That would be awesome, granted the team picking number 1 has a desperate need for a point guard. Has there ever been a UM bball player taken 1 overall?
ESPN Insider: Trey Burke should go #1 overall
He was taken No. 1 overall by the Magic and then immediately traded to Golden State, IIRC.
You are correct.
A trading card that is split with webber on one side and shaq on the other. Was a short lived relationship...
Queen probably would have been if he had been able to avoid attacking people with belts.
Just curious how you know which team is going to be picking #1 overall.
I don't, only David Stern does (hey-oooo). I was saying IF the team who gets the number one pick needs a PG, he's got a great shot(And before you mis-read that too, he is a very good shooter, but not great).
meeeee the mooonneeeeeyyyyyyyy
I just hope he does go #2 overall its like a cursed draft position
He should stay healthy as long as the Blazers do not draft him.
need a point guard......besides the blazer curse only works on players 7 feet tall.......
I don't think Brandon Roy was a 7 footer.
they got Durant at #2
The Thunder didn't draft Durant. The Sonics did. The curse caused not the failure of a single player but the entire franchise.
Simmons actually just wrote about this yesterday:
Since Portland stupidly passed on MJ for Bowie in 1984, we've seen the following draft calamities at no. 2: Steve Stipanovich, Len Bias (R.I.P.), Armen Gilliam, Danny Ferry, Shawn Bradley, Stromile Swift, Jay Williams, Darko Milicic, Marvin Williams, Michael Beasley, Hasheem Thabeet, Evan Turner and Derrick Williams. Not counting MKG, that's 13 of the last 27 no. 2 picks! Even weirder, 12 other no. 2 picks (Anderson, Mourning, Kidd, Van Horn, McDyess, Camby, Bibby, Francis, Chandler, Okafor, Aldridge, Tisdale) were traded by the teams that selected them within five seasons.
Only Kevin Durant and Gary Payton became franchise players for the teams that drafted them … only that franchise no longer exists. So if you're counting Seattle's murdered franchise, if MKG doesn't make it, we'll be 0 for the last 28 in the "pick him second, pencil him as your franchise guy for the next 12-15 years, retire his jersey" department. There's a reason they call that pick "Number Two."
Have to take issue with some of Simmons's points here.
First, drafting Bowie over MJ was not that bad of a move. Portland already had Clyde Drexler (who is now in the Hall of Fame), so why would they draft another shooting guard? Bowie, when healthy, was a good player. He just couldn't stay healthy.
Second, it's clear from the list above that about half of those guys actually did turn out to be good players. Yeah, it's weird that a lot of them were traded, but they didn't have to be. It's just an odd coincidence.
And then the Seattle thing is just dumb. Payton and Durant don't count because the franchise happened to move (after Peyton retired, no less)?
it explains why it was a dumb pick, mostly because bowie had missed the year before and that he took an 8 hour (!!!) physical for the blazers. I mean if youre so scared that someones going to get hurt, why draft him?
Bill Simmons this week....
He better not slip past the Pistons or Joe Dumars should be tarred and feathered.
Tarring and feathering has not historically had an explicitly racial connection. It goes back to medieval times.
That might be a bit of an overreaction.
You do realize it's almost entirely white people who have been tarred and feathered?
Are you thinking of the "tar baby" or something?
I must be a racist since I used the term "tarred an feathered". Thank you for showing me that I'm a black man from Alabama that hate other black people. I need help. Seriously dude, lighten up...
Please fall to the pistons
No God, please God no. No. Nooo. NOOOOOOOOO!
the next Isiah Thomas? Just not as much of a jerk?
I don't think he's quite as quick as Isiah. OTOH, he may be a better shooter at this point in his career.
He's probably going to be a solid starter for some team for a number of years, but does anyone really think we were looking at one of the 50 greatest NBA players of all time?
I think some people are setting themselves up for disappointment when following his career.
I agree. Burke is great but people should realliy look up a highlight tape for Isiah. It's simply jaw-dropping some of the ball handling and scoring plays he had earlier in his career.
He's Ray Felton ---> Andre Miller (good years) impact level.
Not bad, that's a long career. That's all start games. That's just not All-Time NBA.
I think he can be a Top 10 PG in the league for the next years.
many people say he is small and won't be good, but him and Chris Paul are both the same height (6'0)
I see more Ty Lawson in trey burke's future than Chris paul
Ty Lawson is much more athletic. Trey's NBA analogue is Jameer Nelson. Their college stats are mirror images of each other too.
those stats in the B10, especially this year's B10, is a lot different that putting them up for whichever conference St. Joe's was in at the time.
Trey may not have Lawson's athleticism, but he's got way more than Jameer Nelson ever had. Jameer Nelson had a killer crossover and stepback, but he never had Trey's court vision and he could never have blocked a ball a foot above the rim.
Yes. And LeBron James is bigger than average. And Drew Brees is too short. And Ben Wallace was short for a center.
Now let's consider all the 6'0" guys who AREN'T in the NBA...
So much ignorant homerism in this thread...... some people take a Jameer Nelson-Trey Burke comparison as a slight to Burke when the truth is Burke will be lucky to play at that level in the NBA. Most guys, even those taken in the lottery, don't get to start 7+ years for a team that even made the finals one year and become an All Star.
I just think Nelson is "slow and fat." Okay, that was an exaggeration...but I feel like you know what I mean.
Impact wise, I can certainly see what you're saying. I just say somewhere between Ray Felton and Andre Miller (good years)...so Nelson fits in there, so does Ty Lawson for that matter.
