I'd be ecstatic
I'd be ecstatic
that alone would be worth it. . .
We coulda had Meyer if we let the RR debacle go one more year.
Give him a blank check. Tell him he can write as many zeros as he wants on it, and we'll pay him that, as long as he accepts the head coaching job.
I love Hoke as a person and a representative of our great university, but if Saban came out tomorrow and said he'd like to coach here, I'd be okay with showing Hoke the door. Yes, that's cold and maybe a horrible thing to say, but college football is a business, and if you want the top results, like we all claim to do, you have to pay top dollar for them.
Maybe Hoke can win a national championship one day. But Saban's already won 4, and is about to make it 5. I'll take the proven commodity and undisputed king of college football.
There's an exchange in a book I like that has one character offer a check for charity or something and says, "whatever number you write on this check is less than I would have written myself" or something to that effect.
In reality though, do you really think Saban would be able to stop writing zeros long enough to hand the check over?
Did ESPN hear about most of the UM freshmen transferring to other teams? Sounds like a big story to me.
Ace Williams is a deranged high school student. That's all you need to know.
Dantonio to Texas!
Dantonio to Texas!!
Dantonio to Texas!!!
(just because I started the rumor doesn't make it not true)
Bring Miles to Michigan.
there is a young, tough coach at Vandy who knows how to recruit at a strong academic school, knows how to win big games (beat Georgia and Tenn. this year) and most of all, knows how to win on a BIG stage - the SEC.
He'd look pretty darn good in maize and blue............
Anyways, Hoke isn't going anywhere. You also cannot assume success here at UM. Hoke had a difficult rebuild at BSU and did it, yet you want him fired after two mediocre seasons. You and your fellow anti-Hokians lack of patience would make any coach hesitant to come here.
This isn't Ball State--or maybe it is, now. Would OSU or any top notch program accept two mediocre seasons? Remember John Cooper was two years removed from an 11-1 season. Two 4 loss seasons and he got the boot. Look how good of a decision that was...
Woody lost a third of his games the first three years, about the same as Hoke and in an era of unlimited scholarships when it was easier for the big schools to win big. They only finished ranked once, #17 his second year. And it's not like he had a stellar record coming in--he'd only coached two years at what would now be D1 level.
Then the fourth year they went undefeated, won a Rose Bowl. Hopalong won a Heisman the fifth year. They were probably pretty happy they held their nerve.
He only talks about the anecdotes that fit his narrative, ie. Dantonio going 6-7 in year three - because we all know the ultimate goal is to be like State, not the OSU's or USC's of the world.
"Hoke had a difficult rebuild at BSU and did it"
Ball St. under Bill Lynch (Hoke predecessor): 37-53, 41.1%
Ball St. under Brady Hoke: 30-39, 43.4%
Ball St. in 3 years prior to Brady Hoke:
Ball St. under Brady Hoke:
That doesn't look like a "difficult rebuild". That looks like a 5 year run of pretty much exactly what came before under the previous coach, and then one outlier.
Coach Franklin down at Vandy is a tough SEC coach who knows how to win. His price could be right. Read below:
"Franklin's pay would place him in the bottom quarter of Southeastern Conference football head coaches. And for 2011, it was less than the amount Vanderbilt reported for Kevin Stalling, the men's basketball coach. "
No, Franklin is not under consideration because Hoke is going nowhere.
You're entitled to your opinion, and your assertion "Hoke is going nowhere" is just that. An opinion. We get it.
Do you seriously think Hoke is going to be fired?
I don't, but it's pretty stupid to make anything definitive when we still have a potential nuclear event happening on Saturday. There's no reason to believe a mass firing isn't off the table.
blows UM out. It would have to take a 50-0 type game where the team quits which I do not foresee happening.
but what do you do after 2014? You keep bringing up the fact that Dantonio went 6-7 in year 3. Now aside from the fact that this proves nothing (Nick Saban won the National Championship in his third year, as did Lloyd Carr...), Dantonio also went 11-2 in his fourth year, won the legends division, and nearly made it to the Rose Bowl. Is that what you're predicting for Hoke next year?
