why I find this shocking anymore... But I still do...
Farewell, Gene Smith... Don't worry, Gordon Gee has got your back.
why I find this shocking anymore... But I still do...
Farewell, Gene Smith... Don't worry, Gordon Gee has got your back.
Edit: Sorry, didn't see it posted down below... left here for ease of finding.
That we didn't land Pryor
They were obviously not gifts so this seems to be one big mistake and the NCAA can just head on home.....
I hope he signed each one with "everbody murders".
I hope he signed it with "Judas".
you rang? why would you hope he signed each one with me?
That's nothing. I made 65K last year hoein; and I didn't let my school or my teammates down.
Jesus fuck... I just barfed
Mr. Rogers...you dirty old man...
Gosh, I hope he invested wisely and made smart choices about how to put his money to work for him.
What am I talking about? Of course, he did. Kid's 21 and already has his own attorney. I'm sure he's got an accountant, too.
well, he certainly was not burdened with a car payment
For his sake, he also should have paid all his taxes on that money too. Otherwise the IRS might come asking questions. It's how they nailed Capone. Any U of M fans working at the IRS?
a fistfull of subpoenas who could give a shit if you are a student athlete or not. Remember Willem Dafoe as the head FBI investigator in Mississippi Burning, "Not only do I have the guts, I have the authority."
If true, every game, EVERY ONE, since he accepted the first dollar, would be a game in which he was ineligible.
I hope that Purdue loss is still there.
I was under the impression that when the NCAA invalidates seasons, it only takes away wins, no? So I would think Purdue would get to keep that win.
At least that is my understanding.
Pretty sure losses aren't vacated. Justice.
If he doesnt speak to contradict the accusations, the accusations may prove to be sufficient. The NCAA is not a court of law. There are no rules of evidence. What is tOSU going to argue if they feel their penalties are unfair....we only cheated all of our opponents for a decade a little as opposed to a lot....I dont think that is going to work so well since the press is chomping at the bit to hang the NCAA for inaction here.
It's less about the rules of evidence and more about the NCAA not needing to meet a burden of proof, which could make the accusations problematic for the program.
I would be astonished if the bylaws don't set a burden of proof.
Seriously, can this summer get any better? Best June ever. I can't wait for the NCAA committee meeting and watch the whole state of Ohio freak out.
I guess he wasnt lying when talking about selling items for his family, he was their sole source of income
shoes without some supplemental income.
I was like:
But now, I'm like:
This got a true LOL out of me. Well done sir. I almost wish Pryor had decided to stay just to be an even bigger distraction but that just couldnt be plausible with this bombshell dropping.
I love cats.
Despite the fact that your comment was upvoted to the max, I still upvoted that shit just on GP.
will want to have a little talk with him, also.
You can ignore the NCAA and hide behind your attorney...the IRS not so much
I just don't know if the dollars involved will get anyone excited about pursuing an investigation. There are bigger tax cheats out there to occupy their time.
You make an example of the few to influence the many. Looks like his stuff is sellling for a few bucks still...
I'm holding out for one with marijuana leaves on it.
this is true as this would be the final nail. HOWEVA.... 'former friend who witnessed it'?? Only thing worse would be jilted ex-baby mama.
first read: hilarious
second read: hmmm... there probably is one out there and she's probably got some stories to tell.
$20K-$40K..... which he promptly turned over to mom, who then bought her baby a sweet Nissan. All makes perfect sense now.
the exact same thing.
is an excellent point. If it goes to court proceedings...this would explode.
OMG, this could be fun for months and months...
I can't open the twitter link that the OP provided, so I can't tell if you guys have this info or not.
"The source said he spent nearly every day with Pryor before their relationship soured when Pryor began taking a more 'arrogant' attitude after his 2009-2010 season."
Wait a minute. There was a time he was LESS arrogant than he is now?
"The former friend said Pryor would spend his money lavishly at times, that the player had a "shoe fetish" and bought many expensive hats, belts and pieces of jewelry. He said he was particularly fond of Gucci items. ESPN independently confirmed Pryor made multiple such purchases."
"Pryor may not have been the first active Buckeye player to collect cash for signatures from Talbott. The parent of one former Ohio State player told "Outside the Lines" that he saw Talbott provide what he called "stacks of money" to active Buckeye players, including a player now in the NFL."
The first paragraph gives you facts that back up the former friend's allegations. The second paragraph gives you a whole new set of violations.
