Couldn't get two worse guys to criticize them. Nonetheless, more credible media types are heading in that same direction. Will be very interesting to see if the administration there will continue to resist what will be growing pressure for him to step down.
ESPN First Take Destroys tosu
Still waiting to hear about the NCAA doing ANYTHING other than going after Tressell for lying. As much as I'm enjoying the beating being doled out to Ohio, I would sure like to hear SOMETHING from the NCAA about the car thing and all the other fires that are burning right now.
I know that the NCAA taking down Tressel would have to put OSU in a position to clean house which would logically somewhat damage the program depending on who they hire, but nothing the NCAA has on the table right now specifically calls for sanctions against the program. With the new rounds of allegations that seems warranted but yet nothing heard from the NCAA.
Anymore facial stretching by Skippys doc and we might be blessed with a Ginger Skeletor.
I don't want an SMU-type death penalty. I want them decimated with sanctions and forced to field a shitty team year-end-year-out that demonstrates the price of cheating.
I want their fans to watch their beloved team lose to Minnesota and Indiana, and then get crushed by UM in the last three weeks of a 4-8 season, forcing them all to contemplate "was it all worth it..."
Have no fear, there isn't a chance in hell they get the Death Penalty. What they are being accused of still doesn't come close to what got SMU the Death Penalty.
But this would be a great time for someone to post the pics of Pryor standing next to his 'Vette and Dickerson standing next to his Pontiac "T A&M" Trans AM.
I guess SMU had to pay Dickerson above-and-beyond A&M's cars, whereas OSU got their men for the mere price of "discounted" vehicles. And lots of Tatts.
SMU did a whole lot more than just that to get the Death Penalty though. I don't disagree that there is certainly some very questionable stuff going on at OSU. It's just not even in the same ballpark as what SMU did to get the DP. Even if every allegation ends up being true.
I'll start off by saying I don't think they will get the death penalty. But it will be close. You should start by comparing them to USC's sanctions. They gave benefits to one guy and look what they got. They had the TV ban as an option.
Now look at OSU's possible laundry list of troubles: Selling memborabilia, car deals, vacations, pay for play, housing deals, and lying to the NCAA.
Listing all of it off sure sounds like at least a similar ballpark to SMU.
And on top of that they are looking a possible repeat violator rule because of what the BBall team did and the fact they are on probation for that.
EDIT: I forgot to add to OSU's that they are also accused of paying girls to sleep with recruits and paying Ted Ginn Sr. (Glenville HS Coach) to funnel recruits.
OSU's current violations are similar to what SMU did when they were caught a second time. That's the main reason they got the DP, they were caught, sanctioned, and didn't stop doing anything. They also had some extremely solid evidence against SMU.
OSU's situation is similar, but at the same time drastically different. They are not at risk for the DP due to the Baskeball Teams history. There is no hard evidence linking anyone but Tressel... and the only thing he is really linked to is lying and playing inelgiable players (Major issues, but nothing close to DP worthy). And the majority of the accused violations are still smoke with no fire. Nothing hard has come out about the cars yet, nothing about pay to play, nothing about housing.... just rumors and smoke thus far. And even if all that comes out to be true, unless they don't stop what they are doing like SMU did, they'll survive.
Nothing hard about the cars? Really? Nothing like say, a former player (Ray Small) confirming it?
Ray Small didn't necessarily confirm it like the quote that is being cherry picked makes it seems.
This quote atleast implies that not only student athletes were getting the hookup:
"(People say) ‘Oh you got a deal, it's because you're an athlete,'" Small said. "Playing for Ohio State definitely helps. But I know a lot of people that do nothing and get deals on their cars."
How can something be similar but at the same time very different?
Sharing certain traits but being different in others.
The car dealer said that compliance called him over 50 times. This directly contradicts the AD's story. We don't know the whole truth about the cars and we won't until the news media pries the documents out of osu's cold, dead hands.
I don't think we know what all is involved yet i think we are seeing the tip of the iceburg right now! Ohio State can't escape this at all....
i don't need them to suffer for long, but i don't think 4-8 is bad enough. maybe something like, 3-9, 5-7, 7-5 and then whatever as long as we beat them every year (and of course finish ahead of them)
Not to be repetitive but the NCAA doesn't have anything in front of it but Tressell lying and any sanctions related to that will be personal to him. I'm still holding my enthusiasm until they start lobbing around inquiries at the program rather than just Tressel.
Maybe I'm paranoid after a decade of watching their teflon-like ways but I somehow fear this coming down on Tressel with no sanctions against the program, he being fired or resigning at some point and then OSU making some kind of wonder hire like Urban Meyer or another huge name and just continuing to roll on.
I don't see a Death Penalty in their future. Remember, this is the NCAA dealing with it and they are all about the $$$$. As much as we love to hate OSU and their fans, they travel well and bring the NCAA gobs of money come bowl season. That makes me believe that OSU might lose one year of bowl eligibility but not much more than that.
