Adam's Take on MSU, IOWA, PSU. Blah,Blah, Blah.
But hey, it's somthing.
Adam's Take on MSU, IOWA, PSU. Blah,Blah, Blah.
But hey, it's somthing.
Nothing earth shattering at all in his assesment. We have had 100+ threads on this subject already this summer.
My feeling is we will come out of our "key stretch" 2-1. But like he said I am more interested at this moment in our first 2 games. Sept 4th is closer than ever!!
I think 2-1 in that stretch isn't a stretch (ha). I have to think PSU's offense has to suffer with the loss of Clark, and I think we beat State. Iowa, to me, is the most challenging of the three and we could have beat them last year with all the big plays the defense gave up. So 3-0 isn't out of the question. But it's July so nothing is out of the question at this point.
If it is a stretch, I sure hope they remember to count it towards practice hours
does the same gameplan against Michigan which is leaving 6 guys in the box to defend against Michigan(for whatever reason), Michigan should be able to run at least 200 yards, easy. Michigan can beat Iowa, they're well-coached team but they're not that good.
I think it'll be very tough to win 2, but it is possible. If we win 2, we could be looking at a New Year's Day Bowl.
Fuck. But I guess Ritt has to write something during the last of this dry period
I'm going to go check my mgopoints
Newsome isn't that awful. I know he had a bad spring game, but he should be ok. Every other position group besides QB and LB will be improved. PSU will still be a tough game, especially since it's at PSU at night.
I should make my signature "We will not lose to Iowa in 2010" because I say it in half the threads. Also, it is truth.
That's a good sig, but I like the one you have now better.
I think Iowa and MSU are a best chances of wins in this stretch. PSU might not be a better team than the other two, but it is on the road at night and we're still a young team.
Should the sig read "And heRE we are..."? No biggie, but might as well fix it, eh? It is a good sig.
Wow, I've had that sig up for almost a year and never noticed that. Good catch. Thanks.
I'm looking at the '09 and '10 pair of games against Iowa as a very similar situation to the '08 and '09 pair of games against ND. '08 ND and '09 Iowa were both road games and it took a plethora of turnovers for us to lose those games.
We all know what happened in '09 when we took on a ND team that, let's be honest, was supposed to easily beat us. I think a big part of this was home-field advantage. I just have a gut feeling this home-field advantage will help us edge out the win against Iowa this year.
Like you, road games still scare me.
We are young, but a young team on a roll might not realize that a road night game should be tough either.
I shouldn't admit this here but, every game I've been to since graduation (a long, long time ago), we've lost. Games we should have won (Toledo), we lost while I was in the stands. I'm going to the Iowa game this year. I fully expect the curse will be broken at that game.
and we lose, you can never attend another game again.
in for wins over MSU and PSU. Iowa will be a killer, and truthfully, our chances in that are slim, but NEVER underestimate the Wolverines in Ann Arbor.
Shockingly, PSU could (should?) be the easiest of these three, because the Lions have had a pretty substantial outflow of talent the past few years without as much flowing in, and I think they're finally going to feel it. MSU will be a charged game because, obviously, Michigan is gonna want to end the losing streak, while MSU will probably feel that they can make a huge statement by extending the streak to 3 games. That said, I think we have more than enough talent to do it.
I'm pretty sure we'll lose against Iowa. As for the other two games, I say toss up. I would also lean towards 1-2
I think that all 3 of the games are winn-able but I don't think that we'll win all 3 or lose all 3. We'll either be 1-2 or 2-1 all in close games.
I can't say that I believe Michigan will lose against one of the better teams in the nation without getting negged? I'm not even being pessemistic, I just think Iowa will have a great team and will probably be 1st/2nd toughest our entire year even at home.
Last year's team was still pretty young -Tate was a freshman getting his second intro to Big Ten play- and made plenty of mistakes yet by the end of the game we were still in it. This years team will be a little more mature, a little more experienced, we'll be playing at home in front of a ruccous crowd; I respect Iowa too, but this one isn't chalked up quite yet.