Well, that would tie in with the AJ Hawk story about how his apartment was robbed when he was at OSU and amongst the items listed as stolen in the police report were a rolex watch and $3000 in cash.
I am not saying that the NFL player mentioned is AJ Hawk, but I am strongly implying it.
Given the current levels of TP arrogance (currently measured by scientists as somewhere between "stupendous" and "astronomical") there's a lot of room below that to improve from.
IRS, come on down.
I've updated the post.
TERRELLE PRYOR OHIO STATE SIGNED 8X10 PHOTO GAI
Expedited shipping available
Opening Bid - just $9.95 The perfect gift for your best buddy from tsio !
Go Blue !
Can't see that much money being made from Pryor. I have seen anywhere between 20K and up. I guess we shall wait and see. If so, what could the NCAA do? That is alot of damn money!! Some people do not even make 40K a year. Tressel has to feel like he sold to get Pryor.
The friend says TP got $500-$1000 each time he signed items, and the friend saw him sign 35-40 items. He also says other football players were getting paid for things. This is going to end badly (for OSU).
I am to the point where I'm a bit scared for the rivalry, honestly. If they get hammered the way it looks now, there may not be a team in columbus. I'm not sure I want to beat there soccer team on the football field by 50 points for the next ten years. This is serious shit. 2x what they proved for USC and there's stil more comin'.
Let's just beat them one time before we worry about their end of the rivalry. They got to play us with Nick Sheridan at QB, among other lowlights. They owe us some crappiness in return.
I'm 100% sure I want to beat them by 50 for the next ten years. I'd love for the history of the rivalry in my fanhood lifetime to be dominance - [redacted] - dominance.
When all of this first broke, a lot of people scoffed at the thought of them getting the death penatly. If things keep going at the rate they're going...who knows. This is just the tip of the iceberg my friends.
I still can't see the death penalty happening. In SMU's case they were on probation for paying players and then got caught doing the exact same thing while on said probation. If OSU gets caught doing the same things while on probation for this offense then yes, I can see it. This being their first major offense, I can't see the death penalty being an option.
It's a shit whad o bucks. Free cars when wanted for four years (yes, I'm including the high school vette (20,000), free tats (10,000 -- I mean look at that artistry), free beer and food at the tat parlor (3,000), free weed at the tat parlor (3,000), stolen OSU equipment (stolen with a wink, wink, 20,000), cash for signed stuff (30,000), who knows what goddamelse (5,000). That's tax free money, btw. The IRS is gonna be awfully interested in a lot of that. We're talkin 80k in three years, probably more. That doesn't include tuition and board for an out of state student. All tax free. I think he might have made annual net wages more than most OSU grads!
The IRS has a tax on weed?
Illegal or legal, it's all income as far as they are concerned.
I believe most drug dealers fill out the pretty standard "self-employed, independent contractor" 1099 form reporting all earnings.
Shame on Pryor. His accountant should know better.
Just wait til they count the free weed he got valued at the Michigan Medical Marijuana buy rate. Then he's really screwed! He better hope it doesn't come out that he was the guy who took 2 pounds or whatever it was. Cause somebody sold that for actual cash. Bet TP didn't even file a retun while at osu.
watching the fallout... priceless.
So apparently TPeezy got him 20 or 40k over a few years at Ohio while he was getting free tattoos, cars and, oh yes...a free god damned "education". How the fcuk much more has to come out of Ohio after Clarett, after Troy Smith's $500 handshake, after their knowledge of playing the Tat5, after playing Delany for a fool in December, after literally years of Tressel clearly manipulating recruiting, after the fake news conference in March "gee I hope he doesn't fire me", after Sarniak, after the school looking the other way for years just happy to rake in millions all the while whoring their legit student athletes and, sadly, spoiling whatever good will players like Chris Spielman built.
What sucks fcuking more about all of this is that all the while a god damned complicit media was more than happy to retell the story of "the Senator" who did things "the right way". Fcuk that...it's a lack of intitutional control and should be the death penalty...nothing less.
That article NAMES NAMES baby. This Talbott character is a whole new avenue for the NCAA to investigate. After another month or so of this, anything is possible.
Clarkie I couldn't have said it any better. Fuck vacated wins and scholarship losses. OSU deserves the death penalty and I would not be happy any other way. Anybody that says what SMU was doing is much worse than the Bucks current situation is delusional...Or Tressel
Uhhh did you watch the 30 for 30? SMU was paying players with SMU stamped envelopes. They won't DP OSU.
