The blame Borges crap is getting old
a terrible blight on our fine country
The blame Borges crap is getting old
Well he does pick the terrible Power ISO's that gain no yards every drive and he is the fuckin QB coach.. so the 2 area's that have regressed the most are his problem
Oh not the qb who would rather take a 10 yard loss over throwing the ball away. or having a young interior o line? or the qb who doesn't throw receivers open? the interceptions and fumbles are all Al's fault too? People keep talking about bad schemes yet they have been so simplified to help the lack of talent. What more could Borges do? Little inside info for you, no matter what play is called it will not work if your players dont have the ability to execute
Everything you have said does not explain why the offense has regressed. None of these explain gaining a mere 6 years in the second half of Iowa game (ignoring the last drive). Your excuses may explain why we are not #1 through #6 in total offense in BIG, but cannot explain what we are dead last and dead last in the entire country in terms of negative yards. This whole arguments about young interior O line is getting tiring.
Sherithreat was better than this. Come on
How many yards did Devin go backwards?
You act as though Devin holding on to the ball to long or running backwards is the root of the offenses problem or can't be fixed. It can! The coaches should have sat Devin on the bench for a drive or two. Let him know it's unacceptable. Hold him accountable. But you know why Borgess or Hoke didn't? Because Borges just calls plays and sees what happens and a few of those times Devin holding on to the ball paid off in a big play allowing Michigan to score and win taking pressure off of both coaches. If Gardner is the problem of the offense then that is also lack of coaching not having your 5 star quarterback ready to take over for him. I think most fans knew this year would be tough. I actually thought the team could lose up to 3-4 games this year, but it's the way they lost them and lack of improvement.
The buck stops with the coaches. Period. It's pretty telling that Gardner was a far better QB after practicing as a WR for 2/3 the last season last year.
Tell me then what Borges should do?
I dont think you know
It became clear to me during the Akron game exactly what was wrong with Gardner and what he needed. And honestly, I think I could've done it, from my wrestling coaching experience. Gardner has all the tools to be incredibly successful. He's a freak athlete. His skills didn't change; his thoughts did.
He is weak mentally and needs to KNOW he is the best athlete on the field. What happened during Akron after the first bad drive was he was broken mentally. His game remained there for weeks. That's why he wouldn't attempt passes the rest of the game after the interception and why he didn't for the next couple games.
Gardner doesn't need someone to teach him better technique. Not primarily. He needs someone in his ear whispering, "You're a stud. You're the qb for Michigan. No one can touch you. When you walk on that field you make plays happen. No matter what just happened, you're in control of this game because you're Devin freakin' Gardner. And you CAN'T lose."
Gardner needs to be coached to win the mental game, which is the hardest competitor in every sport, and that is the game he's been losing most weeks. THAT is what a good qb coach would recognize, what some bum who knows little about football but has coached championship athletes and teams in another sport can see, and what he would do. Gardner's game could turn around if he were coached to mentally take his competition to their breaking point and never reach his. It's a paradigm shift that eliminates fear.
Succeed or GTFO
Nice answer , I admire people who can talk shit but dont have a solution for the problem
in obvious passing situations would be a nice start.
Al Borges gets paid to have the solution, not us.
I know Michigan fans dont want to hear this, but as of right now this offense has no talent no matter who the OC is
Less than optimal talent/experience sure. But no talent, that is just flat out nonsense.
I am really starting to think you may be Al Borges, that is the only explanation for that level of nonsense.
How many starters are not four or five stars? Two, maybe three? I know that is not he best indicator of talent but I am sure Iowa would love to have our lack of talent.
Iowa would not trade their line for ours.
The rest of your point stands, but this line is shit.
...or maybe eleven. At Rivals:
Jibreel Black, Jake Ryan, Courtney Avery, Frank Clark, Desmond Morgan, Graham Glasgow, Devin Funchess, Drew Dileo, Jehu Chesson, Joe Kerridge, Thomas Gordon
While his numbers may be slightly off the overall argument is still valid, there are other teams that are doing more with less. Weisman was a scout team FB for Iowa at the start of the last year, for example.