3 -0. State's going to be a shootout. But I like our O-line better than their O-line, and our D-backs bettter than their D-backs. Tate took them to overtime last year, this year I am thinking a win by over a touchdown
Iowa is going to be the toughest of the 3, but last year proved that our offense will cause them a lot of problems. They struggled against mobile QB's and we happen to have a couple of them. They do well in the close grind out games, if we jump ahead and force them to go to the air more, and if linebacker play has improved (I think it will) then I like my chances against what I believe to be an over rated QB.
Penn State should be fun and the atmosphere will be great, but unfortunatelly for them, we will be coming in hot and they will still be in a QB shuffle. Their D will be strong, but not strong enough to stop our potent O that's hit it's stride. We stop their win streak at 2.
I can't wait for this season.
it matters more if you like our D-line more than you like their O-line (which i do) and if you our O-line more than their D-line (which i do, if healthy). Our Dbs vs their WRs though...yikes for now.
This post got me more pumped up for the season than anything else has so far. For that, +1
They struggled against mobile QB's and we happen to have a couple of them.
Josh Nesbitt begs to differ. Iowa did struggle against Denard, but the only other mobile QB that they face was shut down.
Nesbitt isn't fit to hold Denard's jockstrap.
You can't get to 13-0 without going 3-0 in this stretch, so I'll go with 3-0.
Rodriguez's offense backslid in Big Ten play last year
can someone explain this? i suppose he means as the year went on. there is no way he meant relative to 2008.
He meant as compared to OOC play. After all, we never had a day in conference play like we did against ND, and CERTAINLY never like we did against EMU.
We also had injury issues particularly with Molk, Tate and every running back.
Even with an injured Forcier, Michigan marched the ball right down the field on what I think might have been their first drive, and couldn't do jack after Molk was hurt. This would lead me to conclude that with better line play, Michigan can march it up and down the field against PSU. When you take into consideration an older, heavier, more-experienced line and put a healthy Molk back in, along with a healthy QB, not to mention possible PSU "growing pains" at QB, Michigan could surprise a lot of people against PSU.
I don't think Rittenberg will do this becasue he seems to have a lot more integrity than the average national guy, but I would imagine that a lot of the writers who are currently dismissing Michigan's chances to even make a bowl will be among the first to say "I told you so" when Michigan wins 8 or 9 this year.
I didn't want to start a new thead with rant but just happened on First take
That Bowling Green Buckeye lover (Jay Crawford) just tried to throw UM (assuming C. Woodson) under the bus with the Bush Heisman story. They were debating (Skip and an unknown guy)on First Take and that fuckstick had to bring it up. It was dismissed but it still brought up by that agenda having fucktard. The story was on the SEC and Bush not Michigan. Sorry I had to rant but guess who just made my list.
Everytime I hear or see Skip Bayless I want to punch him in the ovaries. I understand the need to vent, but turning the channel to avoid such frustration would be my advice. I've done that successfully when Valenti talks anything about Michigan and has saved me many times from ramming my car into a goddamn bridge abutment.
Serenity now...serenity now.
This is without a doubt the key stretch...it's the stretch that started our downfall last season.
I feel very confident we can take MSU at home this year. I think we're gonna see more improvement from last year to this year than they will.
Our offense proved that we can at least move the football against Iowa's tough defense in the 30-28 game. Iowa had a lot of good fortune last season and I'm not sure if it'll last. I anticipate our pass rush to be better under second year DC Greg Robinson. Look for Van Bergen and Jonas Mouton and company to put the heat on Stanzi and rattle his cage.
PSU is a bit of a mystery at this point cause I don't really know how their QB will perform. It's on the road, too...but we do have two weeks to prepare for it.
If we can get past UConn and ND, we will enter this "key stretch" with a 5-0 record. Even taking one of these three will put us at 6-2 and in position for a very good bowl game. We just can't drop all three again or RR's seat gets a lot warmer.