Not to mention that SMU had gone on probation six times in a 30-year span, without ever demonstrating they'd learned their lesson.
How many "secondary violations" has Ohio 'self-reported' in the last decade?
There certainly is a trail at Ohio working through Clarett, Smith, Pryor and Tressel?
Also, have you so quickly forgotten about the O'Brien sanctions and a certain recruit's mom receiving $6 000?
Jeebus...Stevie Wonder could connect the dots here.
But they were never on NCAA probation before. SMU was repeatedly caught, put on probation, and kept resuming cheating once the probation ended (or sometimes even during it). If OSU goes on probation, and then 8-10 years from now gets in trouble for the exact same violations, then it starts to become more of a comparison.
Not only is the narrative I described above factual but Ohio was placed on probation in 2006 following the O'Brien decision related to discipline of the men's basketball program.
"Other penalties announced included a public reprimand" - to which I say 'only at Ohio' and this is where they must have gotten the Tressel contrition idea for the Gee/Tressel/Smith presser in March
Accordingly, the death penalty may well be in play now...
In 1985, in response to rampant violations at several schools, the NCAA Council passed the "repeat violator" rule. The rule stipulates that if a second major violation occurs at any institution within five years of being on probation in the same sport or another sport, that institution can be barred from competing in the sport involved in the second violation for either one or two seasons. In cases of particularly egregious misconduct, a school can also be stripped of its right to vote at NCAA conventions for four years. The severity of the penalty led the media to dub it "the death penalty," and the nickname has stuck to this day.
I still think the death penalty is very unlikely for OSU, but the NCAA regs you reference certainly establish a plausible justification for the NCAA to do so.
What I really love about all this is how it completely and thoroughly undercuts the sanctimonius image of moral rectitude that Tressel has so assiduously cultivated for public consumption.
could connect the dots . . . it's called braille.
What was happening at SMU was *way* beyond what we are currently aware of at OSU. The Board of Trustees at SMU was aware of players getting paid but kept paying the current players because they "had to meet payroll". And this was AFTER the first NCAA sanctions against them for paying players.
Given what we can reasonably assume will come out of this for OSU, they obviously deserve to be *heavily* sanctioned. But the "Death Penalty" should be off the table.
EDIT: There's stuff in the Sports by Brooks article that indicates that OSU should have known of some of this stuff earlier last season. That's pretty damned bad...but still not "Death Penalty"-worthy IMO. Lots and lots and lots of penalties, heads rolling (figuratively, of course), vacated wins, etc. ... but not at the level of the "Death Penalty".
Well said Clarkie. I hope they don't get the death penalty, but I hope it's part of the conversation in the media and I hope the NCAA drags this out. A hasty investigation wouldn't let some of this new information come out. Incidentally, how did this former friend arrive at the number 20-40k? Sounds pretty arbitrary unless tp bragged about it in some way.
the friend new the amount of autographs he signed and knew the range the autographs sold for (500-1000 dollars). That is why you get the range of 20-40K.
I've changed my mind. Until this, I've always believed that a few tattoos and game jerseys didn't warrant more than a few years' probation, some lost scholarships and a bowl ban for a while (i.e. USC's punishment) at worst. However, with each passing day, the news just keeps getting worse for them, and given me good reason to hate TSIO for far more than beating my favorite football team 9 of the past 10 years.
Bomb them back to the Stone Age. They've earned it.
...until you realize that the ncaa investigation turned up what kind of shoes Terrelle Pryor most prefers...
Pryor and his sorry-assed OSU buddies including JT, Smitty and Gee-ser just made the next episode of TOSH.O!!!!
leaving OSU equipment room one Escalade load at a time.
Desmond Howard was just on ESPNEWS. He said that what we are seeing in Columbus right now is the most blatant example of lack of institutional control we've ever seen. Really went after Tressel hard. It was crazy fun to watch.
Nice. Can't wait to hear what Herbie has to say.
Maybe he's trying to get back on the "Real Buckeye" train?
Srsly? This isn't the RCMB. Come on now.
What's this about the NCRB?
