Not only no, but fuck no. You are almost certainly commmitting a recruiting violation and being a creepy weirdo besides.
2. Is it okay to talk to recruits and encourage them to come to Michigan? (If it depends, please say on what it depends)
You don't have to like, shun them if you're introduced. It's still not cool to give them some speech on why Michigan. You're just some random dude. Or dudette. Occasionally, recruits think it's fun to be recognized when they're on recruiting visits, but it's still creepy to treat a 16-year-old boy like a rock star.
3. Is it okay to follow recruits through their social media accounts? (If it depends, please say on what it depends.)
Again: It's creepy to treat a 16-year-old boy like a rock idol. People who friend them on Facebook are weird. Twitter's a little different, because following, if their account is open, is unobtrusive. Be judicious.
4. Is it okay to communicate with recruits through their social media accounts? (If it depends, please say on what it depends.)
Again, the chances of you committing a recruiting violation this way are enormous. If I had a high-school age kid who didn't play football, I'd think it was really fucking weird and creepy and intrusive that legions of grown-ass men wanted to be his "friend." That wouldn't change if he did play football. Follow recruiting all you like but please do not think you're special or a recruiter yourself. When you picked a college (assuming you were not one who grew up always knowing you were going to Michigan or some particular place) did you appreciate the reams of unsolicited advice you probably got? I didn't. I doubt football recruits are any different.

Gobluegr

January 15th, 2012 at 2:40 PM ^

The farthest you should go (without him [im assuming it's a guy] asking for your opinion) is just a "Go blue" I've seen lots of prospects talk about how they loved having fans say "go blue" to them. It makes them feel important without feeling uncomfortable.

chris1709

January 15th, 2012 at 2:49 PM ^

If you happen to run into a recruit i think it's fine to say "go blue" or, "we would love to have you at michigan" but anything more than that or seeking them out is a little creeperish.

Steve Lorenz

January 15th, 2012 at 2:54 PM ^

Keep your opinions to yourself. The last thing recruits want is an outside opinion. Not to mention based on the conversations I've had that the Michigan coaching staff definitely doesn't need anybody's help. They're really doing great work. 

A Dude

January 15th, 2012 at 2:56 PM ^

Some recruits look to be followed on twitter and that seems to be ok. As far as interacting goes, that should be a no. It's not right to harass these kids to go to a school. Even to 'tweet' them and say go blue is very strange.

moredamnsound

January 15th, 2012 at 3:00 PM ^

If he approaches you about the subject then you should be able to answer. Just make sure that you have some damn good things to talk about, and remember that saying the wrong thing could make him less likely to play here. I don't think you can go wrong with mentioning how awesome it would be to play in the Big House on Saturdays.

jmblue

January 15th, 2012 at 2:59 PM ^

I don't think #1 or #2 is allowed, and I'm doubtful about #4.  The exception is if you're a coach, childhood friend or family member.

Roachgoblue

January 15th, 2012 at 2:59 PM ^

Stay away from these children! Read Scout or their twitter posts. If you wreck our football team for stalking I will be so pissed.