For once instead of being overhyped and not living up to expectations, they have been underhyped and are doing better than anyone thought. This is ridiculous.
i refuse to even consider this a possibility
Not gunna win many games when your 2-5 in the redzone. With 2 FGs.
6 turnovers and we lost by 1 td. Im very dissapointed, but the game was still close.
Doesn't matter if you lose by 1 or 50. A loss is a loss. In 10 yrs no one will remember the score. They will remember the outcome.
People will remember. I still remember 1989, and not only how we lost but the fact was we should have won. I still remember 1990--the index card game. Trust me, many will remember possessing the ball the entire game, turning it over 6 times and losing by 7. Alabama I will just remember as a loss.
Yep. '88 was brutal, too, and that was the year ND won it all--we were sooooo close to both them and Miami, and won the Rose Bowl. That makes a difference.
I think quite a bit more fondly of the '04 season than some other years simply because, with key freshmen, Michigan came *that* close to beating Texas in the Rose Bowl, and we know how good that team turned out the next year.
If Michigan wins the B1G this year it will matter that the game tonight was winnable.
probly safe to change your avitar now.
Holy crap this sucks.
Remember, it could be worse:
Heck the Gophers are 4-0
Terrible spot. Stupid flag on the whistle. Just remind yourselves, 6 TO. We didn't deserve it. Feel bad for the D though, they played great...
Couldn't agree more. Defense played exceptional considering the field positions they were constantly put in.
The D is still very young and raw. I'm hopeful for the future once Mattison tutors these kids a couple years.
DO you really think that this team will beat Stanford, OU, or SC? I don't.
So will everyone credit the Notre Dame defense with that? I don't.
They are losing to K State at home.
Why can't I have alcohol while deployed. I feel the need to drink myself to sleep.
Horrible game. Horrible QB play. Love Denard and the last two years we won because of him, this year we lost because of him. Got to take the good with the bad my friend.
As much as I love Denard and watching him play and electrify the field, I find myself wanting to skip the rest of the season to the beginning of the 2013 season where we first get an accurate portrayal of Brady Hoke with his first true west coast offense and who will be the future of Michigan in Shane Morris. But you are absolutely right. We need to look not at the past but at the good that is bound to come for the rest of this season, and the reason we won last season in Denard. Go Blue!!!
Unfortunately, Denard will be remembered in the future as an exciting curiosity rather than a truly transcendant player. We'll love him, of course, but to the rest of the world he will be something like Antwaan Randle El or Woodrow Dantzler, tremendous players who never quite hit the next level.
It's not like ND was very impressive. In fact, they were dominated in several aspects of the game. Probably 9-3 at best. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what else you do if you turn the ball over 6 times.
This is all your fault: You just had to do this this: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/ot-worst-qb-performances-all-time
I had the same thought after INT # (4?)...
We outplayed them man. Frustrating game.
240 yards and 13 points allowed and we still come out short.
A postive though. The D played its best game of the year.
That is a positive, but Notre Dame's pathetic offense had something to do with that.
Michigans offense goes as Denard goes and tonight he was terrible. Overall Michigan is not an elite team, not even close. Hoke has a lot work to do to get this program to a top 10 team Nationally
Done a lot of that work. Two years and the recruits he has coming in. We'll be fine.
I think we're closer than you think. Through last year and this year the coaches have shown they were able to improve the team throughout the season. I thought the D played great especially considering the positions they were put in, and all the freshmen we're playing. As long as the staff is able to curb attrition seen on during RR, I think we'll be alright. The thing I'm worried a about is getting offensive players who can actually make Borges' system work. Cause it's not pretty right now.
We simply gave the game away with turnovers. We deserved to lose that one. All we know now that we didn't know before the game is Denard makes just as many bad decisions as he did last year.
We still have no running game outside of Denard. This is truly going to be an up and down season.
had to return ND to glory because that is all we'll hear about for the rest fo the week. At least, Denard is being groomed for the NFL.
For the NFL you say? He just doesn't make the right decisions. He's clairvoyant running the ball, but had no clue where to put it when passing. I hope he can catch.
Pretty sure he means groomed for the nfl as a running back
Notre Dame, as average as they are a football team, will go to the BCS this year and it will be horrendous to endure ND fans the rest of the season. I think they'll beat SC.
Love the effort on D today. I dug the playcalling by Borges as well. Too bad Denard is still mistake prone. I still see our future potential.
