ESPN Postulates 3 big changes coming for Wolverines

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http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/travis-haney/post/_/id/3557/big-changes…

I'm a believer that the more you see this stuff, the more likely it is to become real.  The court of media is very convincing (Just ask Winston) no matter if it is how it should be or not.  It's one thing to have blogs and sidebar sports sites saying Hoke has a hot seat.  When ESPN starts pushing the "It's a done deal" line things tend to sprial out of control.  

MOD EDIT - the entire article plus what was behind the Insider link was posted in here. Let's try to leave some value for the authors themselves, please. - LSA

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The FannMan

September 21st, 2014 at 1:57 PM ^

This article is sourced on quotes from one unidentified Pac-12 coach - who may be recruiting against Michigan - and an unnamed "friend" of Miles.  I wonder if this friend is Les's agent who gets a commission from LSU every time the Michigan job opens up.  Seems like the kind of crap that ESPN puts out to generate hits from a large and unhappy fan base.

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maizenblue92

September 21st, 2014 at 2:00 PM ^

If we can't get Harbaugh, I am all aboard the Mullen train. He has a .590 winning percentage at a place that wins 48% of it's games, he runs a modern offense, he is only 42, and has southern recruiting ties but also is from the Big Ten footprint. Possible bonus, Urban Meyer disciple, like Bo to Woody. 

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ndscott50

September 21st, 2014 at 2:01 PM ^

Would the regents have to fire Dave Brandon or can the president do it? If it's the president, and he is unhappy with the power of the athletic department, he could use the current debacle as a pretext to make a move. As a new president he likely has the political capital needed. It's doubtful the regents would want to turn on a university president they just hired.

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Wave83

September 21st, 2014 at 2:31 PM ^

I am pretty sure the President does not have authority to fire an AD in mid-contract an impose whatever contractual damages there are on the University without Regents support.  Even if he had the technical authority, politically it would be insane.

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Voltron is Handsome

September 21st, 2014 at 2:03 PM ^

Would love Les Miles, but he won't come here. Can we stop with the "Les Miles to Michigan" shit? We have gone through that twice already and I don't think a third time is needed. Jim and Les won't coach Michigan.

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True Blue Grit

September 21st, 2014 at 2:05 PM ^

Out of their ass.  Complete speculation with no facts behind it.  Who is going to fire DB?  As long as the department is still making money, and there's no reason to believe it won't this year, he will still be here.  It would take a major scandal for the President or regents to do anything.  Hoke will keep his job unless Brandon can get a clear, home run hire for coach.

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True Blue Grit

September 21st, 2014 at 2:05 PM ^

Out of their ass.  Complete speculation with no facts behind it.  Who is going to fire DB?  As long as the department is still making money, and there's no reason to believe it won't this year, he will still be here.  It would take a major scandal for the President or regents to do anything.  Hoke will keep his job unless Brandon can get a clear, home run hire for coach.

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Indiana Blue

September 21st, 2014 at 8:32 PM ^

That what this whole fucking blog has become.  Fire this, fire that, hire him ... 

Yeah I spent the entire day depressed (just like a lot of others) - I love Michigan football, I don't give a shit about any other team, or the B1G, or the NFL, etc.  I spend thousands of dollars every year just to be a part of Michigan football at Michigan Stadium and even a few away games.  

Everyone has an opinion, but since the Hoke hire to me ONLY 1 firing has been obvious, firing Al Borges.  The 27 for 27 was enough for me.  Even the struggles against Akron and UConn were nothing compared to PSU.  The other FACT (hoping Wolverine Devotee can give us some stats) is that DG is like the most turnover prone QB in Michigan football history.  DG is an incredible individual, well spoken, honorable, intelligent and is giving everything he has to Michigan.  The problem - he's simply not a big time QB.  No D coordinator is worried about DG torching a secondary - NONE!  Yes he has had 3 big games - but the WTF moments far outweigh the OMG moments.  When is the last time you said - wow, can you believe he made that pass!

Offensive failures deflate the defense too.  It's a cycle of doom.  I'm not sure if we have that bigtime QB right now ... but that's what this team needs.  We have talent - but sorry, DG is the weakest link in this offense, and he touches the ball on every single offensive play.  

I'm sad for Devin, and all of us true Blue Michigan fans.

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Sten Carlson

September 21st, 2014 at 2:09 PM ^

I've never really understood the hatred that many people feel towards Brandon, but I agree that I really don't want Brandon in charge of another coaching change at this point.  Further, I think if the Regents/Admin. need to finally and forever put "Bo's Legacy" to rest -- its had over 40 years in control of the program, ran off the first "outsider" that came in, and may now be clinging to Hoke because he's a "good guy" and for his connection to Bo/Mo/Carr and the 1997 NC Team.  As a member of that clique, I think Brandon needs to go as well, if that path is taken.

Further, I think Carr needs to retire completely.  Despite my respect for him, I was shocked that he was still on the payroll given the way he behaved during the RR hire/transition.  To me, his presence shows, unequivocally, that the "Bo Faction" is still firmly in power.

