It's just ESPN.
Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
It's just ESPN.
I never miss a good opportunity to call Rittenberg & Bennett lazy trolls.
Rittenberg will go down in history as the guy who asked Brady Hoke this question. It's almost like he was perfect casting for the role of know-nothing reporter who was made to look stupid:
I believe I had suppressed that fact in my mind. I didn't want to have to try to think about us owing Rittenberg in any way for this gem.
Thank Rittenberg's ignorance and idiocy for that gem.
It will go down in history as his "The Team, The Team, The Team" moment.
for Crisler. Next
I'm confused. The extra seat is reserved for Fritz Crisler. Am I missing something here?
Now you guys have me confused. I'm just going to ride this out and agree with the person who inevitably ends with a +5.
your statement is also recursive.
i will respond to this post in a trolling manner so that way you end with the +5
EDIT: Flamebait? I was going for trolling.. can't even get this right.. mom was right, i will never amount to anything.
not part of the article. Fail.
Michigan Stadium has always had an 'extra' seatreserved for Fielding Yost
Yep, it's reserved for Crisler.
there is an SI Vault article about Crisler, that I can't link to directly but is alluded to here (http://mvictors.com/?p=661) that, as MVictors summarizes, believes the extra seat is reserved for Amos Alonzo Stagg, legendary UChicago coach of yore and Crisler's mentor. Though, I believe that the official AD line nowadays is that the seat is for Crisler and that's what most/all fans think. But as far as I can research, there has never been a definitive true, bullet-proof explanation of who the seat is for, just guesses and assumptions, one of which has hardened into quasi-fact over the years and been condoned by the AD. But really, its within the realm of possibility the seat could be for Stagg, or Yost, or even somebody completely random; wife, a child, a favorite ex-player, "promised" to a recruit, or a recruit's family member...
I do know that we can illustrate it with some degree of accuracy.
Says more about the stupidity of the rankers than it does the big house.
We are one of the best stadiums in the country let alone the B1G. Definitely a Blue hater !
Regardless of where we're at, they did a really poor job on these videos.
They don't give any reasons...
Since when does ESPN's opinion matter? The guy who wrote it probably got rejected from Michigan.
So, no offense, but I bet he could have gotten into Michigan if he wanted to.
You are probably right, but a Class of 2012 graduate at my old high school who is a legacy (father, uncle) at Michigan did not get in. Where is he going you ask? Northwestern. College admissions at the at high academic universities can be a crapshoot.
But I will just add that Adam and I went to NU's Medill School of Journalism at the same time, and I was accepted to Michigan four months before NU finally gave me an answer. My bigger point is that calling other people stupid and claiming they couldn't attend your school is always an assy move and reflects poorly on your fanbase. Adam dislikes Michigan because he's a huge NU fan, not because he holds some grudge over admissions.
Maybe the Medill School of Journalism should have taught him to journalize without so much bias. Just sayin'.
There is no such thing as an unbiased Top 10 list. Give me a freaking break.
They could have used measures such as capacity, luxury capacity, attendance/capacity, maximum recorded db levels at midfield, # of years in existance (tradition) to make an unbiased top 10 list.
And you wouldn't be talking about it. I'm not saying they made a good list. It's idiotic to put five stadiums in the country above the Big House, let alone in the Big Ten. But you only do this kind of listicle nonsense to foment controversy. There is literally no other reason to do it. Your outrage encourages them to do it again. It's sucky, but it's the Internet. There's a reason the Freep has never fired Drew Sharp, unfortunately.
I wasn't referring to this article specifically in mentioning Rittenberg's bias. He has shown an ability to be biased in a number of forums (fora?).
rank NU's high school stadium over the Big House then?
No. 10, ahead of only Purdue and Indiana, which...YEAH.
ESPN should change it's name to JOKE.
that guy looks like dantonio
like the woodchipper operator guy from the movie Fargo.
Wait, Dantonio put a guy's body through a woodchipper!?!? But he is a man of DISCIPLINE!!!
he scrupulously pored over every detail of his plan before shoving said body through a woodchipper in a most orderly and regimented fashion. It was only through years of disipline and mortification that he was able to perform such a deed while maintaining such a grim look of stern determination.