I like that the headline is that an "ex-friend" is snitching on Pryor and that said friend stopped hanging around with Pryor because he was getting too arrogant. Amazed that it took the guy two years to figure it out, or Pryor dropped him and he is getting his revenge. This is all good times
I'm almost tired of new allegations coming out against tUOS and TP. Then I remember the Freep allegations against us and the entire college football world giving us crap. It's nice to be on the other end of it.
just fantastic- watching the Buckeyes fall apart a little more each and every day. Can't wait til August 12th!
What's the thought on whether a decision will be made on August 12th? With everything that has come out since the last notice of allegations, doesn't it stand to reason that the NCAA will reconsider and amend the allegations, including a possible lack of inst. control charge, and delay a final decision until they have found out everything they can?
This just keeps on getting better! It's going to take the NCAA forever to work through the whole OSU athletic department. I have a hunch that there may be some changes throughout the whole CFB landscape as a result of this OSU investigation.
Isn't Outside the Lines a tv program on ESPN? I read the article, but didn't see any mention of when/how to see this on tv. I wanna see this in full 46" HD glory!
Put it in IMAX 3d and I'll camp at the theater overnight.
OTL appears to be on daily at 3PM on ESPN. Set your DVRs for tomorrow!
He should stay at OSU. He'll make more.
Word. They don't pay that coin in CFL.
buying my fat prick, asshat douchebag, fuckface smug-ass dick brother in law a new Bucks t-shirt for x-mas 9 of the last 10 ears, per our long-standing agreement - loser buys. I have some sweet maize/blue rep ties from the 90's, but sending one XXXL after another has been gut-wrenching to say the least. The last couple years, with the blowouts, he hasn't even acknowledged the shit I've sent him. Fucking dick.
He just texted me "I'll send them all back if you can make this stop". Sorry buddy. I have no idea what my sister ever saw in you - you're a fatass dickhead, and the only reason I give you the time of day is because I have to. Eat a dick, and enjoy your return to mediocrity.
Do you feel better now that you got that off your chest?
it's been a nightmare, thanks for asking.
I got a good chuckle out this this....thank you!
Second that. This is an epic post. I really hope your future is full of payback. I think I hate your brother in law too.
This. I have bookmarked this page so that when I need a good laugh I can read this post.
to your next family reunion and mark all 9 shirts with an asterisk.
Wonder about the possibility of a deep pocketed booster paying Pryor, say $100,000.00, to skip his senior season? He cannot be compelled to speak with the NCAA investigators now that he is no longer in school.
I am not saying this has happened.
Well, it's not like boosters didn't pay for most everything else for TP.
From the IRS. He's toast. The only question is what they can hang on OSU at this point.
(Also: I bow to the information master.)
This is gold. News like this deserves so much better than popcorn.
I'm having Rogue Dead Guy Ale with my popcorn. I highly recommend it.
Just read the link you posted and will echo your comment. For weeks, I've been asking friends: how could no else have known about this stuff going on? I asked a friend over the weekend who works in an athletic department at another school and he simply replied, "they knew".
So, we've just now started touching on the violations. We will also start learning more about the "who". Will it surprise anyone if it was more than Pryor involved with Talbott? Which coaches knew? The equipment managers must have known. Why hasn't Gee fired Gene Smith, the compliance department and the equipment managers? The only thing I can think of is that they might have actually done their job and reported it up the ladder, only for it to be blocked at the top. Maybe even Gee himself.
Smith is a goner. I honestly see no way he can keep his job after what's happened at Tennessee and USC. Good riddance, he was clearly incompetent anyway.
or stratospheric new depths of deadness.
How does it keep getting better? This is unreal
The freaking O-ZONE is talking death penalty
What a bunch of idiots! Why in the hell would you pay the dumbass kid in a check!? They all feel that the Buckeye wall that encloses Columbus and most of the state protects them from everything. This can be the only explanation for their arrogance in how they have been doing business in Columbus.
It's not on the memorabilia dealer to make sure Pryor is clean. He's a business man. Whether Pryor is following NCAA rules isn't his problem. It may be something else if it can be shown that he aided or abetted a crime. However, it's not on him to make sure Pryor pays his taxes.
As a business man, you'd think the guy would realize that
1)paying with personal check = Pryor more likely to get busted by NCAA/Feds
2) Pryor getting busted by NCAA/Feds = Pryor memorabilia worth less coin.