Anything worst then 3-0 in this stretch is UNACCEPTABLE. We are MICHIGAN! We are BETTER than all 3 of those teams and are corch is better two.
Go BIG BLUE!!!!111!!!!11!!
We have another year of practice on offense. Our offense is probably going to be pretty scary now, no matter who is in at QB.
So long as the offense works, the defense will suffice well enough to allow the offense to keep scoring.
Stretchgate. I am just so numb to the stories and in need of coffee right now, I read it as a terrible pun to start a story.
i am going to say that the key stretch for UM this year is going to be @Penn State, Illinios, @Purdue. These are three games that an improved Michigan team has a great shot at winning. They lost all three of these games last year, not closely to PSU, Illinois was close until Roundtree caught from behind-gate and Purdue was close. Michigan wins 2 of those, they are at 7 wins and a bowl.
This year, PSU will be more on UM's level, and Ill and Purdue will be below. Michigan NEEDS at least 2 of these 3 to have a bowl season. if not, we are in the same place next season or worse. if so, that is progress heading into a big year with a good home schedule.
With the high-octane offense we're going to have this year, I think we lay the revenge smackdown on MSU and destroy them. Iowa's going to be tricky, since they return a very good team, but it's at home. Going to Happy Valley is never easy, but PSU's offense isn't going to be great. If our offense can put together a few good plays, I think we got a shot.
Long story short, beat MSU, split PSU/Iowa.
I agree that it's tough to choose whether the first two games are more key than these three, but ultimately I agree with Rittenberg mainly because of the MSU game. I've had my eye on that game more than any other since last season ended. I think it's critical because it's smack in the middle of the season, we've lost to them twice in a row, and since it's at home that is the one game we just can't afford to lose this season; I feel the season, not to mention Coach Rod's job, could very likely hinge on it. When we win that game, winning against either Iowa or Penn State will be icing. Keep in mind that I believe we will go no worse than 4-1 in our first five, and I also believe we will find a way to beat either Iowa or PSU. Losing to both shouldn't kill the season, but don't think this will happen. Even though I feel Iowa will be a better team (best of these three in the stretch), and I admit I have no idea which of the two UM will beat, if either, I think I'm leaning Iowa. It's at home, we owe them from the close call last year, the crowd and the team will be up for it. Penn State will be fun, and with their QB situation we should have a chance, but even some very good teams (read OSU) have had trouble playing at night in Happy Valley. It will be fun to see how it all plays out.
Its getting pretty bad over there, those lost UM souls who still fight the good fight and haven't found this place yet. Perhaps we should start some MGoCommunity Service and sends some guy/gals over to ESPN to bring some MgoPain to the masses.
Frankly, I expect UM to win that one.
Their offensive playcalling is terribly conservative, Stanzi is a garbage, and while the defense is good, it can be exposed by spread teams.
Iowa is a solid team, but if you are the athleticallty superior team like UM is, you should win if you don't make mistakes.
Do recall that this Iowa team should have lost to a 1AA team and had problems with Arkansas State. Great they are not.
Last year, RR started out hot but faded miserably in a very Spartanesque manner. In 2010, I suspect RR will do things differently to avoid premature peaking, and just might knock off some highly rated teams later in the season including Iowa (particularly since the game is in AA.)
That said, is RR's job secure if he starts out slow but finishes hot...with a piss-poor 6-6 record but including wins over Iowa and Ohio-state? IMO, this is a strong possibility because almost every program trying to make the transition from bad to good passes through a phase/season with a demoralizing overall record but one that conceals key victories. So would you keep RR with such a season in 2010?
hates it when I peak prematurely. As soon as RR figures out how to avoid this, I will be all ears...and other things.
But to answer your question with a question, would you?
I though my answer was implied in the question :-) Yes, if he beats Iowa and tosu finishing strong (with a bowl win), I would definitely keep him despite the overall 7-6. In my eyes, such a performance would be a precursor to a breakout 2011 season (double digit wins).
