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ESPN: Urban Meyer criticizes NCAA policy

Didn't see this in the Urban Meyer photo rant thread. 

I thought this article was hillarious.  It talks about Meyer at the Sound Mind Sound Body Academy, and how he thinks its unfair that high school kids have to pay to travel and visit Universities. (emphasis mine)

"It is one of the problems I have now with collegiate athletics. It's almost anti-student-athlete where they have to come to us for camp," Meyer said. "How many kids can afford to fly or drive that far?

The article makes it seem that Urban is seeing how difficult it is to get his Florida kids up to Ohio to visit.  I dont recall him ever having this complaint when he was at Florida, though honestly I didn't follow him that closely then. 

I also thought this excerpt was interesting:

When Meyer first heard about the camp, he actually went to his compliance office at Ohio State because he couldn't believe it was allowed under NCAA rules. Compliance told him it was, so he showed up along with the majority of his coaching staff.

Makes it seem as though he was going to try and call the NCAA on Hoke and Co, but then decided to join instead and take advantage of seeing some of these kids in person.

Thoughts?

Link:http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/8047097/urban-meyer-ohio-state-buckeyes-irked-high-school-athletes-pay-travel

 

 

 

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June 13th, 2012 at 9:44 PM | Regarding your second point - (Score:5 Normal)
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Regarding your second point - you are really looking into it way too much.

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June 13th, 2012 at 9:47 PM | Interesting (Score:4 Normal)
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The compliance portion is pretty funny.  I will say with their track record lately though, I would have done that same thing, reaching out to compliance.

I think you do have a point with the Florida recruit thoughts.  I have to believe with the good guys getting a decent pick of the litter out of that state, and him figureing the Florida crew will just run to him, there is real concern on his end, and I can see him grasping at straws for a quick fix.....such as paid travel, etc...

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June 14th, 2012 at 1:22 AM | He probably noted how easy it (Score:1)
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He probably noted how easy it was for RR to get kids from Florida.

"After all was said and done, there was nothing left to do."

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June 14th, 2012 at 9:37 AM | Although, if I were Urban (Score:2 Normal)
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I may seek a 2nd and 3rd opinion when it comes to that compliance department.

Just sayin'

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June 14th, 2012 at 12:31 PM | Yeah, (Score:1)
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...that's what I thought too.  Of course, OSU's compliance department would say it's okay.  They seem to think that everything is okay in Columbus.

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June 13th, 2012 at 9:47 PM | I think you're really reaching (Score:5 Normal)
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with these quotes/excerpts.  I'm not saying that schools paying for camp travel is the solution, but I think he makes a good point about kids and their parents having to fork over tons of dough to travel to camp.  I know my parents couldn't have afforded that when I was a kid.

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June 13th, 2012 at 9:55 PM | Ostensibly, these camps are (Score:5 Normal)
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Ostensibly, these camps are supposed to be for local players to improve their games.  If Meyer sees them as recruiting events, well, they are, but they're not supposed to be primarily recruiting events and he's lost touch if he thinks so.

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June 13th, 2012 at 9:48 PM | my main thought: (Score:5 Normal)
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September can't come soon enough.

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June 13th, 2012 at 10:31 PM | November 24, can't get here (Score:1)
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November 24, can't get here soon enough.

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June 13th, 2012 at 9:49 PM | Not off Point #2 (Score:3 Normal)
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He did state he was actually going to call NCAA on eastern Michigan

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June 14th, 2012 at 1:29 AM | Or, as we refer to them: (Score:1)
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that Eastern school up North.

"After all was said and done, there was nothing left to do."

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June 13th, 2012 at 9:49 PM | Urban's right (Score:5 Normal)
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I don't see any reason why a kid shouldn't be allowed to take an official visit anytime. You still only get 5, so use them wisely.

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June 13th, 2012 at 9:50 PM | First point, I'm on board (Score:2 Underrated)
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First point, I'm on board with you. Second one? not so much. I agree with bacon

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June 13th, 2012 at 10:22 PM | One should never argue with (Score:2 Normal)
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One should never argue with bacon...

