Oh, wow.....EMU fired Ron English.
Starting to make the rounds on Twitter now.
Oh, wow.....EMU fired Ron English.
Starting to make the rounds on Twitter now.
Don't care what his other job prospects were, that job is an absolute dead end that can only set your career back. At least Wheatley got out while he could. Hart most likely will have to go to the high school level or smaller division and work his way back up.
Hart's not all that big. Could we sneak him into our backfield for a few weeks? He'd blend in.
But he'll for for -2 yards behind the O line
I'm not sure you know who Mike Hart is...
that have made me laugh on a regular basis through the years.
AC with a step and the ball in the air made me smile and laugh.
Woodson with position on a receiver, confusing the issue of just who the receiver was going to be.
Denard hitting the secondary with grass in front of him.
And Mike Hart - I laughed out loud when he finally fumbled a football. Mike Hart would disappear under a pile of large bodies and the pile would move.
Completely agree. That program will never be able to compete. I hope Brady hires Mike Hart for something. It would be nice if Mike can replace Fred Jackson whenever he decides to retire.
I only want the best coaches here. If that's Mike Hart than I'm fine with it but if there are better candidates out there I'll take them.
Exactly. People piss and moan about undue loyalty to coaches that are not doing well and then make statements like this. If a OSU alum is the best coach for our RBs and wants the job, I don't care. Bring him onboard.
For the record, I never said I didn't want the best coach. I just think Mike would be a good fit as a RB coach. If there is someone better who happens to be a former buckeye or spartan, fine. Winning is clearly the most important thing.
Agreed. Enough with bring Wheatley back, bring Hart back, get Hutchinson or Backus in as OL coach. Get the BEST DAMN COACHES OUT THERE THAT STILL WANT TO COACH AT A FORMERLY ELITE PROGRAM and I I could care less if they are from the Ukraine or Vietnam. Enough with recyling old players UNLESS they are considered the top 5% of coaches at their positions.
to be fair, Wheatley is probably an ideal hire for this team. But Mike Hart... he'll probably end up coaching in the FCS next year.
No, when Freddy J retires we want Brandon to throw money at Tyrone Wheatley to get him away from the Buffalo Bills.
I would be perfectly fine with Tyrone's being a RB coach.
IMO, in a case like Wheatley, he probably is the best coach for that position that is even remotely realistic. That's not necessarily because of the coaching aspect itself (where there may and probably are options that are similar), but because of his connections in the area, his love for the school, his understanding of the program, and those sorts of recruiting advantages that go along with the fact that he appears to be very good at the coaching aspect of it as well.
That said, I doubt he would come back because I think for his career goals he's better off at where he is.
Michigans is number 2 on the sports revenue list. They can spend money and get just about anyone they want but, they have to spend the money. Hoke base salary is under 2 mill a year while the top coaches in college are making 5-6 mill a year. Our assistant coaches might be making good money for the big ten but nationally they are below average.
Base doesnt matter, total does. Hoke is making $4M+ total per USA today story this week. He is 2nd highest in the Big 10. For half a million more you can get Urban Myer. He has no excuses about budget. Mattison is one of the top 15 highest paid assistants in America. Hoke makes double what Dantonio does.
Don't penalize him because he also happens to be a "Michigan Man"
Hart would also be a great 2nd option. He'd be an incredible recruiter and team with Roy Manning to give us some life and some youth in our coaching staff. Wheatley would do the same.
I'd have no issues if Wheatley was the next RB coach. I'd also like to find a new TE/Special Teams coach. Our blocking from the TEs has been horrible our special teams blocking has been even worse.
OR, I'd let the TEs split time with Heck (WRs) and Funk (OL) and hire a QB coach.
Because former great players are good for recruiting. Players want to do what they did with their career so they assume they know how to get them there. We know that coaching and playing are two different things, but young players don't always think like that. That being said I have no idea what makes a good running back coach. I am only assuming if he's coaching in the NFL, was a former UM great, then he's a good fit. But, what really makes a RB coach good?
Coincidently, Wheatley's top rusher at Buffalo is a guy named.... *drum roll* Fred Jackson.
Eastern's running backs were actually a bright spot on the team...when they weren't running completely predictable offenses.
+1. EMU could be a basketball school but for some reason the four dudes who run the school want a good football team. When UM was down 7 years ago in BBall, EMU could have put a lot into that program, recruited Detroit, Flint and sag and become a yearly tourney team ala Oakland U. Unlike Western and Central, Eastern is a commuter school, in a semi ghetto without a campus feel. They will never be a football school and it is useless to try. They could drop to d2 in fball and focus on being the best BBall school in the MAC, and actually succeed.