For a second i really thought i has a gnat on my monitor and was about to crush it
Agreed, I think Borges and mattison both called pretty good games tonight. I think if v smith could've hit dileo instead of throwing the pick we would've had a completely different ballgame
The sky is falling!!!
And this is why scheduling Bama was really really stupid (or just another reason). 3-1 is a lot better than 2-2. Oh well. A bigger problem I think is that I don't think we have any QBs next year who can do what Borges is going to ask them to do either.
Good news: I still think we can win the B1G. God this league sucks.
I'm really hoping Borges isn't around this time next year...
C'mon, man. Borges didn't turn the ball over. I still won't neg you, as I cannot neg Always Sunny.
...here's a Charlie gif for ya!
I am really hoping that you aren't around this time next year . . .
I'm clearly not a troll, as is referenced by my karma of 2 and the fact that I can count on my fingers every post of mine that's gotten flagged as -1 since we started doing this fake points thing. I'm just a guy who's very pissed off and in an effort to come to grips with what just happened, I've latched on tightly the to the trick play that turned into a Vince Smith int in the redzone. Am I overexaggerating? Clearly. But regardless, I still don't like Borges and can't my mind of off what might have been if he had kept to what was working on that drive.
Why does everyone not understand that Borges IS NOT A SPREAD OC?? He is doing the best with what he was got and personally I think he has done a damn good job with Denard. Tonight was not systematic flaws, it was flaws woth Denard which we all know of. When Borges gets the tools he needs, I have just as much confidence in him as Hoke does, which is more than enough for me.
Outside of Alabama, I'm thinking college football in general isn't terribly impressive this year. And when you throw in replacement refs, the NFL blows, too.
You know what? Sure, the loss sucks, but we had 5 turnovers (not counting the INT at end of half) and were in a position to win on the road against a legitimately good team and only lost by 7. Yeah, I'm not happy, but on any other night when Denard doesn't have the worst game of his life we probably win this; and ND at this point is going to be better than any other team we play the rest of the year - yes, I said it.
It was actually a respectible game... nothing dirty. B10 championship here we come.
/throws five INTs, loses to Northwestern
Is both a blessing and a curse. Both helps and hurts the program. All in all I am terribly happy he is a Michigan man, but I'm not sure he is good for Michigan football.
He is a Michigan man and I live that about him.
As a WR/PR he would be a Heisman worthy player who would do well versus elite teams. It is a credit to his work ethic that he has gone as far as he has as a QB. But as we all see he is too limited as a QB to be a championship-caliber quarterback.
In what world do you live in where Denard "hurts" our program? I'm not sure there's a more likable player in all of major sports. I don't care how pissed/hurt/frustrated you are after this game; I feel worse for him than I could ever dream of being pissed about this game. Watching him play, for all his worts, has been the most fun I've ever had in my Michigan fan-hood.
Your Michigan fan hood probably goes back about ten years at most.
Denard is a wonderful human being, but he is clearly limited as a qb and has not really improved in three years. How is it unreasonable to think we may be better off with a different qb situation?
I would say Denard was the lone bright spot during the worst 3 years of Michigan football of my life, and he gave us a sugarbowl championship. Thus, we might be a better offense with a different quarterback, but you could say that about 99 percent of teams, and I don't think he hurts the program at all. Also, to say that he hasn't improved in three years is nonsense.
In two weeks we start B1G play. Yes i am pissed about how bad this team played tonight, but we still can win the B1G and go to the Rose Bowl.
Very frustrating game. I love Denard and I'll be sad to see him graduate, but nearly every time he's gone up against a good defense he's made terrible mistakes. Three of his picks tonight were just... bad. Very encouraging game from the defense, however. Can still win the Big Ten, but it's going to be tough if our QB can't tighten things up. And I don't really think he will. He's just not a good passer. Pain!
The one positive I take from this terrible game is that our defense looked pretty good. If Borges can get away from the uncessary trickery and Denard learn a little discretion we'll be fine.
is getting tatted the Fuck up.
Would have loved to beat them, would feel a lot better tonight, but what was everyone expecting, long term? That ND was just going to bring in top recruiting classes annually, pay top dollar for coaches annually, have a ton of fan support annually, and lose annually?
We're a flawed team, and it showed. The good news is we can still win the Big Ten and have a Rose Bowl season.