Burke's a lesser version of Chris Paul if we're doing playing style comparisons. I mean, he models his entire game after Paul. I think Deron Williams is another player who Burke compares with. Deron
I know people say "well at this point in Paul's career, he and Burke were on the same level." This is true. Paul wasn't NEARLY the player he is today. But his ceiling was WAY higher than Burke's.
Trey's great, but I don't see him becoming NBA elite (for his entire career). That doesn't mean he's not going to be NBA ROY like Paul. It doesn't mean he won't make all-star games or even be considered a top 3 PG in the league for a fews years. It just means I don't see him on the level (career wise) as Paul, Nash, and Parker.
But if his career is Chauncey Billups...is that a bad thing?
Trey going first would be great for UofM
on the needs of the team making the pick.
As long as he is a high lottery pick, I will be very happy for him. I would almost like to see him go to Cleveland so that Ohio fans would have to cheer for a Wolverine.
Not with Irving there... but it still would be funny...
If that happened, I wonder if they'd stop flashing the Michigan logo on their scoreboard when they want fans to boo.
They still flashed it when Manny Harris was on the team. I know he's not on the level of Burke, but I don't think anything would stop them from using the block M for a cheap boo.
What I love about this article is that he uses statistics to back up his defense of Burke. But it does so much more than that as well. It also shows why guys like GR3 and McGary should stay in school and shows why GM's are so foolish with their picks sometimes.
What would have been a great addition to his column (if possible) would be to point out how the short guys who didn't get drafted as high were passed over for tall guys that failed. Look at some of the athletic tall guys with potential that didn't turn into stars.
At the PG position this year Michael Carter-Williams versus Burke will be an interesting test case. Will a GM fall in love with the long skinny arms and 6'6" frame of MCW even though he has never played man-to-man defense and can't shoot? Maybe he'll learn those things and do great, becoming a mismatch for other PGs. Burke's "potential" may be more limited because he's probably closer to his ceiling both in height and performance.
would be more interesting if MWC had more initial draft hype, say at Marcus Smart level. As it is, Burke will probably go well before him and I don't think GM's looking at MWC will have a chance at Burke (...because Burke will be long off the board).
Speaking of Marcus Smart, one (or perhaps two) of the reasons he stayed in school is because of Trey Burke. Smart said he talked to Burke before making his decision. Also, according to a local (Oklahoma) radio sports show host, Smart told him that he would make his decsion to stay or go based on where he was projected to go in the draft. If that's true, that suggests someone was telling Smart that he wasn't going to be the first PG taken in the draft.
Generally agree with your analysis, but Detroit most definitely needs Burke. Knight is more of a combo guard who can't really handle the point. He would be a better fit as a bench guy or a 2 guard than as a starting PG in my opinion.
The Pistons need to add two things, in my opinion. A SG / SF who can actually shoot and a PG. The SG/SF options aren't great in this draft, though as you mentioned McLemore wouldn't be terrible. I would rather see then add Burke through the draft, since PGs are tough to find in free agency, and then look at a guy like OJ Mayo on the open market. He is a good shooter and a solid defender / hustle guy. Believe it or not he seems to 'play the right way.'
Mclemore would be the least likely pick that the pistons would take. Logjam at the 2, no useful sf, and it looks like knight is not an NBA pg. I think Detroit either goes with Otto porter or in a dream world picks up either iguadala or josh smith and drafts Burke.
The 3 spot is unplayable and an absolute joke, which it currently is. The problem is that if they go two huge laker-style (Monroe and Drummond) they need to surround them with shooters. I really don't see McLemore as a sf, but I guess he could make it. I know smith and iguadala aren't great or even good shooters, but they make up for it with great defense and athleticism. I think Otto porter will shape up into a comparable player, plus he's younger.
Having a star sg is definitely way more valuable, because the era of the great iso sg's is long over and average sg's are garbage across the league now, but I only think you take McLemore if you think he has star potential.
Agree with most of these. There are some good situations there, too. Washington's been looking up and so has Toronto. Utah and Sacto have some interesting pieces that you sense could play better with a good PG orchestrating.
Orlando's tricky because just reinvested in Nelson over the summer for some reason. Only a three year deal though. Could see Burke taking one year as an understudy and then taking over the following year. Hope he doesn't go there, though. Little fan support, no clear idea what they're trying to do in rebuilding, and general fan disatisfaction with small pgs make it seem a bad fit.
I could see New Orleans going for him, too. I think he and Vasquez could share the court. Rivers seems like a lost cause, people are calling him the worst lottery pick (as in worst player) in recent memory. Potentially fun lineup with Davis and Vasquez, with a generally decent idea what they're trying to do.
I'm hoping he goes to Sacto and they relocate to Seattle. Fired up fans, kind of a fun lineup (though there are a lot of guys who want to play like Carmelo there), western conference where he can get up and down is probably better than stuck in the more defensive east (Chicago, Indiana, Boston)
He'll probably go to Phoenix and rot on the bench of the worst managed franchise in the NBA behind Dragic and Marshall (and that's including Sacto, which is some feat).
That has NOTHING to do with racism, "bro".
At people taking racial offense to a "tar and feather" reference. All your future opinions have been rendered obsolete.
I've been seeing OKC in the lottery on a lot of mock drafts...I don't recall who the pick is coming from. Not sure if the pick is protected up to a certain draft position but regardless. Wouldn't it be nice to see OKC slide Russ off the ball and draft Trey? That would almost guarantee Burke a long and successful career at the next level.
Or he could be the next Eric Maynor which I've heard projected by both of my cynical NBA junkie friends