Wisconsin. That is all.
ESPN: Michigan silent Big Ten favorite
Yea they seem like a decent football team
One game at a time...
very very winnable
At the beginning of the season, we didn't know Ohio would suck, Nebraska would only be 80 percent as advertised, Iowa would play like they were straddling corncobs, or that PSU wouldn't find a real QB. Many of us said MSU was overrated, though.
Anyway, Michigan can win the division, and though Wiscy would be favored in a BTCG matchup, they DO have to actually play the games before the winner is decided.
I'm not writing this team off quite yet.
Coach speak? Yes. Good thing none of us are Michigan football coaches. We're fans. It's like our JOB to look ahead and think wishfully about the prospects of an undefeated regular season (which is definitely doable). I'll WATCH one game at a time, but ain't nobody stopping me from TALKING about a 12 game winning streak (no jinx).
When we play Wisconsin in the B1G Championship game, we will win. That is all...
I don't think we have a legitimate chance to make that championship game because we're still a deeply flawed team. But if we do, I have an irrational feeling we could beat Wisconsin.
Have you looked at the rest of our schedule? Every team we have left except for MSU and Illinois is probably "deeply flawed" and we aren't even sure how good those two are yet. Is it premature talk? Yeah I'd definitely agree with that. But we definitely have a legit chance to win this division and maybe are slight favorites as of right now.
Yes we still have issues, but as you can see from the ND game and the NU game, we are capeable of overcoming our weaknesses and getting victories. When we beat sparty this saturday, I don't see another game i m worried about. We beat sparty (which WE WILL) and we're going undefeated.
funny as he!!. I will agree that we are on a roll and the coaching staff gets many cutos for half-time adjustments. We do have some big holes on offense and defense. However, the coaches have done a great job in filling those holes.
We have outcoached 3 teams now and out played 3 teams. I am ever more confident that we can run the table in the division. My original projection was 3 losses (tosu, Neb and Ill/Iowa). Iowa will not be a problem and tosu looks beatable. Neb has not shown me anything yet. So my real concern now is Illinois. If we can get through them, we might have a shot at Wisky in December.
There should be a caveat for "When Drob doesn't throw INT's"
We win even when he does, it just makes it harder on ourselves.
He threw the interceptions last week just to trick MSU's secondary into waiting for the ball instead of, you know, actually covering Michigan's receivers.
"Borgeous is Gorgeous"
only he could come up with such an ingenious plan like that!
WIsconsin would be who they are "SAYING" is the favorite
I would love for this to be true, but seriously, can we beat State before this talk starts to heat up. We still haven't won a big game against a good team in the last three years it seems. Hell, maybe even the last 4 years. My supersticious self is not likeing the hype and the possibility of repeating history right now.
Oh, and, Wisconsin. Pretty much ends the argument right there.
and I say that was a great game.
How did I let the "Argh! You could Have Been Doing That All Year!!" game slip my mind. That was in-fact a great game against a good team where we stepped up.
We've beaten 2 heisman contenders, dominated 3/4 of our games against big 10 opponents, faced 3 NFL caliber quarterbacks who are tearing opponents up, faced 2 NFL receivers, and are facing 3 consecutive opponents whose offensive and defensive styles play to our strength, not to mention one of the best coaching staffs in the whole country.
I have said this before... Just prior to playing our next opponent, everyone on this board goes into panic mode, saying the team coming up is soooo good and will dominate us. That hasn't happened yet. I don't expect it to happen this weekend. We've got 3 all-big 10 candidates on our offensive line and 3 all-big 10 potentials on our d-line which plays to our strength and will overmatch msu. We just need to not throw 3 terrible interceptions.
I agree that people aren't giving the team a lot of credit (almost like everyone expects a meltdown and wants to hedge their bet) but last week was one of the two best offenses on the schedule, and this week is one of the two best defenses, plus rivalry game. The board will calm down a lot more if we beat MSU. Until Illinois week, probably.
Of course everybody is hedging their bets. The last three years were hard on us, especially 2008 when people were predicting winning seasons (why wouldn't they after 40 years?) and we lost all our confidence. It's going to take time to get 100% confidence in a team, especially when this is Hoke's first year and we don't really know how well they'll do on the road, with more stressful situations, if they can maintain or if they'll fall apart down the road.
I honestly don't know what to think of this team. I want to say that they're good enough to get to Wiscy undefeated because so far it's been pure dominance. On the other hand, I don't want to feel like a damn fool and be disappointed if they lose 3 games, especially if they lose to Ohio State and/or Michigan State.