The bitch is that we (Denard, Borges) played so bad and yet we still had a great chance to beat a team that embarrassed Sparty last week. Based upon what happened today I will be really disappointed if we somehow end up losing to MSU next month.
We were in a position to win at the end despite playing the worst offensive game of the Hoke era. We're not terrible. We're not perfect, either, but we are a good team and will have success this season.
And MSU was very unimpressive today. I say the only way they beat us this year is if Shoelace has a repeat performance of what we just saw tonight.
Don't think Dantonio isn't absorbing every bit of this film to figure out how to replicate this performance. MSU is going to play us tough no matter how bad their offense may be.
Not saying you're wrong in any way, but how often do even average college teams turn the ball over six times? Dantonio and Narduzzi can't replicate that...hopefully.
The game is over. ND is now irrelevant for Michigan. I highly recommend not caring what comes of ND.
To HELL with Notre Dame and their French whore-assess. God this game sucked to watch. Good game by the defense overall. Denard killed his own team but at the same time they still should have won (yes, should).
How? They didn't do anything on offense. Their sole TD came as the result of a stupid PI by a true freshman.
Eff me...I swear I didn't hit save twice.
Bud Light Lime-a-Ritas are good.
Also, at this point who are you legitimately worried about vs. us in conference play?
Purdue, Nebraska and Ohio. All on the road......I think we can win every game but I also know we could lose every game. I think we'll go 2-1 in those games and make the championship game. At home vs the B1G, other than MSU, we should be able to win without major issues.
Or maybe they haven't played anyone yet? Lets be honest, we played like shit tonight, any time a team has 6 TO you should be winning by a lot more than 1 touchdown. They've played Navy, Purdue, and Michigan State. Navy sucks this year, Purdue almost beat them, MSU was overhyped, and well we know what happened tonight. Great, Notre Dame is 4-0, but they will still be going to some shit bowl at years end.
Notre Dame never plays anyone...but they still always manage to screw up a game they shouldn't by now. I think they're finally legit.
Really? MSU, Mich, USC, Stanford on their schedule every year (and thats without even thinking, there might be more). I'm all for ND hate but comeon man.
Boston college, south florida, syracuse, tulsa, navy, uconn? These are all games they've lost at home recently. They regularly beat up on stanford until 2009.
but ND was the better team today....we should of won that game.
Over/Under 5,000 articles about the luck of the Irish this week.
Had to hear the end of the game on the radio because I was on the road. You would have thought Tommy Rees came in and looked like Montana and the Irish were the Tide.Never mind the fact that we turned the ball over six times and still lost by a score or 13-6. Still not sold on ND being a BCS contender. Not with the QB situation they have. Hats off the the Irish anyway.
Knowledge said Michigan would win. What's going on??????????
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE ANYMORE
If The Knowledge's overall prediciton for the season is correct we should win out.
THE_KNOWLEDGE doesn't make predictions, he/she just reports from the future.
...is it worse having your heart ripped from your chest the way the ND fans have had it done to them over the last three years, or is it worse knowing that with 6 (SIX!!!!!!) turnovers committed by the early 3rd quarter, you had no business being in a game on the road that you still only lose by one touchdown?
I love Denard, but bless his heart, he makes Tim Tebow look like Tom Brady. It wasn't the game plan that a smart coordinator would have called for him, but his execution was horrendous.
BCS is safe
I disagree strongly. Hats off to them for not shooting themselves in the foot as they have been wont to do in years past but I still think they're overrated. The defense is nowhere near as good as what NBC would lead you to believe. We gashed them consistently until we either coughed it up or got a stupid penalty. I can take solace in the fact that ND will not make a BCS bowl this year and Michigan still has a very good shot at the Rose Bowl. Our defense was impressive tonight, and Borges just needs to install an electrode in the seat of Denard's pants to trigger when he should take off.
Hey! that electrode is a damn fine idea
It's an instinct. Braxton miller has it. Denard doesn't.
Their offense was horrible. We won game with three more instances of execution despite about 40000 turnovers.
Love their defensive front, but the secondary was full of holes. We just simply could not execute. Our picks were to two twice and then simply god awhile throws, not fb induced. Still love shoelace though and I am going to send him out with love (if he beats msu into the dirt and perhaps beats ohio also).
This game was an anomaly. Our quarterback had an atrocious game, and we didn't have a QB Plan B. I love Denard, and attribute many of our wins to him, but tonight was a bad night for him, and we should have had a back-up plan/qb. We played better than I expected, especially the defense. I think this season still looks bright.