Back-to-back 7-6 seasons and 0-4 against MSU/OSU is highly likely, and if that happens, Hoke is toast whether he deserves it or not. A win against OSU this year or a win against MSU/OSU in 2014 could buy him 2015, but how likely is that?
Maybe by the end of 2014 Harbaugh will have won the Super Bowl and will be tired of the NFL. Yup that's the best I've got at this point.
My money is on Franklin winding up at Texas
I do not support getting rid of Brady Hoke, but if we had a head coaching vacancy this would be the first call I would want Brandon to make.
I'm all for it. I want to win now.
I agree with jmblue, Miles is getting up there in age, makes tons of $$, and is the biggest gig in his state. Highly doubt he is moving north. Gotta believe DB gives Hoke 1-2 more years, perhaps not with Borges though.
...but that doesn't mean he's asked for his last raise.
He just signed a four-year extension with the Ravens widely reported to pay him $7 million per year. Unless people are fantasizing that he'll take a multi-million dollar pay cut to come to Ann Arbor, David Brandon would have to ante up three times what he's paying Hoke, plus the buyout, plus increased assistant salaries for the guys Harbaugh would want to bring with him.
Anyone who links to that website should be smack with a salmon.
Is the money not there? DB is spending 9.5 million ro renovate the field hockey facility. 25 million on an indoor rowing facility. A competent football coach is an infinitely better use of that money.
I don't want miles. He seems to be a pretty damn good coach but age and the fact he seems to have skeletons in his closet seem to have disaster written all over it.
I think Hoke is safe for one more year. Not sure I like that or not but I don't see Brandon pulling the trigger yet. Now if we get wiped up and down the field against osu then who knows.
I do think if Brandon decided to make a change this year, you only do it if it's one of the harbaughs. Anything else is settling. I don't have reason to think they would come but it would be a grand slam with either one of them. You satisfy the people who want a Michigan man, and more importantly you would get one of the best coaches in football period. A urban Meyer like coach but someone who does it the right way with respect. If we can get either of those two guys, keep hoke and fire Borges on Monday.
I agree with Borges and Funk getting there walking papers; however, Strength and Conditioning coach Welman needs the axe as well. This team lacks toughness and strength. They can't move the lines of scrimmage which to me indicates lack of strength.
Bring on The Mad Hatter!!!!!! I'm tired of 7-5 or 8-4 seasons.
as juniors and seniors do you? And it takes more than jsut strength to move guys. It takes technique as well which these guys seem to be lacking.
That is a true statement that you always get stronger with age. I strongly disagree with your premiss that a modern day division I S&C program can't add quality size and strength in a year or less.
With the nutrition program that these guys work with, and then getting in the gym one to two extra times a week than the normal three, they should be way, way stronger than they are showing on the field. Regardless, it's time to consider worse case scenarios.
I get the feeling that since we got hit with the over hours situations, that the expectation is the do the minimum or trend close to the rules; rather than what everyone else does, which is more, more and more. Right or wrong, you look and some of the athletes on OSU, MSU, Wisconsin, and every other SEC team, we are no where near bigger, faster or stronger.
So what is the excuse for Taylor Lewan playing his freshman year?
He didn't play his freshmen year, he redshirted -- that's why he is a 5th year Senior. The devil is in the details.
Lewan started his redshirt freshman year, like Kalis and Magnuson whom are redshirt freshmen as well.
If Borges is fired, then who replaces him? I'm not serious enough a fan to be able to rattle off hot OCs' names. Also, I assume a new OC would have to be able to work with the players in place and in the pipeline (in other words, not a spread guy). So, to the 5000 people who want Al gone, who do you like in his place?
There have been whole threads on this here and at GBMW. The Stanford guy would be a good bet. Honestly, there are dozens of guys out there in OC and positional coach roles that would come in and immediately do better than Borges. Even if he does start making better decisions, he's lost all credibility with players and fans. Unfortunately that never completely comes back.