It does appear EMU's primary RB has had decent success the last two seasons:
2013: 142 att - 817 yds - 5.8 ypc - 4 TDs
2012: 140 att - 905 yds - 6.5 ypc - 6 TDs
Backup is averaging 4.7 ypc as well. Of course, it's more complex than that, but not a bad rough showing for Hart as a RB coach. Still going to be difficult for him to jump to another D1 position
The running backs have been solid. I don't think Hart needs to take a step back.
The starter has 817 yards on 5.8 yards/carry and 4 touchdowns. The top two backups have 537 yards on 4.5 yards/carry and 5 touchdowns.
EDIT: I guess I was too slow.
The legend of the Lloyd Carr coaching tree lives on.
Who wins in Ypsilanti?
On an interim basis anyway, the word is that another former Michigan staffer - Stan Parrish - will get a chance at attempting this nearly impossible feat.
Who happened to be Hoke's OC at Ball State.
/commence rumors of Parrish replacing Borges
Only if Hoke is still as hands off as he is now. Parrish got overruled in that 2000 collapse at Purdue when he still wanted to throw in the second half up 18 and LC wanted to stay on the ground. Not the only time there's been conflict.
Parrish was QB coach during the Griese, Henson, Brady years so that would be another bonus.
Any actual evidence of this? Wouldn't surprise me, and that finish was a disaster, but let's just say there are a lot of rumors floating around right now and I have to wonder if this is one of them.
One of the most frustrating UM performances I've seen. An absolutely dominant first half where I believe the offense had 4 possessions and 4 TD's of 70 yds or longer. 2nd half was a disaster.
I was at this game. The epitome of Lloyd. Playing not to lose!
11-46 overall record with a 7-30 conference record. Not good.
Good lord. Never knew it was that bad. While that job is tough for any coach to succeed at, I just don't think Ron is a head coach. I don't blame him for leaving Louisville to take that job, but sheesh, what a train wreck for a record.
Yeah. The worst part is that 2 years ago they went 6-6 and 4-4 in the conference...
Good for the best Eagles season in 17 years.
And 2 of the 6 wins were against FCS teams so they weren't bowl eligible.
2011 they were 6-6, the first non-losing season since 1995. From 1996-2008 (year before English was hired), EMU was 41-107 (0.277 win pct) and a high-water mark of 4-7. In fact, English is EMU's 7th head coach since 1993 and only one of two that had a non-losing season.
It's really tough to tell by his performance at EMU whether or not he is a good coach. The last successful coach there was Jim Harkema (83-92), and he had winning seasons in 4 of 10 seasons, and was actually fired before the end of his final season. So yeah - no exaggeration when people say it's a dead-end job.
When you're high mark for success is 4 of 10 winning seasons, you know the program is struggling. And there was a stretch before Harkema when EMU had the nation's longest losing streak at 27 games.
Circa 2004, Jim Harbaugh was lobbying hard for the EMU job before it went to Jeff Melnyk. There but for the grace of God
I was hoping he'd help Eastern turn the corner, but I don't know if that is a task even Nick Saban could accomplish. Maybe Cal will have an opening for a DC at the end of the year.
I think he recruited well. He brought some kids in from California IIRC. Just never translated on the football field.
Probably means Mike Hart will sion be out if the job. Sucks.
Let Fred Jackson retire and hire Mike Hart. He'd be the best RB coach you've ever seen. Like Fred Jackson but with Mike Hart's grit.
coach the OL?
That information is posted in the OP.
Double confirmation. It's the new rule at MGoBlog.
You can't get kids to come to EMU. Not even MAC kids. It was not a great job and English shouldn't have taken it. I've had different people give me very different takes on him, and my eyes had their own conclusions, but nobody can deny his position as Michigan's former DC opened doors that he closed by trying to do the impossible there.
I hope he does well.
There will be plenty of movement in the winter...I could see him joning someone like Charlie Strong's staff if he lost Bedford.
Should Eastern just save themselves the money and drop football altogether?
Besides Cross Country, Track, and Swimming & Diving (I believe those are the sports they are randomly acceptable to good at). The rest of their sports are awful, their facilities some of the worst in the country, and they are an overall drain on the school (this is from people I know in the know)
We had some good baseball teams
That's not fair at all. The sports you mentioned they are not just 'randomly acceptable to good'. Here is there list of MAC Championships in Swimming/Diving:
1978, ’80, ’81, ’82, ’83, ’84, ’85, ’86, ’87, ’88, ’89, ’90, ’91, ’92, ’93, ’94, ’95, ’96, ’98, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013
Men's Indoor Track & Field:
1996, ’97, ’98, ’99, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2013
You get the idea.