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June 13th, 2012 at 10:04 PM | They can just pay for kids to (Score:3 Underrated)
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They can just pay for kids to come on an official visit. He just has to wait till high school classes start up in the fall. Obviously he wants to see them up on campus earlier than that but its not like he can't get a kid to campus at all because the kid doesn't have enough money

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June 13th, 2012 at 10:14 PM | Well, Technically... (Score:3 Underrated)
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Section 13.7.1 of the NCAA Division I Handbook:

 

"A prospective student-athlete may visit a member institution’s campus at his or 
her own expense an unlimited number of times. A prospective student-athlete may make unofficial visits before his or her senior year in high school."
 
So, Meyer would pretty much have to lobby for a rule change here. However, camps such as SMSB are a great outreach  for local talent and can serve to bring the school closer to them in a sense, but these camps are supposed to be mostly instructional in nature, if I am not mistaken, as they should be. I do understand his point, however - none of this is cheap and not everyone can exactly haul off and go to Ann Arbor or Columbus or wherever on a whim. That being said, the rule on five official visits is pretty fair, I think, but Meyer really does raise a valid concern here. 
 
As for the second point, later in Section 13, the rules regarding camps and clinics, both institutional and privately, are pretty explicit - these things are completely acceptable provided they are not actively  used to scout or recruit (i.e., formal presentations or distribution of material or really anything that looks like an active attempt). 
 
 

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June 13th, 2012 at 10:28 PM | The rule does (Score:1)
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seam outdated. It certainly appears this rule can't hurt the SEC plus Texas schools.

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June 13th, 2012 at 10:10 PM | Look, I get Meyer is our rival, but (Score:5 Normal)
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do we really have to stretch so far to try and make him look like a fool? It's been like 11Warriors today. Make fun of him for sleeping with a co-ed or something, you don't have to reach like this.

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June 13th, 2012 at 10:22 PM | It's just like after the (Score:2)
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It's just like after the Stoneburner situation, some people were trying to suggest that Meyer only suspended him to try and force Hoke to suspend Cambell. He's not some evil genius guys

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June 13th, 2012 at 11:12 PM | You're right. (Score:3 Normal)
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I don't think anyone would label him a genius.

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June 14th, 2012 at 1:27 AM | Here we go again... (Score:2 Normal)
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allegedly.

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June 13th, 2012 at 10:10 PM | Hate to say it (Score:4 Normal)
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But I agree with Urb. It shouldn't be a burden on kids to be recruited. If schools are interested, they should be allowed to pay to have a kid on campus in time to be in the running (we have seen first hand how spots can fill before official visits). Even it helps OSU, I can't be against Meyer saying something that transfers financial burden from highschoolers and their families to the schools.

Warning: My imagination is inefficient.

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June 13th, 2012 at 10:19 PM | This change will never happen (Score:3 Underrated)
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This change will never happen though because of the competitive advangtage that richer schools (i.e. Michigan and Ohio) will have over other schools

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June 13th, 2012 at 10:39 PM | Do schools (Score:1)
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Now pay for official visits? If so, then extending (backward) the period when these are allowed would go some of the way toward fixing this, and not change things financially for the schools.

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June 13th, 2012 at 11:08 PM | Schools do reimburse for (Score:2)
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Schools do reimburse for official visits. So, I guess my thoughts would be they should be able to extend the period backwards to include the summer before senior year. That way, recruits don't have issues with timing and such. 

HOWEVER, the first problem with this is that the coaches typically get some time off in the summer and that would be gone now. Also, if you just extend the period for official visits back you run the risk of just pushing commitments back earlier and unofficial visits back earlier, which would accomplish nothing possitive. So, it could go both ways, either good or bad. But I'm inclined to think including the summer (or a part of the summer) as a time when official visits can be taken would be a good thing

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June 14th, 2012 at 7:30 AM | ncaa has quiet (Score:2)
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periods and this vacation period which given the timing of the events in off season could easily be added as a quiet time. does not need to be all or nothing.

ncaa needs a Bill Simmons commissioner of common sense.

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June 13th, 2012 at 10:13 PM | pt. 2 sounds like he's trying (Score:2 Underrated)
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pt. 2 sounds like he's trying to portray himself as Mr. Compliance.
I don't blame him with all eyes on Columbus after the Tressel fiasco

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June 13th, 2012 at 10:13 PM | This must stop. (Score:3 Underrated)
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This must stop.

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June 13th, 2012 at 10:33 PM | Changing Times (Score:1)
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Recruiting has become a vastly different animal in even the last 5 years wtih the proliferation of social media and recruiting websites, blogs, etc.  Everyone wants to know why players from the west coast are not out to Michigan earlier to do unofficial visits (Cravens, Vanderdoes, etc) but for many is it just not financially an option.