I agree with you that many aren't giving Michigan enough credit, but I think we're all worried about getting our hopes up too much. The defense has been playing much better than the past three seasons, but has benefited greatly from turnovers in a lot of its games.
However, I would argue that Notre Dame "dominated" us.
I tend to disagree with that myself. Sure, they should've put more points on the board, but they didn't. They didn't take care of the football worth a damn, which is as important a part of the game as anything else. Their defense didn't wow me, as they couldn't stop our O, i.e., we put up enough to win the game. Yeah, their offense is pretty good when they're not arm punting, but yeah. In summation, I don't believe it is possible for a team to "dominate" and not win the game.
We beat 'em, therefore no dominance, however, they dominated MSU. I'm not saying we dominate MSU, but I think we win by oh, say, 10-ish.
People are getting WAY ahead of themselves. If we beat Sparty, however, all bets are off and anything could happen at that point.
They may be the new favorite to win the legends, but Wisconson is clearly on another level of dominance. They seem to be able to steamroll most, if not all the B1G teams. I don't like our chances against them *IF* we are so fortunate enough to make the B1G Championship Game.
We still haven't beaten a top 25 team. I'm not saying there's no way we win the B1G, and I love this hype, but we could easily lose enough to not make the B1G championship.
Eh, Notre Dame will probably be a top 25 team after another win, especially if it comes of USC. Even if they lose to USC, they very well could still end up a top 25 team by season end. Kind of hope they don't even if it does deny us a quality win.
I think we have a chance, but the only way I see us having a chance is if we win out. If we do that i'll trust we have a chance to find a way to win that game against wincy. if we do that though what happens? do they give us a chance to the NCG?
Let's just focus on our chance in the State of Michigan CG.
I agree with most people that we should be worrying about MSU, not a national championship or even the big 10 championship.
However, it's an interesting thought experiment - if we did manage to run the table and then beat Wisconsin for the Big Ten Championship, would we actually make the National Championship game?
- LSU plays Bama in November, so at least one of them will be out of the running.
- If we assume that Michigan wins the Big Ten, Wisconsin will be out, probably due to an upset loss to us.
- Oklahoma doesn't play any of the above and is in good shape to go undefeated if they can avoid a potential end-of-year upset by Oklahoma State.
- Boise State is... well, Boise State. They won't be in the top 2 even if they're undefeated.
- Stanford's resume looks pretty weak - their only currently ranked opponent is Oregon, and a hypothetical win against Wisconsin would put us ahead most likely.
- Clemson has already beaten 3 ranked opponents and is currently favored for the rest of their entire schedule. It's hard to say whether they'd be ahead of us if they went undefeated.
- Oklahoma State will either knock off Oklahoma or be knocked off by them.
- Oregon and Arkansas have losses, and I don't see them being ahead of any undefeated at the end of the season.
So, it's entirely possible that we have LSU or Bama, Oklahoma or Oklahoma State, and possibly Clemson, undefeated and ahead of us. We can probably assume that beating Wisconsin would be enough to push us past Clemson, but I don't see how we'd be ranked ahead of an undefeated LSU or Oklahoma.
Basically, this would put us in the position of a Boise State, except that this time it's an established football powerhouse, an old-guard BCS school being kept out of the championship game after going undefeated with one of the most incredible quarterbacks in the history of football.
If that's not a justification for a playoff, I don't know what is...
Let's not lose sight of Saturday. If the past three years has taught me anything, it's don't believe the hype. Ever.
we haven't beaten MSU the last 3 yrs, one game at a time. Until we can beat them and not have a season spiral out of control on us, we have plenty of reasons to tread lightly.
Interesting that a national guy is saying that, as most of us die-hards even think we don't have a prayer against Wisconsin. It's his "Bold Prediction" and yeah, I guess it sure is a bold one.
Michigan stories = clicks = ad revenue
I like the prediction of multiple undefeated teams in that article. I can really see Oklahoma, LSU/Alabama, Wisconsin, Boise State, Clemson, and possibly Stanford (if they can beat Oregon) being undefeated. While I think the first three teams stand out slightly more, that would be crazy to see that many teams undefeated.
Which is why there should be a playoff!
than we can talk. we got lucky against a good nd team and although I feel we are improved I only care about one thing right now. shutting sparty up.
Yes, I am with you on that one...F sparty!
I hear Pasadena is beautiful in January.