Midway through the 2010 football season, Talbott was ordered by Ohio State officials to completely disassociate himself from the program. That indicates that administrative members of the OSU athletic department knew of Pryor’s activities involving Talbott long before the NCAA recently discovered the payments from Talbott to the former Buckeye quarterback.
If this is true, Hello Lack of Institutional Control. This may be the most damning piece yet.
"Midway through the 2010 football season, Talbott was ordered by Ohio State officials to completely disassociate himself from the program. That indicates that administrative members of the OSU athletic department knew of Pryor’s activities involving Talbott long before the NCAA recently discovered the payments from Talbott to the former Buckeye quarterback."
Can someone say "coverup"?
I mean, I know Pryor isn't necessarily the poster boy for academic achievement, but you'd think someone involved in these transactions, somewhere along the line, would have realized it's a bad idea for a nationally recognized star athlete to cash completely traceable, non-anonymous checks from a memorabilia dealer? Surely?
T. Pryor is truly a mental midget (my bad "little person"). This is what happens when arrogance sets in and an individual believes he is untouchable. Dark days are looming for The University of Ohio State... I almost pity them. ALMOST.
My pity quotient is well below the almost level in this case.
if we win a couple of those head to head encounters. And every other kid in every other program who ever suffered at the hands of their gilded class of mercenaries. F OSU. F OSU forever. Pryor will remain the focus, but he shouldn't. I blame these amazingly hypocritical adults, drooling Jesus and cashing in. Pryor was making chump change compared to the Senator.
WE'VE GOT PAPER!!!!! Sweet, Subpeona that guy's checking account ASAP. What's the over-under on how many buckey player's accounts come up? I'm putting it at 30.
This one by Sports by Brooks - link above, provided courtesy Tom VH on Twitter.
is that OSU is still lagging behind the news. Gee is still saying that Smith is going to keep his job.
Gordon, let's face it. Smith and the entire compliance department are getting fired. A dozen current players are going to be penalized. Awards and entire seasons will be stripped. You can either get ahead of the news and do it now, or you can wait until it's too late, and you will join your comrades in the ranks of the unemployed.
Now this investigation will be expanding too. Poor OSU FOIA coordinator, welcome to the new round of FOIA requests for emails, phone calls, text messages, etc.. about Talbott.
This is ugly, and despite what may seem impossible, it will get uglier.
NCAA gonna crack down hard....
This is insane. I can't wait to see what happens next. Anybody see a signed TP pimp cup on Ebay yet?
Thank you for posting the info and delivering Xmas in June...thank you all very much!
Give the kid some credit....from signing day until his abrupt end at tsio, he finally figured out how to properly say the name
"In the best interests of my teammates, I've made the decision to forgo my senior year of football at *The Ohio State University*," Pryor said in a statement issued by James.
Sorry, but no credit for TP. He had to use a lawyer to get the name of the school he attends right. Heh.
and I am almost certain TP thought the word "forgo" was referring to one of his all wheel drive cars.
after my finals are over. I'm two beers deep already and loving every last minute of this. Hell, there will be movies--books--written about this scandal 10 years from now.
He will be DEFINITELY be taking a pay cut in the CFL or Arena League.
My Tiger Cats need a tight end.
I need to go to Costco Wholesale and get more popcorn (in bulk.) I just don't think I have enough for this summer extravaganza.
took checks. Doesn't everyone know that if you do anything illegal, keep it in cash?
But I doubt there are any many racing to pick up the phone right now.
Enjoy the death penalty, OSU. Hell, the evidence is so damning that even ProfitGoBlue couldn't get OSU off.
OopOops - double post. pic of des for your troubles
I purposely chose that photo to set somebody up for that joke. Well played.
I have come to realize that there are 2 worlds. The first is the one we live in, it's called reality. The 2nd is the one infested by delusional Buckeye fans. They seem to be of the opinion that with OSU's self reporting, (a joke if there ever was one) Tressel and Pryor gone, that OSU is in the clear. There isn't a fan base in the history of organized sports, that deserves to get nuked more.
or tO$U as it's very applicable?
Nope. Still lame.
The Sportsbybrooks article links to it. Here is a snapshot of feedback on the memorabilia he's sold:
I'm sure some of these must be legit, right? However, even if a small percentage of those items were procured through NCAA violations, imagine how enormous this story could become.
Talbott has sold items signed by the most famous OSU football and basketball athletes in recent memory.
