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December 8th, 2012 at 9:38 PM | OMGZ WOODSON SIGHTING ON THE (Score:1 Normal)
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OMGZ WOODSON SIGHTING ON THE HEISMAN HOUSE FEATURE.

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December 8th, 2012 at 9:47 PM | Cue the ND ass kissing fest. (Score:3 Normal)
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Cue the ND ass kissing fest.

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December 8th, 2012 at 9:51 PM | Does Te'o remind anyone else (Score:5 Normal)
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Does Te'o remind anyone else of that Oscar the Grouch character from Seasame Street?

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December 8th, 2012 at 9:51 PM | Running Backs (Score:1)
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This has to be the first time that no nominies are running backs.  There was a period where 10 straight winners were RBs.  In the last 6 years there was one running back.  Now not even a nominee.  It seems to be a position in decline.

...just one man's opinion.

 

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December 8th, 2012 at 9:54 PM | With the new spread systems, (Score:3 Normal)
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With the new spread systems, everything goes through the QB and they get mind boggling numbers.

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December 8th, 2012 at 9:56 PM | And guys who would have been running backs (Score:2)
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Are playing QB now.

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:40 PM | not really (Score:1)
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Denard and... who else are you refering to?

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:50 PM | Who? (Score:1 Normal)
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RG3, Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, and probably Troy Smith all would have been running backs, maybe a tight end, and slot receiver back twenty years ago, no more 30 when running backs were winning the Heisman every year. No one was putting your best athlete at quarterback in those days. Bo Jackson would probably be a quarterback today.

So, yeah, really.

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December 8th, 2012 at 11:05 PM | I disagree (Score:1 Normal)
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QB, TE (6-6 250 lbs RB?), LOL, and QB. 

RB requires side to side agility, where Cammy Cam, and RG3 are more straight-line runners. And Tebow... would have been a FB? maybe a Wisconsin RB. Troy Smith never had great rushing stats and I can't remember if he had great agility.

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December 8th, 2012 at 11:14 PM | Ron Dayne on line one. (Score:1)
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Not saying they'd have all been great pros as running backs, receivers, or tight ends. Just that none of them would have been playing quarterback. And they wouldn't have. No coach would have put someone whose primary gift is running at quarterback back in those days. Not unless you were running the wishbone. Newton would never have taken a snap starting in pee wee. Hell, at his size he might have been a defensive end. But not a quarterback.

The Raiders made hay on guys in all sorts of positions who could run fast but didn't have a lot of wiggle. Tebow probably was a fullback/h-back. Troy Smith wasn't getting a shot at quarterback in 1980. There's a reason you didn't have hardly any black quarterbacks. It wasn't because they suddenly figured out how to throw in the year 2000. They were finally given the opportunity rather than getting shuffled to other positions.

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December 8th, 2012 at 11:22 PM | I could see that (Score:1)
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I wasn't watching football back then. Still, guys like Adrian Peterson are RBs and not QBs, even for the spread. 

On a side note, am I the only one bothered when annoucer's mention Cam Newton "leaving" Florida (or Mettenberger "leaving" UGA) without the words "kicked off the team?" These guys screwed up pretty bad in each case and the media turns its head. Damn SEC...

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December 8th, 2012 at 11:29 PM | Yeah, more I thought about it (Score:1)
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I got the feeling that you thought I was saying that they weren't "real quarterbacks." And I think the first two are doing a good job proving they are QBs in the NFL. Tebow was never a quarterback.

But you'd have a hard time naming those guys equivalent matches in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. 90's to some extent too. Not because no athletes like that existed. They just weren't playing QB.

And the media always glosses over the cheating and dirty; unless they're specifically trying to make a point about dirty cheating. And yeah, it sucks.

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December 8th, 2012 at 11:09 PM | Bo Jackson? (Score:1)
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Bo Jackson would probably be a RB today too. C'mon man, it's Bo Jackon. He's a freak. Besides, throwing a baseball isn't the same as running an offense

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December 8th, 2012 at 11:18 PM | Do you have any doubt he could throw a ball as well as Denard? (Score:1)
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Heck, as well as Tebow?

You'd want the ball in his hands every play, and he's be playing for Auburn at quarterback. Or Meyer's Florida, or heck, Rich Rod.

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December 8th, 2012 at 11:26 PM | Timothy Tebow (Score:1)
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With those few coordinators/coaches, then I'm sure he'd get a shot at QB. But it's Bo Jackson, not the typical All-American RB.

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December 8th, 2012 at 11:31 PM | Yes, all running backs could not be quarterbacks. (Score:1)
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But there were exceptional ones who could have been but never got the chance. I bet Payton would be a full time QB today. (he was actually a depth QB and punter as well as running back).

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December 8th, 2012 at 9:55 PM | No Wide Recievers (Score:2)
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No Wide Recievers either.

Probably has more to do with the rise of the spread and a greater focus on the quarterback in the offense. 

I have to imagine that passing yards plus rushing yards for QB's has been much greater than it ever has in the past. 

 

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:00 PM | And with the fact that only (Score:2)
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And with the fact that only three guys were invited to New York.

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:03 PM | Marqise Lee should have been, (Score:5 Normal)
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Marqise Lee should have been, but Heisman voters looked at USC's defense and decided that he didn't really have that great a season.

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December 8th, 2012 at 9:56 PM | Fucking Rutgers (Score:3 Normal)
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Fucking Rutgers

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December 8th, 2012 at 9:58 PM | Either George Rogers is now a (Score:3 Normal)
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Either George Rogers is now a pimp, or they're re-shooting Dick Tracy. 