ND is not a very good football team. College football this year is not very good. The B1G is also the worst conference this year.
Also, if a genie had told you before the season that we'd lose to ND but beat Sparty would you have taken that? Looks like that's gonna happen at this rate.
If we so much as *halve* our mistakes, we win the game.
This was an opportunity for a senior QB to step up and really lead the team and just could not get it together. Almost of the opinion that Bellomy should have gotten a shot in there if for nothing else than to just calm down Denard.
I guess it also makes me feel better that I did not pull the trigger on about $350 for two tickets to the Nebraska game, if nothing else the prices should drop.....
Ugh Lou Holz is going to have a field day. He'll likely say something to the effect of Notre Dame winning the next 10 national titles.
Lou Holtz = Droopy the dog
I'm not even really upset about the outcome of the game. Well, I am. But I'm much more upset about the collective fellatio the sports media will perform on Notre Dame over the next several weeks.
Snowflake moment: Look at the Big Ten. We are totally going to the Rose Bowl this year.
Hoping it was just a little boo-boo.
Honestly, the trajectory of this team is very similar to last year. The B1G is down and we seem to be (defensively) be improving as we go. There is not a B1G team that we should not beat going forward.
Serious question: was this the worst Michigan QB performance of all time? Love denard, but I cannot think of any worse off the top of my head.
I can and they involve Steve T and Tate. Maybe chad or John. Know your place. Without Denard this program was on the brink of becoming invisible. He went 2-1 against ND. How many M qb's went 3-0? None. Ever.
Know my place? What are you talking about? I just asked if anyone remember a worse performance. 5 TOs with 2 absolutely horrendous decisions in there leading to picks. What does the past 2 years have to do with last night?
Sparty in 1987. 7 int en route to a 17-11 loss
That was the worst I ever saw. And unlike Denard, he was not moving the ball effectively when he wasn't turning it over.
But he came back strong the next year once he learned to recognize uniform colors, and beat Ohio State and USC in the Rose Bowl. Demetrius Brown 1988 - one of my favorite Michigan QBs of all time.
We didn't execute and their d line was very good as advertised. It was not the DBs forcing the errors. Two made two of those picks. The other throws were gifts and if you have been really trolling this board better you would realize most here don't think Denard will win the Heisman. Class. All class.
Yeah, and I guess we have the new best D in the big ten. I'm cool with that.
ND 4-0, cats and dogs living together, he'll get up..we'll all get up....it'll be anarchy! nerds getting laid...hell hath frozen over
We're the best team in the big ten. Night. Nebraska.
Must be drunk or an idiot.
Let me let you in on a secret, you're wrong. We already won 11 last year. Hoke was the coach last year. Take an extra sleepign pill tonight, maybe you won't wake up.
That's me telling you how OSU didn't "give" us that win last year. You truly are more moronic than what your posts tell us. We outplayed OSU in every facet of that game....every single facet.
I really hope you're just too drunk to realize what you're saying. Saying we should fire a guy who won us a Sugar Bowl, brought our defense back to respectability, and is reeling in top-flight talent with arguably the best defensive coordinator in the country is absolutely ludicrous.
If you really mean that, I'd be ashamed to call you a Michigan fan.
You're a joke, you really truly are. I'm glad you post on this board /s.
shit like, "well, at least that's the best defense we'll see the rest of year". Let's face the facts, our offense as a whole isn't very good. When Denard is really on, we're good. When he isn't...we suck. Our Oline hasn't opened a hole for the rbs yet this season against a decent defense.
If we are truly honest, we could finish 6-6 just as easily as 8-4. Nebraska and OSU will be very difficult places to play and MSU will bring the house on Oct 20. Hell, I think we'll struggle with Purdue in two weeks as we try to shake off this loss.
The scary thing is what will we do if Denard goes down, we don't have anyone behind him. Not saying the sky is falling, but this season is starting to teeter on the edge.
Who's going to play QB next yr? We won't get to elite for at least three years.
5th on Scout.com... Remember we still have probably the toughest schedule in the nation, playing 4 top 25 worthy teams on the road this season. Like Brady says, this team is a work in progress. There will be some growing pains
One could argue that no one in the Big Ten is Top 25 worthy right now.
Minnesota is also 4-0. How come the media is not all over their "Return to Glory"?