OTOH, if he does the premature peaking again in 2010 and/or loses all the big ones, I would be inclined to at least consider the possibility of replacement even with let's say 8-5 overall.
Interesting though. I try not to get into conversations like, "what will RR have to do to save his job?" because I think it is pointless yet interesting. I'm sure there are expectations set by Brandon that outline success/failure. But if you want to know, here you go:
Again, not my decision, just my opinion (or e-pinion if you wish). I think it will be all moot when we go 13-0. Go Blue. Go RR. I'm All In.
I have no clout or influence or really even any MGoPoints, but I think the easiest decision for UM is to simply honor the contracted 4 years. With all the bad press and general shenanigans we've seen, pulling the plug early on a contract - assuming simply a mediocre W/L record and no major extenuating circumstances - we'd be in a weakened position anyway to effectively recruit a coach to take RR's place. So, a mediocre record that started hot and ended cold or a mediocre record that started cold but built momentum and scored a key victory are of equal value in determining RR's fate. I think all the hand-wringing about whether 6, 7, or 8 wins are good enough is misplaced in the contract/political environment.
I realize I may be in the minority here, but sports writers and sports fans seem to have a much quicker trigger finger than the folks at UM whom we laud for their steady tiller hand. If true, I'm grateful. If I'm wrong about that, I will be sorely disappointed for a variety of reasons.
"So, a mediocre record that started hot and ended cold or a mediocre record that started cold but built momentum and scored a key victory are of equal value in determining RR's fate. "
Unique perspective but IMO misplaced. :-) A slew of close losses (even to mediocre teams) early on is more than off-set by big late season wins. Are seriously suggesting that in 2009 you would not have preferred exchanging a loss against Indiana or ND for a victory against the Bucks? If that had happened, I bet the Wolverines are ranked pre-season and RR has already pulled legitimate recruits that Tressel wants.
Losses to MSU, and ND will have nearly zero impact if RR wins against the Big-ten cream of crop particularly OSU. If I were RR, I would invest heavily (emotionally at least) in beating the bucks and treat msu/nd (bragging rights be damned) like just another game.
Last year, RR started out hot but faded miserably in a very Spartanesque manner. In 2010, I suspect RR will do things differently to avoid premature peaking, and just might knock off some highly rated teams later in the season including Iowa (particularly since the game is in AA.) That said, is RR's job secure if he starts out slow but finishes hot...with a piss-poor 6-6 record but including wins over Iowa and Ohio-state? IMO, this is a strong possibility because almost every program trying to make the transition from bad to good passes through a phase/season with a demoralizing overall record but one that conceals key victories. So would you keep RR with such a season in 2010?
Are you suggesting we be cautious early? IMO you have to go flat out to win every game possible, whatever it takes. There aren't enough games in the season to cruise early, especially after what we have been through the last two years.
"Are you suggesting we be cautious early? IMO you have to go flat out to win every game possible, whatever it takes. There aren't enough games in the season to cruise early, especially after what we have been through the last two years."
Only sort of. MSU and ND are rivalry games but ought NOT to be treated as such. Instead do whatever it takes to continually improve over the season and peak towards the latter half -- and do anything to knock off the bucks. IMO, the same mediocre W-L record can prognosticate very very different futures depending on who you beat.
It appears that you think Stanzi is "a garbage." I can only assume you don't mean a garbage American citizen, because his message to you sir is love it or leave it.
Also, yeah. Iowa might be the least impressive Orange Bowl winner I can remember. We were 40 yds away from a game-winning field goal @ their house last year with a banged up freshman QB and his backup freshman QB leading the team. I honestly think Iowa probably scored in the 99th percentile on luck last year. They are a 7-5 team this year and we can beat them at home.
RR I agree will beat Iowa handily this year. Last year, Iowa won only because of home-court advantage bolstered with superior overall talent, RR actual did a fine coaching job.