So let's take a look at "game used" items of OSU players. Theoretically, they don't get to keep these, right? Here are some:
1. Chris Vance game used Ohio state Buckeyes Helmet RARE
2. Chris Vance game used Ohio State Buckeyes Jersey Outbac
3. Justin ZWICK signed game used jersey Ohio State Buckeye
4. EVAN TURNER game used shoes ohio state buckeyes SIGNED
5. Maurice Hall Ohio State game used jersey Signed Buckeye
6. Ted Ginn signed game used ohio state buckeyes cleats
7. AJ Hawk A.J. game used ohio state buckeyes cleats
And that's just the first page...
Even the Buckeye delusions appear to be coming to a head. You go to their board...and they are pretty resigned to the fact they are going to get nailed. Heck, some long time posters over there are praying they get nailed ONLY as bad as USC.
I wish I knew a good OSU board to go to so I could enjoy their hair-tearing, but the hell if I'm going to pay Bucknuts a dime.
Oh, it's worth it!!!!!!!!
This wonderful news seems to be endless! YESSS!!
is a free board, and very amusing.
+1000 for you, sir!
"You could tell me they found rotting infant corpses in Pryor's trunk and I wouldn't be surprised at this point."
It's low morale over there...
I got denied a job today because i had a Pryor conviction.
You know, I've recently lost my wife, and most everything I care about in my life. And yet, your comment still made me burst out a giggle. Many thanks, and kudos to you good sir.
I have to admit that I enjoyed this. Actually, this whole thing is making me giddy. Finally they are getting what's coming to them. I've always thought that the vest made a deal with satan, and this pryor business is only further proof that he's a slime ball who will condone/turn a blind eye to anything. Still, there are so many people in the state of ohio that are going to say that its not a big deal or make the excuse that 'everyone is doing it'. They're living in a fairy tale magical world.
it would be poetic. Little internet digging and Dennis Talbott has lived in Galion and Mansfield (and went to Kent State) and thus *may* be the type to post on a "Northern Ohio Sports Forum" thread titled "The Clarett Factor" back in 2006:
November 16th, 2006 03:39 PM InTresselWeTrust Quote: Exec CEO Daniel wrote: http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/9799793 Article entitled Teflon Tressel, hmmmmm...it's not just Michigan fans seeing the hypocrisy. Bottom line for me: Do OSU players conduct themselves with class on the field? Do they do what is required by them to prepare for games? Yes. What some of these players have allegedly done in their personal time away from practice and OSU athletics is in reality a personal matter. It isn't the job of the coaches to intrude on their personal free time and play daddy. If they made bad decisions, they'll pay a price. If an illegal act has possibly been committed, then typically a coaching staff is going to wait until an outcome (thats why its called alleged.) before making a decision on anything to do. This whole Jim Tressel dodging bullets is pretty idiotic. Schools have players that sometimes make bad decisions, whoopty do da. If as a coach you allow to to happen on field (cough coker cough) THEN we can start talking about responsibility. To even hint at or say incredibly I might add that Jim Tressel is responsible is quite stupid.
whoever this buckeye poster is, he clearly doesn't think ethics/rules/morals matter off the field.
... he has the type of arrogance that he'll really believe there is nothing wrong with it. The IRS will come knocking, he will squil like a little pig, and hopefully 10 years of OSU impropriety will make the 2000's a dark, empty whole in the history of Ohio.
But I doubt it will. All their fans really care about are the W's on the field. If the NCAA erased 10 years of records and the NC, it wouldn't matter. The record books don't matter to them because in their minds, they "really" know who played and won, and they'd go to their graves professing that.
But no one else would give then credit. Isn't that really the satisfaction anyway? Having opposing teams know that you were best?
Read the article? Same dude, man. Same dude.
Talbott, who has sold hundreds of sports memorabilia items on Ebay, recently switched to that account name from his old handle: “intresselwetrust.” Talbott currently lists 250 items for sale on the auction site, including Ohio State Buckeye football memorabilia.
How do we know this Seller is talbott? His prior ebay ID names includes jeffcoffma. I think its a stretch to assume this is talbott.
http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReturnUserIdHistory&requested=i... Maybe it's a fake name, but I dono....
It's like Christmas every bleeping day. Michigan fans are finally getting repaid for the last decade.
It is typical of Pryor's alleged arrogance that he would piss off someone he took all of that money in front of and expect him to keep quiet. If the ex-friend gets out of Columbus before the Olentangy Mafia gets to him ala Clarett, he could be 'THE person who brings the entire program crashing down.