That's because I believe he is. He's also the nihilist in The Big Lebowski.
or Karl Hungus from Big Lebowski.
Posting this to the espn blog made Adam Rittenberg very happy.
For whatever reason, journalists that attended Northwestern (Wilbon, Rittenberg) seem to hate Michigan. Anyone have an idea why?
I have been told that some Northwestern fans judge U-M fans the most obnoxious in the conference.
I didn't hear reasons, but if I had to speculate I would guess it's partly because of the way we turn their stadium into a neutral site via our sheer numbers. Also because it's the one school in the Big Ten that can credibly claim to be "better" than Michigan (due to its selectivity)--and I think that gets under some U-M fans' skin and compromises their congeniality.
Well, the second part is probably true, but on TV it looks like ~9 of the Big Ten teams have a large enough travelling fan presence to turn Northwestern's stadium into a neutral site (at worst)
I asked her why Northwestern fans hate Michigan and she said she must have missed that memo. Sorry for adding absolutely nothing to this discussion.
When I was applying to college the opinions I heard reflected more of a "grass is always greener" mentality. A lot of the people I talked to in Michigan thought Northwestern was a little better and the people in Chicago thought Michigan was a little better. I concluded that they were pretty much on the same level but Michigan is a lot bigger with more departments. I almost went to northwestern for the campus alone though.
And in my experience, this mentality plays a role in some Northwestern fans' antipathy to Michigan and Michigan fans. There exists a sense of academic superiority over the rest of the Big Ten that serves as a balm against the sting of coming up short in athletics. Michigan, though, not only regularly bests the Wildcats on the field of play, but is academically superior in many ways as well.
But it's definitely the case. When I was at NU, I definitely risked getting into a shouting match if I mentioned being a Michigan fan. It's possible it has something to do with a lot of NU's biggest wins in program history were over Michigan: 1995 and 2000, specifically, but they still feel that the fanbase doesn't respect their team as an annual threat.
It doesn't go as far as Illinois's obsession with Michigan does for out-and-out jealousy, though. That shit is hilarious.
There's no weirder or more hilarious response to being a Michigan fan than that provided by a for no apparent reason irate Illini fan. That fanbase is actually more neurotic than Michigan State's. Good times.
They have grudges built up from, like 1986 and discuss calls that literally no Michigan fan remembers. It's just. Too. Funny. It's yet another reason why I cackled with glee when we won that game in...2001(?) on that botched fumble call. Every Illini fans' brains asplode.
That puts Beaver Stadium, the Horseshoe, Camp Randall, Kinnick (???), and Nebraska ahead of Michigan Stadium.
You can make plausible arguments for the Shoe. I don't know enough about Nebraska. The rest are... interesting choices.
My thoughts are, if you are going to rate the best stadium in the Big 10 it is hands down The Big House. History, tradition, memories, seats, classic design.
It looks as though they are basing the ranking almost purely on game day experience. In the regard, I would put The Big House #2 or #3 behind Penn State and Wisconsin. Ohio State behind us because of the antics that go on there.
Have ya been to Penn State? From the outside it looks like an erector set and they played top 40 music over the PA for an entire hour before the game.
I've been, twice. Both were night games. And while I'll agree the place is nothing to look at on the outside, inside the atmosphere is really really good. The fans are non stop on their feet and loud. I went in 2006 when we took out Morelli and Clark (HAIL crushing Penn State quarterbacks)....loud as hell. And I went in 2010 when the walk on QB made us look like pre-schoolers....loud as hell.
All that said, give me the Big House or GIVE ME DEATH.
Come on. Don't you know that when people from around the country make their lists of college football stadiums they'd love to visit, Iowa and Wisconsin's stadiums are always on it? Who wants to be part of the largest crowd anywhere in America when you can see . . . uh, a water tower?
Not surprised. They probably didn't even watch the ND game last September. Also, I guess you get bonus points for having advertising all over your stadium.
"What school has the biggest fan base?"
"Right. So we'll put them really low on our stadium list to piss them off and generate lots of page clicks from their anger."
Seriously. THis is how it's done. Relax.
I haven't given ESPN any clicks since bowl brackets wrapped up.
