I don't understand how this loss is so bad. Yeah it sucks, but no one remembers bball upsets because they happen so often.
The end of "Ohio"?
I'm already thinking about football.
If it had to happen to us, I'm glad it happened on the same day that Missouri and Duke fell. Those were much bigger upsets and should help our loss be forgotten soon, hopefully.
I'm just glad I don't sit in Section 1. There's an insufferable dude in that section.
Yes, OU has obviously won the respect of the nation and now OSU fans will chant O-H-I-O-S-T-A-T-E as well. They can poke a little fun now but tomorrow this means nothing.
The real question is whether we should change the name of the refs to Ohio fanboys.
Hoke is 1-0 against Ohio.
maybe to you dude. personally, march madness is my favorite sporting event. it wasn't kind to us today.
Only an idiot would be confused as to which one.
just beat any and all ohios
I told wifey after the game. Kind of makes us look silly.
End it. Immediately. Stop it. It has absolutely no place in Michigan athletics amymore. I will literally cringe when I hear Hoke say it now. Its hypocritical for us to use. Our basketball team blew it, plain and simple. If we lost to them in baseball, softball, soccer, etc..I would say the same thing. Clearly Hoke does it as a rib on osu, to call them inferior, like Ohio is in terms of sports and Universit stature in the state. That is not the case any longer as the tiny MAC school knocked us squarely on our asses . Who gives a shit if their script reads 'O H I O'. That has NOTHING to do with why Hoke calls them that. It is supposed to give them an inferior complex, that is no longer relevant.
Is your spelling and grammar.
M-Wolverine, aren't you a moderator? What is with the constant flaming and trolling. This post was completely unneccessary and the last thing I want to do is sift through more garbage.
Posts like this would be exploded rather than -1000 if I was.
It was a nasty night, and people were being jackasses about the loss. They can't ban everyone. But it's not like such stuff should go without recrimination. And frankly, it was too stupid to have a "debate" over.
Universit - when the whole universe grabs a chair and takes a load off.
You do realize that Hoke has nothing to do with who the basketball team beats or loses to, yes?
You've sucked for a while now as a poster. Hole has ALWAYS called OSU Ohio. And guess what? That's what OSU used to call themselves before the team that just beat usage a big stink about naming rights.
My senior year at UM. We barely beat Akron State (coached by Bob Huggins) and then got beat by Johnny Orr (former UM coach) and Iowa State.
The '86 team was far more talented than our current co-champs.
The Bobcats had their one day in the sun and won't be going any further.
I'm self-medicating with Guinness this evening but still proud that the team broke a 25+ year string of no B1G titles.
They're playing USF who could easily fail to break 40 in a tournament game. Ohio U is legit good.
In answer to the op's question from Jim Trott: yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, No!
Fans are emulating a coach they admire and have great confidence in. The loss tonight does not affect that.
Shouldn't fans question their coach when he says something that is just nonsensical? And when the embodiment of that nonsense causes pain to the A.D. that employs that coach? I'm not questioning Hoke's ability to recruit, call plays, etc; I am questioning his....hard to say- not "class," but, I don't know, "style," perhaps? (only if he keeps it up for entire tenure of glory). It's just....low brow. We just lost, in a revenue sport, to the team that he was inherently insulting every time he said/says "Ohio," by marginalizing the shit out of them: they only exist to be the subject of ridicule because we, by calling tOSU 'Ohio,' don't recognize a difference. I mean, seriously: if tOSU called us all "Spartans," . . . to say panties would be in a bunch would be an understatement.
First double post ever. Apparently, there's a vitriol: double post relationship.
This whole debate is ridiculous.
the fact that it's a debate at all, and that the fans and media can't stop with it, is silly. call em anything, but more importantly, just beat them.
That was made by Brady Hoke, the FOOTBALL coach.
If any ohio fan wants to bring up Michigan losing this game to ohio university, I'll just show them a picture of the scoreboard from The Game this past season.
Which didn't impact Ohio in any way, shape, or form...
Unless you're talking about OSU, in which case I would NEVER show a scoreboard picture to their fans because they have 9 more to counter my 1. I'd just leave that alone, personally.
I think a Michigan fan would have 58 to their 43. Nice try, though...
Although I vigorously defend the OP, and think people who don't realize that the whole "Ohio" thing was/is nothing for any self-respecting grown man to stoop to, generally, and that it was, at best, tolerable because Hoke is "ours" and we're winning, I also couldn't support your post more; OSU fans who talk to me about the last 10 years are the worst. "Gentlemen. Football did not begin in 2001. I know, I know- you forgot. But no, seriously: we can even just talk about the 1990's, though I'd prefer everything after 1900 when it comes to you tools."
Out of everything I have ever seen you post here (which I would consider a lot) I believe this is the first time I have to disagree with you. Maybe I just don't see the "Ohio" thing the way others (seemingly including you) do, but I don't see it as Hoke comparing Ohio State to a MAC school with Ohio University's standing in-state.
Personally, I believe that Hoke finds it funny that they market themselves in a way that can only be construed as "we call ourselves Ohio but it's an insult when someone wearing maize does it" and that they're sensitive about "State" being included. Ohio University beat us today, no denying that (or the irony involved), but I believe they have very little to do with Hoke's choice of names for our archrival.