Since the photographer has tax liens, his finances may be a matter of public record, too. It just keeps getting better and better.
This is just starting to sink in over on the tsio's boards.... They have hit rock bottom and seem to have conceded that their punishment will be USC's or worse..
This is a turning point.
Did you go to 247 or Bucknuts? Bucknuts still feel that it is no big deal as does some OSU guys at 247. I was like, "REALLY".........
Bucknuts is 247. Hineygate is their Scout forum.
Yeah, Corleone family. I smell a team Twitter ban coming up a la North Carolina last year.
"People get missing?" Incoming "my twitter got hacked" excuse in 5, 4, 3, 2...
Sounds like Mr. Rolle might be worried about information coming out.
Everybody murders? Seriously, when TP said it I didn't realize it was a threat.
while his cousin is a Rhodes Scholar. It doesn't make any sense.
Shouldn't he just go back to being BG's bitch in Philly?
Rolle: "Seven iron Mr. Graham?"
OK, I no longer care about preserving the Rivalry.
This whole episode makes me sick. I'll admit that it also makes me laugh at how stupid an institution of higher learning can be. But mostly it makes me nauseous on behalf of our league.
OSU is dirty. Their punishment should come not from the NCAA but from the Big Ten.
They should be suspended from Big Ten football for five years (yes I pulled that time frame out of my ass, so what! It seems right.). Let them play whoever they can schedule. Or let them join another league. Like the MAC.
They shouldn't be given another shot at screwing up the reputation of the B1G. Loss of schollies and no TV or bowls? Chump change. How about loss of a share of Big Ten Network revenue?
Yes, I'm serious.
the banning them from Big Ten level of infractions yet, and I stress yet.
I think if point shaving, game fixing, or other alleged rumors I've heard come true and Tressel and Co. were complicit then a Big Ten ban seems on the table. Not to mention federal time in prison but I digress. I would also think a Big Ten ban would have to involve other sports.
This is getting more serious by the day, and I swear it feels like we're right on the edge of the whole program blowing up with one solid non-Terrell Pryor allegation.
That you've hit on the whole reason why TSIO is dragging their feet over everything. No disclosure made without FOIA requests, and even then, only when media finds it through other sources; a stonewalling, even defiant, administration; and redacting, or holding back, key information.
This problem is likely much bigger than football, and a lot more involved than tattoos. It's likely so bad that no one in the B1G or NCAA really wants to know the truth, and they're taking great pains not to poke around too much, lest they uncover what they suspect is just beneath the surface.
What made The Rivalry so great, was that you had two schools that were alike in so many ways, particularly when it came to values and "doing it right". This scandal exposes TSIO for what it really is: rotten.
Maybe Tressell was in on the point shaving (if there was some). I mean, I am not the only one with eyes and saw how explosive OSU was when they let TP run a bit of spread offense and just when they would get a bit of a lead....back to the 3 yards and a cloud of dust (or tressel ball). It seemed to happen in most games that he would let teams get close and then unleash TP to get the lead back...Maybe it isn't as far fetched as I originally thought it was.
I wonder if Gruden or Meyer are still looking for houses in Columbus now. Who besides Fickell is going to want to coach this program after what will likely be more than USC-like penalties.
To finally get off their horseshit meme that "every program is a little dirty"? I mean, day after day, more graft in OSU's program is exposed. By now, the question isn't whether they should get a mention in the Grifter's Hall of Fame, but how big the shrine should be.
Are we really expected to believe that every school's program is run this way? Seriously? Maybe I've missed the stories on the front page of the Wall Street Journal above the fold, but I don't think any other program has been accused of this kind of corruption since SMU. Not in my lifetime, anyway.
While I agree that saying "everyone skirts rules here and there" isn't justification (or even in the same ballpark) as what's going on down south or at SMU in the 70s and 80s, I don't think it's really a bullshit meme. I would laugh at anyone bold enough to argue that nobody on Michigan's roster has ever broken an NCAA rule. You can't police every little thing, but the issue with OSU is more of a "if you do find something, you better damn well report it lest we force you to die in a fiery abyss." In my opinion, it's the lying, covering up and general lack of effort towards compliance from the people in charge that is the problem, not that the kids broke the rules in the first place. Well, except for the asshattery that is the stupid shit Pryor's been doing. Those are the kinds of players that, regardless of how talented they may be, don't deserve a spot on a NCAA roster.