Meh. No surprise since Rittenberg basically said he doesn't like Michigan Stadium several times. If our biggest offseason outrage is being placed lower than we like in a filler beauty contest on ESPN that's trolling for clicks, then we've come an awfully long way in a year.
hahaha thats cute.
its really just a way to try and piss our fanbase off in order to gain additional clicks to their site. dont take the bait.
Definitely gives them a home field advantage.
If only we had listened to the "Save Michigan Stadium" people. But we just wouldn't listen. We wouldn't LISTEN!
/ shakes fist at luxury boxes /
I got suckered into clicking that stupid link and I hate myself for even giving it a single pageview, so the guy in the video said that if it was based on size and tradition then Big House is #1, the only knock was not enough sound for a stadium this size, then he goes on to say the improvements helps signicantly and at the UTL game it was as loud as anywhere he's been so..... fixing the only knock given and still 6th? troll so hard
Hey says, "With having the biggest stadium and the most traidition, Michigan could easily be number one on our list but as it is........they come in 6th."
Show me another stadium in the big ten featured on ABC every fall saturday throughout the 90s.
This is a joke.
I'm sure their justification for Wisconsin will heavily rely on jump around and Iowa for the good all-american feel you get when you play inside a mid-sized stadium in a cornfield
Iowa and Wisconsin get serious bonus points for crowd diversity...
This is a probably a case of the old "Michigan Stadium isn't as loud as it should be, so that means their stadium isn't THAT cool" drivel.
It's a really worn-out tiring argument. I personally think Michigan Stadium, with the added help of the athletic department, has gotten noticably louder just within the past 7 years.
What's bad - putting Michigan at 6th on that list. What's worse - the video they made telling why. It sounds like Brian Bennett doesn't really know why it's at #6, and he doesn't give any reasons to back up the ranking. The best line from the video? Bennett saying that Michigan Stadium is the largest in the country, and if they had done the rankings based on size alone, Michigan "would probably be #1."
It's the Bleacher Report method. Come up with some idea for a list of best or worst, have some schlub who knows little more or in some cases less than the average fan come up with the order off the top of his head. After the list is created come up with sliding scales and inane reasoning to back up the list. Throw in a few "shockers" that will arouse the largest fan bases, and sit back and watch people create ad revenue by clicking on and discussing the results. It's money in the bank, and it doesn't require any real thought or effort.
I guess I could see a case for Wisconsin, Penn State, and Nebraska. If they are basing it on gameday experience I guess OSU could be a good experience if you are an OSU fan, but if you are a fan of the visiting team let's just say it is not an enjoyable experience. Iowa is pretty cool and the fans are always extremely enthusiastic. Their student section definitley doesn't suffer from the apathy that ours does, but still overall the Big House has them beat. Personally I'd rank them Michigan, Nebraska, Wisconsin, PSU, Iowa, and then OSU.
Still not clear to me what these two get paid for.
if this were based on toughest places to play, id be much more understanding. the shoe, camp randall and beaver are probably much louder. ive heard the case with iowa as well. but the rankings are garbage. adam rittenberg claimed the stadium is completely overrated. michigan stadium is a
cathedral of college football.
its not the loudest by any means, but it should be on the bucket list of any college football fan as a place to see a game in.
I stopped reading that blog long ago. I suggest you all do the same.
the piped in generic music lowered our score
Wow! Ranked #6 in the B10? Yea, I'm calling bullshit on that one.
Brought to you by the network more concerned with boo-ya than integrity.
Ask any real fan for a list of the top five college football stadiums, and ninety percent of them will include Michigan Stadium. This list is laughable at best.
What are the criterion?
So if it were based on size, history and tradition, the Big House is number one, but somehow other "stuff" makes it drop all the way to 6th?
There's no way we're below the 6th loudest, or the 6th most aethetically pleasing, so what the fuck?
I guess the answer is; ESPN.
Recruits see things a bit differently. Our stadium is one of the major attractions to national recruits. They rave about being there as the highlight of their visits.
Nothing to see here. And Ohio has seats in their asylum that don't allow you to see half of the field, so screw ESPN, the BIG 10 blog and Ohio. The Big House is superior in every way to any other BIG 10 stadium IMO.