Secondly, RR's style of play (no-huddle ground game) is perfect to beat a team like Iowa particularly because they do not have elite RBs and instead depend Stanzi. Passing game stops the clock. Every Stazi 3-and out puts Iowa's D back on the field. This is a big deal 'coz Iowa does not rotate their D-line, nor do they have good backs (to keep the clock going to rest their D when Stanzi is on the field).
OTOH, this hurry up mode could be suicidal against tosu (with their grind out backs and rotating D-line).
Kirk Ferentz is the best coach in the conference when it comes to players being fundamentally sound. Also, Stanzi is not "a garbage". He sometimes throws puzzling interceptions, but he has great leadership and intangibles. Iowa looked lost after he got hurt last season. Also, Iowa has 3 very good RB's in Adam Robinson, Brandon Wegher, and Jewel Hampton. They also return their top 2 WR's in DJK and Marvin McNutt. On defense, they won't be quite as strong this year at their LB positions, but DE Adrian Clayborn and S Tyler Sash are big time playmakers and among the best at their positions in the conference.
This is going to be a tough game to win, even at home. Can Michigan do it? Sure. Will they? It remains to be seen.
The thing that scares me about Iowa is just like you said, they have the best coaches in terms of being fundamentally sound. That, and the week before is a by-week; they will come prepared for denard much moreso than last year. If any of their running backs emerges as a stud, they will be very very difficult to take down.
That said, many of their players are reaching their ceilings, and I dont see a whole lot of upward potential for their team. Stanzi will throw interceptions forever, their lines will be big and well disciplined, Iowa will be Iowa. But if our offense comes together like I think it can, no amount of Iowa coaching will stop Michigan from out-athleting every Iowa player one on one, and if we execute well, this is a game we can definitely win.
Iowa is a good team (probably even the best of the three), but I think we will take them at home. Same goes for State, who, quite frankly, will hover around .500 again. However, Cousins and the WR's will keep it interesting against our potentially (i.e., probably) leaky secondary. It's somewhat counterintuitive to me, but if we lose one of these 3 games, I think it's PSU. New quarterback, true, but it's on the road, and by the time we play them, Newsome will have had 7 games under his belt, including trips to Bryant-Denny and Kinnick. 2-1 is a safe bet IME, but 3-0 is far from unrealistic.
If we make enough noise we can take anyone at home...
If it has been said once, it's been said 1,000 times, but Michigan's key stretch of games is UConn and ND. Win these two games and UM is 4-0 heading to Bloomington for their game vs. Indiana, which, if UM is 4-0 is a total "trap" game. Start 5-0 and shit, anything would be possible. So, I take the sports cliche and I start talking about one game at a time. Win Sept. 4th and then let's move on! Go Blue!
The Key stretch is the next game on the schedule. After that, it's the next team on the schedule. I just want the team to play hard, fundamental football and improve as the season goes. We cannot look ahead or take any teams lightly. Any team on our schedule can beat us and we can beat every team. We play to win the games and they are who we thought they were. If you want to crown 'em, crown they asses. I'm a man. I'm 40.
I think a Penn State fan said it:
"With no Demar Dorsey to help shore up your pitiful secondary, Michigan will have to outscore every opponent they play in order to win."
I find it extremely unfair that in order to win we have to outscore our opponent.......
I'd like to know what Penn State QB plans on torching our "pitiful" secondary.
I just hope our guys know that football is 90% mental and the other half physical. It's going to be a close game and it won't be over 'til it's over. It gets late early out there in Happy Valley. I just hope it isn't deja vu all over again. The other teams could make trouble for us if they win. As long as we don't make too many wrong mistakes, we should be good.
I could see a home win against UCONN (may be a tough win)
ND, may be a close game, but we could lose on the road?
UMASS and Bowling Green should be wins at home.
2-2 would not be a disaster. This is the year where we will have to win b10 games at home!!! We need to beat MSU and IL. IA and WI will be tough wins but we need too take them at the big house!!!! Indiana and Purdue are the teams we could beat on the road. PSU and OSU will be difficult to beat on the road.