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:01 PM | That has gotta be one of the (Score:1)
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That has gotta be one of the worst suits ever worn on that stage!

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:00 PM | Johnny (Score:0 Flamebait)
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Football!

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:00 PM | Johnny football takes it! (Score:2)
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Johnny football takes it!

Lived the Dream. 2008-2012

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:00 PM | Johnny Fucking Football. (Score:1)
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Johnny Fucking Football.

It's been a lot. Its been a roller coaster that for some reason seemed like it would never get good. But you know what? We kept fighting. It's like that old saying goes, "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions." -David Molk

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:00 PM | They got it right this year! (Score:1)
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They got it right this year!

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:01 PM | Yes!  I like Johnny Manziel (Score:2 Normal)
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Yes!  I like Johnny Manziel and A&M.  That woman is annoyed me.

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:01 PM | I think Texas A&M (Score:3 Normal)
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Has got to be liking their move to the SEC about now.

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:01 PM | Woodson's reaction to STILL (Score:5 Normal)
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Woodson's reaction to STILL being the only defensive player.

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:01 PM | Thanks GAWD. (Score:4 Normal)
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Thanks GAWD.

Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:02 PM | Charles Woodson forever. (Score:5 Normal)
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Charles Woodson forever.

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:02 PM | Johnny Fucking Football, (Score:2)
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Johnny Fucking Football, baby! Yesss...

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:03 PM | Yes!! (Score:1)
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Johnny Football!! Kid is amazing. Can't wait to see what he does next year.

"But in the tire fire that was last year's secondary he showed a little spark." - Brian Cook

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:13 PM | Notice how they tried (Score:1)
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Notice how they tried discredit that fact during the show? Saying "pure" defender in reference to Teo.

Joined:2010-5-29

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:55 PM | pure defender? (Score:5 Normal)
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ESPN is excrement.

Chuck Woodson was the purest defender I've ever seen. He didn't beat Manning because he returned one punt for a TD or caught a few passes. Chuck Woodson shut down half the field. He was the man.

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December 8th, 2012 at 11:52 PM | Not left, ever.  (Score:1)
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Not left, ever. 

not just "douchey" MGoBlog user, but now TRUSTED MGoBlog user

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:03 PM | GO JOHNNY GO GO GO (Score:2 Normal)
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Joined: 04/27/2011
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Manziel wins it!!! You nervous OSU? This kid has 3 more years. Its time for a new two time winner. Congrats to Johnny Manziel!

We hate Michigan State. We don't like Penn State too. We don't care for Minnesota, Wisconsin or Notre Dame but we all hate O-S-U.

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:11 PM | Actually, he could leave for the pros (Score:2)
M-Wolverine
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Joined: 10/04/2009
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After next year.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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December 8th, 2012 at 11:11 PM | If Brax keeps progressing the (Score:1)
goblue20111
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Joined: 10/31/2010
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If Brax keeps progressing the way he does in Urban Meyer's offense, I don't see how he doesn't win a Heisman.

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December 9th, 2012 at 1:44 AM | I dunno, if they lose 1 game (Score:3 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
Joined: 12/29/2010
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I dunno, if they lose 1 game he wouldn't be in the Heisman talk. Did he even finish in the top 50 in passer efficiency? Going into the UM game, he was not.

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:03 PM | 40 years ago, Freshmen (Score:-1 Offtopic)
Wolverine Devotee
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40 years ago, Freshmen weren't allowed to play college ball. 

Now, one has just won the Heisman. 

Wow. 

When the ADept sells special jerseys and gear, you'll see my picture next to the targeted customer crowd. A sheep.....but a Blue one.....

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:05 PM | except that (Score:5 Normal)
R Kelly
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except that he would've been allowed to play 40 years ago...

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:07 PM | Freshmen received varsity (Score:-1 Overrated)
Wolverine Devotee
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Freshmen received varsity eligibly in 1973. 

When the ADept sells special jerseys and gear, you'll see my picture next to the targeted customer crowd. A sheep.....but a Blue one.....

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:09 PM | He is a redshirt freshman, (Score:5 Normal)
MichiganManOf1961
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Joined: 05/18/2012
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He is a redshirt freshman, meaning he has been on campus for two years.  Meaning he would have been able to play varsity 40 years ago.

~Herm

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:09 PM | He is a RS Freshman (Score:4 Normal)
R Kelly
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He is a RS Freshman, not a true freshman, so he would have been able to play.  

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:12 PM | He's a redshirt freshman, not (Score:2)
snarling wolverine
Joined: 12/14/2011
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He's a redshirt freshman, not a true freshman.

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:43 PM | And (Score:1)
THISISMICHIGAN33
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And he is 20 years old. Tebow was 20 also when he won.

THIS IS MICHIGAN

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:59 PM | Hey guys he's a redshirt (Score:2)
FreddieMercuryHayes
Joined: 12/29/2010
MGoPoints: 4890

Hey guys he's a redshirt freshman

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December 9th, 2012 at 3:15 AM | RS guys (Score:1)
Skiptoomylou22
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Joined: 11/29/2008
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So, you know, he could have played. Nobody else thought of that?

Bo' Money Bo' Problems

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December 8th, 2012 at 10:09 PM | Aw yisss (Score:1)
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Aw yisss

Mike Martin told me he loves me. My life is quite possibly complete.

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