I mean that opening pic of the stadium in that video a lone makes the big house seem like its the best stadium in the world. Seriously, this guy is nuts.
First two stadiums I ever attended games at were The Big House and Notre Dame, man did I get spoiled. My 3rd was Penn State and I was disgusted by all the corporate sponsorships and gimmicky crap that seemed to never end. The place looks like they just threw up random extra seats wherever they could fit them so they could have a larger capacity and catch up with Michigan. The entire upper deck would shake when the fans started jumping up and down, I thought the place was going to collapse. The fact that they have them as the number 2 is a joke. Luckily the game I attended was the one where the D-Line knocked out Morelli then their second string QB as well so I got to enjoy running my mouth to the ignorant PSU fans.
So what is it about the Big House that makes everyone think it's so superior to the stadiums that fall above it? I went to Michigan, and I love my Big House, but I can see it. Biggest does not always mean best.
you are not nearly as objective and unbiased as all of the other posters on this thread.
"Biggest does not always mean best"
Says the guy with a tiny penis.
I'd have agreed with this prior to the recent renovations at Michigan Stadium. Since then..... biggest AND best.
After the renovations, there aren't a whole lot of things other stadiums can claim to have that Michigan Stadium doesn't. I sat in the Jack Roth Stadium Club one game last season and can't imagine a better experience anywhere, if you're talking view, service, food, ect. Add that to the capacity, and the fact that the atmosphere has been amazing (I've heard nothing but rave reviews about UTL) recently, and I think you have a top-five college football stadium, anywhere in the nation.
Things Brian Bennett said Michigan Stadium has in its favor:
Things Brian Bennett said goes against Michigan Stadium:
Yawn, I've heard this same re-hashed evaluation of the Big House about a trillion times. Nice work, ESPN.
Brian Bennett is a dingus.
I ranked ESPN the 6th best network for college football news.
....but are we, by Bennett's own admission in the video, being knocked from one to six because of an acoustic condition that used to exist before the renovations? Did I miss something here? If not, then I admit to not even understanding the reasoning or how he believes that this is an orginal thought about Michigan Stadium.
you are interpreting ESPN correctly. there was very little effort put into this series, you can see that by the shitty production in the videos. honestly, neither Brian nor Adam are particularly good on camera, but I can let that slide. nerds gonna nerd, & I'm also a nerd, so good on them. nerds are good for the sporting world.
but yeah, this is not a list backed up by any solid presentation of evidence or criteria. it's not a transparent system by any means, & it's pretty silly for us to really care about it all (shame on me for commenting twice in this thread) ... it's just arbitrary, & whoever is on camera says some generic words, & that's it. it's a filler, a buzz-generating off-season 'thing' ... it's just ESPN. you've already got it figured out.
Sad to say it but that might be correct I've been going for ten years to the big house and last year was the best year of them all ( notre dame game ) the old farts there need to go ( down in front ) never had a true maize out look at Wisconsin psu osu there fans all where there colors and stand the whole game and cheer. I love Michigan but some of the old farts got to go Go Blue and we have the biggest stadium in the country
I would rank Brian Bennett's poise and TV presence sixth in a group of him and five centipedes. And the video? I think I made something with better video quality in a one-credit "viral video" class that I took as a joke.
Seriously there need to be more comments on the overall quality of that video. It's more worthwhile than engaging ESPN trolling.
1. Find me news about OSU, UM, ND, Texas or A & M
2. If there is no news, just make something up
3. If you cannot think of anything to make up, just troll one of them for the page hits.
is this a sick joke???
who cares what some jackass noname reported from ESPN says.
Isn't the 'it's not loud enough' argument a bit antiquated? These people obviously caught a game a few years ago at the end of the Lloyd era where it was business as usual for most all games.
And what is this notion that the Big House is a dump? I get the bowl is tight and you get a bench but most college stadiums are bench seating and cramming us in there is part of the appeal of being the largest crowd anywhere in America on that given day. I feel like the rest is top notch: wide concourse, beautiful brickwork, suites, big screens, no cattle herding ramps, etc. Am I just a naive homer?