OSU Should only be able to give 15 a year for 4 years. That would allow them to field a team win some games but be handicapped just enough to make it very uncomfortable for a while.
I they are corrupt (and I believe it will be proven that they are), they should be hammered. However, I don't pay attention to anything Skip Bayless says. He makes Jim Rome look like a serious journalist.
He makes Jim Rome look like a serious journalist.
Talk about going for the jugular. You could have just said he was a Nazi or something, but that?
Okay, he's probably a Nazi too.
I'M STEPHEN A. SMITH, EVERYTHING I SAY IS IMPORTANT
Read it in his voice. Touche, sir...
BROOK LOPEZ WHY WONT YOU TALK TO STEPHEN A SMITH
BROOK LOPEZ WHY WONT YOU TALK TO STEPHEN A SMITH
But at this point, I love simple watching the bashing for entertainment alone.
Love the idea that Stephen A. Smith talks in ALL CAPS.
So, my understanding of the Death Penalty (which I will NOT abbreviate by its initials, lest it be twisted into something sexual) is that, if a program is on probation for a major violation, and then during the probation period commits the same offense, it is liable for Death.
Right now, tSIO is already on probation for having paid basketball players money. Thus, if the SI story turns out to truthfully report that more hoops players were paid, then that would qualify for Death of the hoops program.
Here is my question. What if no hoops players were P2P, but only football players (within the probationary period)? Does that mean the football team could get the Death Penalty based on previous violations of the basketball program?
Stated another way -- is the entire tSIO athletic department on probation such that a repeat violation by ANY sport subjects that sport to Death, or must it be the same sport repeating the violation.
BTW, guys, if there is Death or even a TV ban, we lose a game where we can watch us crush a bunch of walkons. Rather they have no scholie players and field an IM team. Which brings us a new arch-rival, the Huskers.
I am ok with them getting a heavy punishment, 10 yrs of cheating and Tressel covering it all up. I don't care how severe the punishments are.
that under this future, it will be no fun beating them. I'm sure there are many M fans that will love beating them under any circumstances, but I'm not one of them. To me, the fun of the rivalry is when we are roughly equal (maybe not in a single year, but over a few years period)
Have you been in a cave the last 8 years bro? Qualifying the level of fun associated with ANY imminent win over OSU is silly. Take whatever you can get right now and be happy, and have this conversation after a 4 year win streak.
I won't. If there is no challenge to beating someone, when you do it there's no fun involved, for me anyway.
So in your opinion they shouldn't count their current winning streak? They're going to be punished because players were receiving ridiculous benefits and therefore wanted to play for them, making it an advantage. When you're recruiting at an alarming rate for years on end it's not hard to beat your opponents down, so their wins were "no fun".
The NCAA should put them in their grave, especially considering how badly they punished USC, and I'm going to celebrate it.
Regarding the probation issue, it's my understanding that athletic departments are put on probation, not individual teams. During the Michigan investigation there was the possibility that Michigan would be labeled a "repeat offender" because the athletic department was still on probation from the basketball scandal. The NCAA had to explicitly state that Michigan was not a repeat offender at the end of their investigation. (I could be wrong, because my understanding is based entirely on Michigan's recent ordeal.)
Regarding the death penalty, there's no way OSU gets the death penalty. What SMU did was a lot worse than what OSU has been (so far) accused of. In addition, in the wake of the SMU ruling, the NCAA has admitted that if they knew the long-term effects of the death penalty, they wouldn't have handed it down. It will take something even worse than the SMU scandal for any team to be dealt the death penalty these days. Even if what OSU was doing ends up being worse than SMU, I still doubt they get the death penalty, simply because of the NCAA's reluctance to use it and the fact that SMU was a literal repeat offender, in that the NCAA found violations, sanctioned them for it, put them on probation, and SMU just never stopped what they were doing.
The death penalty idea is fucking retarded and there are two main reasons. First the NCAA realized that they killed an entire program and have basically stated that they will never do that again. Second they got caught with a legitimate payroll while on probation for having a legitimate payroll. They were the most arrogant cheaters on the planet even after getting caust. tosu may have been cheating forever but they've been smart enough, until this point, to not get caught. but thank god for Ray Small. i'm going to send flowers to his funeral when some crazed bucknut kills him
Yes, the NCAA did say it would probably never do that again. Which speaks to the idiocy of the NCAA. SMU got the death penalty because it deserved the death penalty. For crissake, it had a payroll -- even after it had been warned. If a program cheats, then cheats more, of course the program should be disbanded.
It's not the NCAA's problem that SMU took a long time to recover. That's the point of the death penalty. SMU is lucky it was ever given a second chance. I'm glad it got one in the end. But the timing, to me, seems fair. SMU needed to start from scratch, or else. Having a football program isn't a right; it's a privilege.
Nobody's going to get the death penalty ainec. There's no point in even contemplating this.
I remember UM needing to be worried about our NCAA stretch-gate, because we were in the final years of BB probation. Of course it didn't matter and was completely unrelated, but it was still an issue.
Since the characters at OSU are all the same, this may be an issue for them.