I can assure you it is. I love Michigan and the winter season, but there's something to be said for 70 degrees in January as well.
but I don't see us beating Wisconsin. Unless they trip up against a weaker opponent, they could wind up in the BCS Championship game. In fact I'm predicting they do, and they have a chance to win it.
The only threat to Wisconsin in their division is Illinois and maybe Penn State. If Illinois pulls the huge upset (It will be at Memorial Stadium, so who knows), Illinois might jump into the championship game. Unless that happens, I don't see us being a favorite to win the Big Ten.
they BARELY got past WMU at home, and BARELY beat NW at home. I don't see what all the fuss is about...they aren't all that strong.
This is not me saying they don't have a good team, but they haven't done anything to prove it. They beat a vastly overrated Nebraska team at home. The rest of their schedule has been absolute trash. Hell, I'd take our resume over theirs right now. Lets let them actually play more than one decent team before we crown them as "unbeatable".
I think we would have a good game against Wisconsin.
I think the hype about their QB is legit. I've watched him scramble and watched the diverse array of pretty throws he's put together. He's got the complete package.
I am reminded again why we actually play the games.
No one can write off any team on our schedule as an automatic win...yeah Purdue.
And no one can write off any team that will clearly beat us...yeah Wisconsin.
Need I remind us of 2008 Wisconsin? We fielded one of the worst teams in Michigan history that year and stunned Wiscy.
Anything can happen. Russel Wilson could go down with injury, they could get beat @Illinois or @OSU and not even make it to the BIG championship game.
Anything can happen my friend.
Let us get to the championship game first...then I will worry about Wisky.
Let's beat Sparty before we can even think about going to the B1G championship game. This season has played out exactly like last season minus are defense didn't shit the bed vs the terrible teams we played. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Who, exactly, has Wisconsin beat other than a Nebraska team at Wisconsin that almost lost at home to an OSU squad with 2 losses?
|Big Ten Conference Record: 1-0|
|Thu 09/01/2011||UNLV *||51 - 17||W|
|Sat 09/10/2011||OREGON ST.||35 - 0||W|
|Sat 09/17/2011||@ Northern Ill. ^||49 - 7||W|
|Sat 09/24/2011||SOUTH DAKOTA||59 - 10||W|
|Sat 10/01/2011||NEBRASKA *||48 - 17||W|
If we need to wait and see how Michigan does against MSU and others, we also need to wait and see how Wisconsin does against ...... (left Indiana, Purdue and Minnestoa out, for obvious reasons)
|Sat 10/22/2011||@ Michigan St. *|
|Sat 10/29/2011||@ Ohio St. *|
|Sat 11/19/2011||@ Illinois|
|Sat 11/26/2011||PENN ST.|
It's totally selfish of me, but right now but all I really care about is that Michigan beats MSU and OSU ... because I can't stand them, and because I'm going to those games for the first time ever. My dad and brothers and I will be in the endzones from both - coming up from Memphis, braving the cold - and we just have to win!
On a more rational point, I honestly do think that Michigan CAN win all of its games, I think the defense is much improved, the adjustments are great, the diverse play-calling is great. It just has to be the perfect storm. Michigan has to play better than it has to beat MSU, Nebraska, and OSU, but they can afford a few mistakes - simply because those teams' offenses aren't amazing. With Wisconsin, Michigan would have to be perfect. in theory, Michigan could have its act together more by then, but we're talking about a perfect performance.
It's crazy for us to even be talking about it. I live in SEC country, where nutso fans start talking national championship the first game of the season - so, I'm resisting the urge to even start dreaming about an undefeated season. Just beat MSU and OSU, and anything else would be amazing.
Would it kill these gus to wait just 1 more week on this stuff? If we beat MSU then I think anything is possible but this game is going to be MUCH closer and MUCH tougher than anyone is expecting.
We win by a slim margin is my guess - another ND.
I don't really see a dominate team in our conference. WI is a good solid team but they have an easy path to their championship. PSU, MSU and IL may give them a bit of a game but I think they will roll over these teams.
If Michigan defeats MSU they will have the best chance to win the Legends Division. I'm thinking we will be able to take both NE and OSU at home. This game against MSU may be the divisional championship game...though Sparty could lose to WI and NE! Even if we lose to sparty, this team will bounce back. I don't see a collapse!
I think Wisconsin is a dominant team. Going back three years, they're 26-5, and this looks like their best team during that stretch. I haven't seen a lot of Stanford, but Wisconsin looks like the only team that could compete with Oklahoma and the winner of LSU/Alabama.