When every fact adduced to your argument turns out to be wrong it's a bit embarrassing to then say the facts are irrelevant and the argument holds anyway.
Five offensive starters weren't four stars. Two of the starting linemen were on the scout team last year and one was in high school, as was the tight end that's getting most of the playing time now that Funchess has moved to receiver. And as was the running back that's now getting most of the carries even if he isn't the nominal starter.
Wisconsin's fourth- and fifth-year three-stars are better than our four-star freshmen. As were our fifth-year three- and two-stars last year. That's the way it works, it's a rare player that's ready to go at FBS level straight out of high school--you could put an all-star team of the best 22 high school players on the field and they'd get their clocks cleaned by even a poor college team.
We had two years of abysmal recruiting, though it didn't show up so much in the recruiting rankings because those are based on average star-level. The assumption, I suppose, is that everyone wil use up all their scholarships and will have the sense to make sure they've got sufficient numbers in every position group.
We didn't. And now we don't. Barring a lot of transfers, which Michigan has never made easy, there's no quick fix. It's like Navarre's freshman year, or Sheridan/Threet, except at several positions at once.
Exactly. Winning in college football really comes down to superior talent and/or schematic advantage. In most games we have a talent advantage and a schematic disadvantage. Baylor doesn’t have superior talent, but wins because of their scheme. Alabama wins because of their superior talent.
I was referencing the offensive players, but you are making my point for me. Compare the talent of our defense and offense and then view their respective results.
So the answer is three including a fullback (not may FBs are four stars), four if we trot out that new fangled three wide receiver set with Dileo? Funchess was a 247 composite four star.
The 2008 offense, which was so rightfully pilloried for a lack of talent:
Better receivers if you go by recruiting rankings, and in quantity. Three quality running backs, all experienced. The only issues were at TE and FB, which weren't going to matter much in RR's offense anyway, and there's two three-stars on the line instead of a walkon, which is probably a wash.
That's pretty good. Iowa would kill for that kind of talent.
Why did we go 3-9 again?
(Mostly because of inexperience, obviously.)
No, we went 3-9 because RR didn't know how to use the talent that existed on the team. A good coach can maximize the players that are part of the team. Jim Tressel was a master of that. He won with Craig Krenzel and Troy Smith, two vastly different QBs. If RR was a good coach we could have won more games with Threet, instead he force that square peg in a round hole and told everyone to have patience. In the same manner, Borgess is forcing this team to play his style when that probably isn't the best maximization of talent.
That was the right choice on Rich's part. He was a successful coach because he'd designed a very successful offensive scheme. He's one of the greatest offensive innovators ever, right up there with the guys that designed the wishbone and the T and the single wing. Bringing him on and telling him "we have to win NOW so you have to scrap all that" would have been insane, given the youth on the team. It was time to make the transition right then, when you're breaking in a lot of new guys anyway.
And it worked. Two years later that offense was a thing of beauty and if it hadn't been for all the other catastrophes--the defensive meddling, the awful recruiting--no one would have cared any more about '08.
What happens when you cannot recruit the players that fit your scheme or the ones you recruit don't pan out or are injured? Occasionally going 3-9 or 5-7 with a couple of 10 seasons here and there is ok at West Virginia our Arizona but this fan base requires more consistency.
RR could have transitioned his offense with Threet and still fully implemented it when Denard arrived. I think this strategy would have probably won a few more games during the black hole years and allowed Dave Brandon to keep him one more year. But because he was an offensive genius and his system was superior, he felt he could make any players work in his system.
That was Hoke/Borges's strategy--they ran spread stuff for Denard and made the transition slowly, putting a lot of it off for a couple of years. That too was probably a rational choice; they could see on the depth chart that it was the third year that they'd be breaking in all the new guys so that was a good year to target for implementation.