I don't think anyone (or at least anyone that's remotely intelligent) is saying every school is run this way. But if you dig hard enough and turn over just the right stone, I would not be surprised if you could find improper benefits at every school in the country. The only schools I could really see being anywhere approaching immune to booster money are the service academies.
Some in the media have been using the "everyone is a little dirty" line to diminish the significance of, explain, or excuse what has been going on at Ohio State. It's sickening. I don't mean to suggest that no one at U-M has ever broken a rule, but rather that flagrant, institutional disregard for the rules is hardly commonplace, and to suggest it is an insult to the vast majority of programs.
And for the record, I wrote "horseshit", not "bullshit". Totally different. :-)
So I am sure someone has already suggested this, but MUPPETS BABY IT'S MUPPETS TIME!!
I highly doubt that Pryor declared all of his income from signing that memorabilia.
Can you say Tax Evasion Terrelle?
Between the optimism, Hoke getting the recruiting machine running strong, and tOSU melting down, I cannot remember an offseason I've enjoyed more. Everyday is Christmas when I read mgoblog. It seems to be another "Hello" post or more scandal at tOSU.
big crowd may not be there to sing his praises. With this much electricity, sooner or later the light comes on, even for the dimmest bulbs.
Pryor may not have been the first active Buckeye player to collect cash for signatures from Talbott. The parent of one former Ohio State player told "Outside the Lines" that he saw Talbott provide what he called "stacks of money" to active Buckeye players, including a player now in the NFL.
Talk about a systemic problem.
I'm looking back at the the allegations made by Maurice Clarett and it's obvious now that he was telling the truth.
Has to be loving this stuff more than anyone who is not a Wolverine. SC is yesterday's news. There's a new cheat in town, and every week brings more revelations of how extensive the cheating has been.
Lack of institutional control seems likely. Makes Bush's dealings with the would-be agent or whatever seem positively rational, even normal.
Few things are interesting enough to get me to read 200+ comments in a thread. Best so far is the person who pointed out that this is all very close to what Clarett was saying.
Have to wonder what the penalties could be. If half of what has come out is true, one possibility would be to ban Tressel from ever coaching again in the NCAA. As for the institution, I don't know -- USC-type penalties seem inadequate, even if doubled or tripled in length. Not letting the coach walk away would be a good start, and there's vacating wins and such, but beyond that scholarship restrictions don't seem like enough. As someone else suggested, maybe the Big Ten has to get involved, because they seem like the only ones who can hit OSU where it actually hurts -- $.
If there isn't, I have a sick feeling in my stomach that this is Maurice Clarett all over again. The NCAA has to punish Ohio State because the Vest signed that compliance form.
However, as of right now, Pryor is obligated to answer exactly ZERO of the NCAA's questions. If wealthy boosters want to hand him a few hundred thousand dollars now to keep his mouth shut, the NCAA can't do anything about it. Which we all know is exactly what happened with Clarett.
If he didn't claim a "few hundred thousand dollars" from wealthy boosters on his tax return. If the IRS starts poking around because of any income he might have received from sold memorabilia, cash payouts for silence would almost surely turn up. I'm not sure if even Pryor is that stupid.
You're right about Pryor, but I could care less what happens to him from here on out. After zero punishment was handed to Ohio State for Clarett, or to Auburn for Newton, I'm just hoping something can be proven to have happened while he was uniform with a paper trail.
The NCAA has personal checks written from Talbott to Pryor. There is paper.
The only thing that could make all of this even better is if TP has a press conference on his way out of town. Entertainment value would be immeasurable!
Who's UF and what site did you get that from? Looks like more fun reading.
OSU back up QB Guiton linked to Fine Line
Was on eleven warriors. This post was in debate over the differences between USC and OSU:
"The scenarios aren't even close regarding the players or the schools reaction to it, no matter how much ESPN and SI want it to be. USC knew, and encouraged his payment plan from the agent. And when the NCAA tried to investigate, USC tried to block them. This isn't close to how OSU handled Tatgate.
I don't think Pryor is an elite QB, but he was a heck of a college football player. And yes, he played his ass off."
This sentiment is echoed over there quite often. I live in Ohio and every day after work it is the same prattle on the local radio shows. No one thinks they are going to get hammered. I remain amazed at their head in the sand mentality.