People here need to relax a little. Everyone's falling over each other in a race to spout off as many coachspeak clichés as possible. We're 6-0. It may or may not continue, but we should enjoy it while it does.
Hey if enough people believe something, it becomes real. Perception is reality... .uh... right? I'm in...
We must beat MSU for two reasons: It will give us a nice lead in-division, and it will boost the team's confidence, because they're coming in as underdogs.
We will prevail in this contest.
For the senior class.
Is the single biggest reason (other than being an obsessive fanboi) I'm pulling so hard for this team. The seniors deserve to win, they've been through hell, and we have so many high character guys on our team it's crazy.
I cant even believe were underdogs...MSU isnt that good they were able to cushion thier numbers in that ohio...I mean come on really 9 sacks....ohio sucks
I love the wisconsin chart...and as far as all the people saying we did this last 2 years ....ru kidding me other than having the same names this team is complete opposite than them...Thier attitudes, the defense, and the coaching staff...come on I hate when people comparre to last year
I agree we should take it one game at a time, but it will be really great if Brady Hoke is able to win the Big Ten with what will probably be his worst team.
A lot of fire under their belly and a will to win. They are not quitters, they stay because they beleive that they can win. A defense can stop opponents at least 50% of times will give this offense a chance to win games.
Let's not be Notre Dame where we start talking about National Championships and Returns to Glory the moment we win three games in a row.
I think that the only thing that will expunge last year from the collective consciousness of the media is a win against Michigan State. Michigan State has been the game where it all falls apart the last two years. After Michigan State the past two years, there has not been a single game where we looked good. It's painful that Michigan State has taken on so much importance for us (they should not be nearly as important, just another big ten opponent to whup), but they are now. Win this game and the media narrative of "Michigan starts fast over inferior teams, but crashes and burns against the Big 10" will be expunged.
1st, I haven't seen this anywhere yet, so, I'm sharing here:
Michigan, in a masterful backhanded compliment is compared to a junker with 300,000 miles on it that strangely keeps running.
I agree with those that are doing the coach-speak one game at a time thing.
To me, every game (OK, not every game *cough* EMU *cough*) has been a hurdle to overcome and the State game is no different.
WMU - What would the team look like?
ND - 1st Big Stage Game
SDSU - Somewhat unknown quantity from the West Coast (trap game?)
Minn - 1st B1G game
NW - 1st Road game
MSU is now a "real" road game against a school that has had our number the last 3 years. So, again, its just a hurdle and if we stumble, it doesn't mean we're out and if we win, it doesn't gaurantee anything except a better bowl game and a better shot at a B1G championship game.
The media hyper-inflates everything pertaining to big market teams. Our wins against ND are a classic example of that, with us getting pumped up rankings for no apparent reason only to watch the wheels fall off.
Now, we're 6-0 and looking at a weaker schedule then originally thought and so the media is salivating and hyper-inflating it, because if we win-out they can claim they called it first and if we lose it will be "Look how far the mighty have fallen & stumbled".
Savor each week for the stepping stone that it is.
I think a win does a whole lot more than you seem to believe. With a bye week and Purdue at home, we have two weeks to get another win, a guranteed loss for MSU or Nebraska, rest Denard and the rest of the team, get more reps for the backups and young guys, and do more team-specific gameplanning.
An 8-0 start and 4-0 in the B1G would be HUGE. Head-to-head wins over MSU and Nebraska, in addition to our 2 wins so far and a near-definite win over Purdue would put us in excellent shape. The head-to-head tiebraker means that if we are able to beat one out of Iowa/Illinois/OSU that 6-2 will get us in the 'ship if MSU loses one more game (Wisky next week).
This game is VERY important for us. A win puts us in the driver's seat in the "Legends" with essentially a two-game lead over MSU and a 1-game lead over Nebraska/Iowa (plus keep in mind these teams still have head-to-head games so there are guranteed losses left), Sparty is shut up for a year, we become media darlings FWIW, Denard's heisman campaign gets real, in-state recruiting dominance solidified, and we have a pleasant week off to think about it. A loss leads to another year of listening to Sparty crap, national media doubt and comparisons to last two years, uphill climb in division, Hoke falls to 1-1 in rivalry games, and we have a sad week without football to think about it.
I like the way you think.
I get what you're saying. It's just after the last couple years of having the rug pulled out from underneath me so violently, I'm trying not to get too amped up one way or the other. So, I guess I'm overly curtailing my emotions?
Mistakenly down voted this.
Too early to tell how good this team is