The answer is yes potentially under the institutional control guideline BUT OSU hasn't really been charged with anything. The allegations for the August hearing are geared at Tressel more so than the athletic department
I always thought these two never got enough credit for their work.
that a death penalty is likely...heck, if USC didn't get one, tosu won't.
But severe penalties, on the line of USC? Completely possible.
This may be MUCH worse than USC - lack of complete institutional control.
I don't think the death penalty is likely, but they may get nuked to damn near it.
But as more stuff came out it is clear OSU's is worse.
I guess it's time to officially BKFinest these posts of yours. BILG it.
... lots of college players have been accused of that. Hell, we had Feagen in one transaction. Scott Skiles was convicted of it in Indiana, IIRC, and kept playing at MSU -- gee, shocker there.
But, does drug dealing by players in any way violate NCAA rules that can bring sanctions on the program? Obviously, if the coach knew and condoned it, but the odds of THAT are so remote as to be stupidly impossible. I don't really see how, if AJ Hawk (as a HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE, not implying anything, I don't know why he had $3000 cash in his dorm room, everyone commits murder anyway) was dealing, how does that bring sanctions on tSIO?
If the compliance staff knew players were all driving fancy chargers, monte carlos, etc, and loaner cars, and the coach knew that players were selling memorbilia to a known dealer, and they all conveniently looked past these facts, that sounds an awful lot like lack of institutional control to me. It is not a stretch to suppose that the guys that were selling rings and trinkets to Rife, were selling something else in exchange to finance the lavish lifestyles generally known around campus.
that Skip's brother cooks the best food in the world.
Frontera Grill and Salpica brand salsas are probably the best commercially available. Rick is a seriously good cook.
as he was in the anthropology doctoral program for a time during the 80s (though he realized that cooking and writing cookbooks was a better use of his talents than completing a dissertation).
is that Rick is probably one of the nicest, humblest, most mild mannered and softspoken people I've ever seen. Guess it runs in the family.
Edward Rife, the Columbus tattoo parlor owner who bought memorabilia from Ohio State football players, has been charged with drug trafficking and money laundering.
The Associated Press reports that court documents indicate Rife will plead guilty to one count of conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute more than 200 pounds of marijuana, and one count of money laundering. He will cooperate with authorities.
But, cooperate for WHAT?
Sounds like, cooperate to find out where he was getting the ganji, you know, who his suppliers were. That's how drug rings are busted, they get the low guys on the totem pole, and use their testimony to go up the tree until they find the ultimate guys who are bringing it into the country by the truckfulls.
We shouldn't infer it means, the DOJ is looking to get his help to put tSIO on NCAA sanctions.
see you there
57-44-6 = 57-35-6
Days since Ohio State last legitimately beat Michigan...
That's a landslide any way you slice it.
they'd have to commit major violations while on probation for major violations. also, after seeing what the death penalty did to SMU, ncaa most likely will never give it out again. I think we're talking major scholarship reduction and bowl ban here
The NCAA has given out the death penalty twice since SMU, and in both cases the program was not on probation/did not have major prior offenses.
Then again, Bayless and Smith would call for the firing of their sandwich artist for not putting enough mayo on their subs. They're just national versions of Rob Parker.
THIS IS HOW I IMAGINE THAT CONVERSATION WENT!
Steven A. & Skip are definitely over the top most of the time but still very entertaining and funny to watch
there is too much money that would be sacrificed if the Death Penalty were instituted. USC had athletes getting improper benefits but they could not prove the coaches knew about it. With tO$U they have a long history of violations under Tress and they now have proof positive of many violators. To make matters worse Tress knew about it and lied about it on many occasions. I don't see how the NCAA can give them anything less than twice the punshment that USC got.
I hate calling for a coach's job, and I've only done it 3 or 4 times in my career. That sounds really consistent to me. Also classic, I don't care if they violated the rules because the rules are unfair, but it's the hypocritical action of Tressell. Gee, rules are rules and unless they change, you should enforce the rules.
tOSU is keeping Tressell around because the longer he's around, the more they can pin on Tressell and also see how much more lying he does. Then tOSU can fire him prior to the meeting with the NCAA, or at worst, play the Jim O'Brien card and explain that the only reason they haven't fired him is because of what happened the last time.
As for the Repeat Offender Rule in the NCAA rule book (otherwise known as the death penalty), they have to have major violations committed while already on probabtion anywhere in the athletic department. Since it was basketball and not football, without a direct link, can't see the DP happening. Even if they can make the clear link, and the problem goes beyond Tressel, which it hasn't yet (and for all we know, those links between the issues and the compliance department might exist), I'd see a maximum penalty looking more like what happened at Baylor basketball, where the conference schedule was maintained for 2 years, but no non-conference schedule, no home games, etc. Then at least the other BIG10 schools don't get penalized, and five of them get an additional home game for two years.
Yeah, I don't think they are credible enough to change the smugg minds of tosu administrators. Nothing's going to happen with Tressel until the NCAA makes their ruling.