He's lost credibility with which players, and how do we know this?
it was good.
I dont think it is that far out to say that the players have lost faith in borges - you are correct in that we do not know this, but I am not sure that is the right question. Out of the key 20-30 players that play each game (roughly) I dont think it is out of control to say some of the guys are just pissed they are not performing up to percieved standards. I am not sure anyone would be completely happy with how things have transpired
I suspect you're right--few if any of the players feel like their performiance is up to snuff, and even the people that knew this year would be rough aren't happy with the experience. I'd be disappointed if I found out otherwise.
But to pretend, without evidence, that this means Borges has lost his half of the team, or there's some sort of insurrection...that's just people yelling crap into the echo chamber. And I'm a little tired of the crap.
If I had to guess something, without any information but just based on the athletes and coaches I've been around, most of the people involved have their finger pointed primarily at themselves. Lewan's pissed at Lewan, Gardner's pissed at Gardner, Funchess is pissed at Funchess, Borges is pissed at Borges, Hoke's mad at Hoke, etc.
When it's the other way, when they're turning on each other, there are signs, like the near-fistfight between the coaches on the Illinois sideline a couple of weeks ago. We're not seeing or hearing any of that. Just the fanbase, but that's what fans do I suppose. It's not like we can blame ourselves.
I thought about Stanford's OC but wonder if he'd prefer to stay there.
I also did search for threads with actual names but could only find one that was 95% jokes. The only serious answers I saw were Minny's and Missouri's OCs. So that's why I asked. I was curious about specific options.
Alabama's OL coach, Oregon State OC to name a couple more.
Charlie Taaffe at UCF, could still coach for a few years
Always have 2 QBs ready. Check out offensive stats from 09 to Present
Rushing stats improve every year, and only slightly dips when star RBs graduate
QBs from 09-Present all improves in TD-INT ratio and completion rates
2 QBs ready also ensures no "unprepared Bellomy" like Nebraska 2012.
For OL coach, look at Adrian Klemm
Similar to us in inexeprience for OLine players in 2013.
Steady rushing and pass protection in SMU and UCLA (also differing style in both schools, shows ability to adapt)
Also a great recruiter, i think named by some sites as best PAC 12 assistant as a recruiter
They need to fire Borges, Jackson, Funk and Ferrigno. Give special teams duty to someone else. Heclinski did quite well recruiting for Michigan and an OK job with receivers. Let him coach the TEs too.
Also need to examine 1. whether there's a need for a QB coach 2. Changes in S&C coach/staff
Don't fire Brady Hoke now under any circumstances short of his having violated the terms of his contract. If Michigan’s offense performs as poorly next Saturday as it has during three of the past four games, even if the defense continues to show sparks of improvement and keeps the final score closer than anticipated:
Michigan’s previous head football coach (a man who gave little concern to how his defenses were run) still might have that job if he’d (a) never traded a competent defensive coordinator for an inept one after one year on the job, (b) fired that inept defensive coordinator after his second year of making the Wolverines’ defense a complete wreck (after the man had done the same when he was head coach and co-defensive coordinator at Syracuse during the previous four seasons) and (c) then agreed to hire a new defensive coordinator who’d be given full control over the hiring of his assistants.
Brady has plenty of input into the offensive game plan. The issue is, and it is blatantly obvious, is that he thinks we can play like Iowa or Wisconsin right now. Or worse, he is delusional enough to think that we are the Michigan of 1997 every year.
We have a cultural problem of thinking being a football player at Michigan is good enough to win games, and not do what needs to be done behind the scenes. I think as fans we get tired of hearing the coaches sing the gospel, but then the product is soft and underwhelming. I am also tired of every ten years one senior class decides that we need to work hard and just win a la 1997 and 2006. It would be nice to have that mentality every year. If we have a winning tradition, then do it every year not every ten.