I think that a fair alternative would be to allow recruits to take up to 10 visits to the school(s) of their own choice after they begin their junior years in HS.  This would allow for attending camps and an official or even two to the same school.  As the schools would be funding this, it is up to them to budget for and fund the visits and make the determinations on how serious the mutual process is.  

Many coaches want kids to camp to evaluate and get to know the players and vise versa.  As the recruiting budgets from ESPN yesterday shows, schools already self-select their level of funding currently, and this would most likely not really increase the costs significantly as coaches are already visiting many of these recruits multiple times across the country to try to sell them on an unseen product.

Just my two cents.

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June 13th, 2012 at 10:39 PM | I don't really (Score:2 Normal)
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I don't really see what's wrong with what he said.

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June 13th, 2012 at 11:05 PM | dude hasn't coached (Score:1)
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a single down for that team and I'm already tired of hearing about him and what he thinks about this or that.

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June 13th, 2012 at 11:07 PM | Paid visits? (Score:2)
StateSmells
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Seems like there's already a process in place exactly for this - official visits. 

Of course that doesn't help when mom and dad want to come, too.  Nor does it address the acceleration of all aspects of recruiting, where so many kids are committing before they are even eligible to take those official visits.

And, of course every situation is different, and this may be an inappropriate sweeping generalization, but aren't you asking for problems with getting a kid from a thousand miles away when he doesn't have the means to travel back home or have his parents come and visit or see him play once in a while?  Seems like it forces the kid into a potentially lonely on-campus existence that could result in a messy transfer to a closer-to-home school later.

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June 13th, 2012 at 11:17 PM | well if you drive then your (Score:2)
wolverine_chemist
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well if you drive then your parents get their transportation paid for. I think its just air travel that is prospect only. Also the food and lodging is free for the parents. your point remains valid though especially for a kid coming up from florida or california.

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June 14th, 2012 at 9:16 AM | Good knowledge! (Score:1)
Vote_Crisler_1937
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You are correct on all of the above. However I once took a visit to a particularly smarmy BIG coach who told my parents to drive because it would be covered, but never helped my parents get the gas money reimbursed. The AD never did get back to us about that. I guess he met my parents and figured we could afford it or something. Hopefully he never pulled that on a kid who couldn't.

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June 14th, 2012 at 7:27 AM | You can't take any official (Score:2)
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You can't take any official visits until your senior year of high school has started

If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?

StraightDave owes me a steak dinner

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June 13th, 2012 at 11:51 PM | “I’ve known Urban a long (Score:5 Normal)
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“I’ve known Urban a long time,” Hoke said during the Sound Mind, Sound Body football camp at Southfield High School. “We’ve got a good relationship."

Hoke is high-road all the time. 

Recruits notice that.  So too do parents.

Hoke is 100% class act.

Midwestern born and raised ... now living in the heat of the Arizona desert

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June 14th, 2012 at 6:56 AM | Actually his statement makes (Score:1)
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Actually his statement makes less sense now then ever. Coaches now a days should need these camps less then ever with all the film of these kids.

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June 14th, 2012 at 8:57 AM | WE obviously know that Urbs (Score:-1 Trolling)
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WE obviously know that Urbs knows nothing about NCAA rules judging by his track record of infractions. Second, this camp has been going on so if it was not biding by the rules I think the NCAA would have caught on by now to a freaking camp. His ignorance amazes me. He is really just jealous that we have taken the top talent from Ohio and Michigan and he is left to scramble outside the region. WE ALL know Urbs does not care about the kids, he just cares about winning. #Snake#typicalOhiocoach#ClassAboveTrash#Go Blue!! ( I know you love all of those hashtags, dont lie)

A buckeye is nothing but a hair-less NUT!

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June 14th, 2012 at 11:37 AM | Something to ponder...... (Score:1)
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Joined: 06/25/2011
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If OHIO needs to provide cars to athletes so they can get to practice/class, what will Urb recommend recruits need to make it to campus from so far away?  Limousines, helicopters, private jets?  And I'm sure he'll feel it necessary to provide a nice co-ed for the trip, you know, since they might get lonely being so far away from home and all.  I mean, he needed a co-ed with all his job stress, travel, and long hours. I mean, it only makes sense that these high school boys would need one too.  What a slime ball............

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