I've written about this extensively in here, and I think as this struggle continues, it's becoming obvious (at least to me) that the program will ultimately die unless Michigan decides begin anew, from the AD down to the GA's. 

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Sten Carlson

September 21st, 2014 at 2:23 PM ^

Thanks for the correction.  I didn't know that, obviously. 

But my larger point remains: Michigan is due for a complete changing of the guard with the "Bo Faction" (which Brandon and Hoke still represent) finally removed from power.

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Bando Calrissian

September 21st, 2014 at 2:26 PM ^

You do also realize that just about everyone in the expanding Athletic Department right now (it's something like all but 20-some employees, coaches inclusive) are Brandon hires, right?

But, hey, you had no idea Lloyd Carr has been gone for four years, so I can't imagine you're terribly on top of things.

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Sten Carlson

September 21st, 2014 at 2:30 PM ^

Bando,

I am agreeing with you.  Why the angst directed towards me.  I apologize for not knowing that Carr didn't still have an office and draw a salary.  Last I recall hearing, he had both.  Again, sorry that I am not as "on top of things" as you are.

All I am saying, is that I think Michigan needs to get rid of everyone associated with the football program, and start over.

No need to be douchy towards me.

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Sten Carlson

September 21st, 2014 at 3:09 PM ^

Not according to many in here.  They claim that "looking to the past" is what is holding Michigan back at this point. 

Bo had his time, and his legacy will always be part of Michigan.  But it's time to let some new blood into the program. 

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SalvatoreQuattro

September 21st, 2014 at 2:49 PM ^

If Michigan played like Bo's teams they'd win a lot more games. Fundamentally sound, discipline, physical and mental toughness are the building blocks of all great programs regardless of what offensive and defensie systems they run. Michigan is  greatly lacking in both areas.

However, I do agree that the old guard has to to cleansed from the program as far as influence goes. It is an annuated collection of incompetents that fervently believe that because they played for Bo that they know how to run a program. Wrong. As seen with the Vanderbilts and Fords simply coming from a line of past immense success that does not mean that YOU will be a success. You must prove yourself to be their equal by accomplishment. This isn't a aristocracy, but a meritocracy.

Bo was and will always be Michigan football just as Yost and Crisler are. For Michigan football to win on the field TODAY they need another great coach who do what these men did in their time.Great coaching isn't about schemes, but how to get people to do what you want them to do consistently and with great effectiveness. That is what Michigan needs.  In that way adhering to Bo's legacy is not just a positive, but a necessity.

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Bando Calrissian

September 21st, 2014 at 3:22 PM ^

I really wish people would give it a rest with the Michigan Man shit. Literally no one brings it up except people who think it's actually a thing. No one.

And when you actually look at the context in which Bo used the term, it has absolutely no comparison to this at all.

But it's so much easier to erect the straw man and flog away.

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bighouse22

September 21st, 2014 at 4:07 PM ^

Yeah, let's all forget the fact that the AD played for Bo and the Head Coach worked under Carr, but no there is nothing to the thought process that a Michigan Man means ties to the program.  It's all about the message, right?  

Let's also ignore that Moeller (who was dismissed for his drunken behavior) coached under Bo and Carr coached under Bo and Hoke coached under Carr.  The only coach who wasn't directly tied in was RR.

Is that why no one associated with the football program is considered a "Michigan Man" unless they are somehow associated with Bo or his coaching tree?

I know, I know, what about Belein, but this is really a discussion about the football program.  The basketball program has gone outside the family since Fisher (the person who the phrase was coined after and who was forced out for the scandal that killed the BB program for a decade).  The "Michigan Man" shit is really only ever about the football program and the cronyism that is holding it back.

 

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bighouse22

September 21st, 2014 at 4:03 PM ^

You are correct about the intent of the term Michigan Man, but the practical application is that people with Michigan ties are the ones getting the support from the program and hold the 2 highest positions within the Football Program and Athletic Department.  The man who was not a part of "the family", RR was basically forced out in favor of someone with direct ties to the program.

There is some traction to the thought process that the entire department needs a cleansing or you will get stuck here again.  Not many from the Carr coaching tree have ever really accomplished much outside of Michigan.

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MGoBender

September 21st, 2014 at 4:23 PM ^

 

You are correct about the intent of the term Michigan Man, but the practical application is that people with Michigan ties are the ones getting the support from the program and hold the 2 highest positions within the Football Program and Athletic Department.

 

If you can't take the intent of the term as what it is and ignore the media trying to change it into what you call the "practical application," then I suspect you have never attended a Michigan commencement ceremony. A Michigan Man or Woman is a person with a high set of moral values, integrity, sense of hard work and tradition. Honorary degree recipients are often mentioned in connection to the term. It is not necessarily a synonym for "alumnus" or "former coach" and when you let the media tell you that, you're not thinking for yourself.

For everyone's bitching and whining, in my book, Rich Rodriguez was more of a Michigan Man than many of the alums that were in and around the athletic department between '07 and '09

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