And I guess it's sort of worked--it's been ugly at times but we've somehow gotten through it \without a single losing season.
As far as RR's concerned, I don't think he thought he could make any players work in his system. I'm sure he knew that first year was going to be rough. But his players had to learn it sometime and there was no point in putting it off.
The point is that inflexibility will lose games and cost coaches jobs. Hoke/Borgess want to run manball with a team that is not best suited for it. I respect that Borgess was somewhat flexible for a couple of years but he needed to find a way to win with the team he has now. I know the interior of the line is young but he has coached for 30+ years, he must have seen some strategy that can minimize that shortfall. He is the third highest paid offensive coordinator, not some guy who was a GA two years ago. Expectations were high for Borgess and Mattison one had succeeded with the talent that he has (and helped recruit it) and other has faltered.
No talent? Strange you say that considering gallon will break Braylon Edwards season record for all time yards at WR...
Gallon and Funchess will also break the combined receiving yards ever by 2 WR at michigan as well.. but they are worthless right?
fucking idiot who has no clue what he is talking about
Way to contribute
Because it seems your logic is a team's performance 100% correlates with the players ability only and the coaching is not a factor one bit.
And you want direct solutions. I'll give you one. Not doing play-action on 3rd and long.
Just curious, what is your relationship to Al Borges?
He is Al Borges, the 248 is his weight.
Thank you for your contribution
he is doing what he can do and it isnt working.
the fact is coordinators get fired over this kind of futility, and the box scores (aka his performance reviews) back this up.
Prepare his players in practice. Develop them. Make them accountable. Go on an Atkins or paleo diet .
Borges is also the QB coach fyi...
I can tell you to do something does that mean you will?
Just making a point Borges is responsible for calling the plays AND coaching the QB. He keeps calling WTF plays and putting the team in bad down and distances. You should also call plays that play to the teams strengths...and he is not doing that all the time either.
Sure devin makes some mistakes but they should be corrected by coaching, which Al Borges is responsible for. Also why dont you try and get sacked 20 times in 4 weeks and see how well you throw the ball and make decisions.
You act like Borges has zero responsibility for any of that. Who is developing offensive talent? Who is giving the players a system to flourish in? Who is coaching the QB that has so dramatically regressed from last year's darling to this year's tire fire? You can say there are talent issues limiting offensive performance. That's true. What you can't say is that the offensive coaching staff is blameless for what's being put on the field these days.
I never once stated none of this is the staffs fault. I'm saying its a team effort from Borges to the players.
A little inside info. It doesn't matter how good your players are when the other team knows the play and beats them to the spot. Al Borges is probably a great human being, but this year has been terrible and if you don't think that he has a brutal year calling plays you simply are refusing to see that a change has to be made. I get so sick of hearing about the inexperience on our Oline. Alabama had a young line coming into this year as well. You know what? They are still going to the national titile game again. Our coaches don't develop talent on offence and as a coach that is the one aspect that you have to do.
When you're dialing up play-action passing on 3rd and long you've got to be just downright stupid. Why would play-action make any defensive player bite when Michigan has had no threat to run the ball? Just one instance of why Borges is clueless.
That is actually one of my issues with the play calling, at least one user can back up his views
How about on first and goal from the two (and again from the one) when Borges calls for the extra heavy set to try to pound the ball in the endzone, even though we haven't been able to make positive yardage running the ball without spreading it out all year. And then, when they get the gift of a penalty on a play that lost 4 yards, he calls the exact same play, and gets the same result.
You list all of the things outside of Borges' control that play a part in why our offense is so bad, but isn't his job to adjust, work around those limitations and make something work? All he does is try the same stuff all the time, regardless of their success. When he does try something different (like a bubble screen) and it works, he doesn't go back to it.
So you're saying put the ball in Devin's hand so he can run backwards or throw a pick?