Again, much admiration for your posts, I think you know you'll find a +1 from me no matter what, I just think you're wrong about the issue.
I don't disagree with any of your statements, really. I'd blockquote you, but it seems unnecessary. To me, though, if you're comparing a school, one that (for better or worse), the people that actually attended have a lot of pride in (for multiple reasons; listen, that school, academically, doesn't stack up to U of M....but they've gotten a TON better since I've been talking shit about them, which is like 15 years or so) to a school, another school that alums have pride in (and for the record, everyone I've ever met that went to Ohio U was a.) socially normal, b.) liked to have a good time, c.) also disliked ohio state, and d.) see b.) . . well, it's a slap by omission, in a way. Now, it's easily explainable if I'm B. Hoke and a coach asks me about it: "I'm from Ohio. I grew up there. All of my best friends I grew up with rooted for OSU, went to Ohio colleges, their kids do, they live there. For me, OSU, Ohio U, Bowling Green, Miami, they're all the same: Ohio. I'm from there: I want to beat the hell out of all of them. Now, that team in Columbus is the most important; not a day goes by I don't think about how to beat 'em. But to me, it's all Ohio, and it's all the same."
Well, if your point was like that quote (which I think it was; I just don't think that was BH's original intent with it) then I agree.
I don't believe Hoke calling them Ohio has much to do with other colleges in Ohio, and really, that's my point. Given the traditions and culture surrounding Ohio State, it seems reasonable to call them "Ohio". The fact that this bothers them is humorous to some (including Hoke, it seems). My point is that unless you're talking about some deep-seeded cultural reference, it doesn't matter whether or not there is a school called Ohio University. Maybe that exists, but it's not something I'm familiar with.
In other words, I don't think offense is intended towards Ohio University students/fans/alums. Those people might be "slap[ped] by omission", but I hardly think that's the intent here. I believe the intent has to do with the Ohio State tradition revolving around the word "Ohio" while simultaneously rejecting the same word.
Sometimes you beat Ohio, sometimes you lose to Ohio. Song remains the same.
Turn down the suck knob. I think you got "Suck" cranked all the way up to 10. I think you broke the knob off cranking it so hard.
Section 1's suck knob goes to 11.
don't be that guy!
calling ohio ohio is not why we lost to ohio
Who was "that guy"? No one made the claim you're responding to. The OP is about how ridiculous it is to insult one team/school (OSU) by calling them by the name of another school that just embarassed us (Ohio). No one is making a link between Brady Hoke referring to OSU (which is still alive in this tournament, and a top seed at that) as "Ohio" and us losing to the actual "Ohio" tonight....except you.
i really hope you're drunk
We all know that it is..... sigh. RIP. =(
I came into this thread with high hopes; I thought the whole state was going to vanish, but alas, it was just Section 1 and his shitty opinion again.
People logged on, saw an intelligent q (relative), saw, though, that it was Section 1, and then....poof- bad question, too soon, etc.
For what it's worth, I think that we should stop calling OSU "Ohio," at least for awhile. You know, when the team that's actually called that beats us in a single-elimination game, in a 4-13 upset. Go ahead and dislike it, but we look like foolish children for calling one school- that we beat for the first time in YEARS in football (insert caveats re: them cheating) the name of a school that just embarassed us in a marquee sport....yeah- let's not be those guys, and let's slow our roll on the whole "Ohio" stuff. We are not Brady Hoke, and, well, I kinda hope he slows on it for a minute (or has an awesome one-liner for it at the next spring practice presser). Anyway, the whole damn thing was childish, and its childishness was crystallized by our defeat tonight by a team that, well, we excluded from consideration of things that matter when coming up with a flippant, childish nickname for our arch rival.
I logged on, saw a pretty shitty question, and then read it to realize that...poof- he asked in a way that makes him sound like a condescending asshole.
I don't think Ohio University should care about what we call another school. If people who are concerned with OU's feelings think we're big jerks, oh well. If it pisses off people who root for "Ohio", good. Mission accomplished.
don't call them OU, it's somehow offensive to Oklahoma
Don't act shocked when you get stung.
(Unless you're throwing rocks at a zombie. Then someone else gets killed.)
You may now return to your book club with Section 1.
A six-point favorite lost a tournament game on the night that Lehigh beat Duke and the day that the #3 team in the country lost to Norfolk State, and it's an apocalyptic horror? It's Appalachian State?
What the man-in-the-street will be saying is "oh, did Michigan lose last night too? I didn't notice."
"Thank heavens for Duke. And Mizzou. Take the spotlight off us."
And really, the "Ohio" story is basically an intra-rivalry thing only. I don't think the national press cares much about it. Or it is too silly to them to concern themselves with it. Only locals, local writers and local fans care.
When I brought up App State, it was in the context of "the Appalachian State of trashtalk." Which, as "trashtalk," is automatically a quantum level lower-importance.
Six-point favorites lose, what, 30-35% of the time? It was a non-event. Even if there had been no other upsets on the day it was a non-event. Something that happens maybe 300 times over the course of a D1 season. And when you brought up Appalachian State and Brady Hoke it was in the context of an obsessive-compulsive disorder.