And beyond those sports, they've done fine in most others (Women's Bball last won the MAC in 2012; Baseball in 2007; Golf in 2008; etc).
Essentially they have been completely TERRIBLE in football, and I would be fine with them dropping to D1-AA in that if they could, as it's an expensive sport and not worth the money. In men's basketball, they did very well in the late 80s to late 90s, so maybe they can get that back. But in the rest, they're a relative MAC powerhouse.
I said "randomly acceptable to good"
...my point is those teams you mentioned are better than "good." They are dominant (within their MAC-universe).
Only EMU and Stanford have won six National Championships in one year. The football team was awesome in '87 with Jim Harkema and topped a MAC championship with a win over San Jose State in the California Raison bowl.
EMU should drop the whole "being a University" thing. Dump of a university in a dump of a location where only like 13% of students graduate in 4 years (and only 40% within 6 friggin' years) and violence is rampant.
you're a fan of EMU, yes?
EMU has one of the better business schools in the country. It's historic preservation and education programs are also superb.
You have the intellect of a watermelon.
It's historic preservation and education programs are also superb
I don't really disagree, but it looks bad when you make a grammatical mistake while calling someone else a dumbass.
Yes, because schools that cater to non-traditional students are inherently valueless.
If you went to school in Metro Detroit, odds are you were taught by multiple EMU grads.
Eastern should drop to FCS. They could probably compete at that level... the truth is they (and Akron, their Ohio equivalent) aren't a MAC caliber school and they never will as long as they have no campus culture to speak of.
would hire Cubit Hope English ends up at a better job for him to succed.
EMU would probably do really well as an FCS school. Pick up a lot of Michigan/Detroit prospects who aren't quite D-I but want to be close to home and play a high level of football. EMUs never going to be any good at the FBS level
Sounds like a job Narduzzi would be straight up silly not to jump on. Right?
He'll be back in EL after 2-3 years of that crap. Let him go to the Pac-12 so he can torment Oregon some.
What is 0-12, 2-10, 6-6 (no bowl), 2-10, 1-8?
Doesn't Sparty have to go there soon as part of their "playing at directional Michigan" recruiting plan?
If you told me a coach with Michigan ties was going to be fired this week, he would've been at least 4th on my list...
But seriously who even wants to play at EMU? English didn't have a good chance from the start.
Charlie Batch was in the NFL for quite a long time. I know some of the guys he played with, and they liked the school so much they stayed in Ypsi.
So there's that.
That's what you get for selling out the Michigan program to the Free Press to start practice gate.
If anyone ever deserved to be fired, it was English. The worst coaching performance I've ever seen. So brutal. It's hard to go backwards at EMU, but English, somehow manged it
Regressing by having their first non-losing season in 20 years?
From the MLive article:
English's firing brings an end to a nearly five-year tenure that at one point showed promise for reviving the Eagles program...
What does "revive" mean in the context of Eastern Michigan football? Have they ever been good? Like, good-for-a-MAC team good?
I think revive means being almost bowl eligible
and the California Raisin Bowl in 1987.
They won't the California Bowl in '87 and later had future pros like Charlie Batch and Ron Rice.
A colleague of mine, who eventually wound up with a scholarship to Florida in the 90s, actually took one of his recruiting trips to EMU. He said the highlight of his trip was when they took the recruits to Main Street, Ann Arbor, and to the Big House where they told them they would play at least one game during their four years at Eastern. I think that says it all about the EMU job.
As someone who'd like to see Eastern amount to something, this video makes me sad. Admittedly, I laughed when the coach comments that the facilities are "state of the art." I'm not sure if they could lower football to FCS and maintain the rest of the sports in the MAC, but I think it'd help. Being in such close proximity to Michigan hurts Eastern. 99% of their fans are bigger Michigan fans.
Is that "inside look" meant to be great satire? If so, outstanding job.
Man, that's worse than I thought it would be. I was at McNeese State one day 10 years ago touring their facilities (FCS school in Louisiana) and they were more impressive, then, than EMU's are now. Wow.
EMU will never be good. They need to drop to FCS.
Having coaches as dumb as ron english wont help either
Please. Ron English is incredibly smart. I had a chance to sit in on a small talk of his to about 20 high school kids and his approach to athletics and life in general is very insightful.
He actually talked about Mike Hart during that talk. He made a point of your job, no matter what it was, was a paid internship. You should always have the attitude that you're preparing for the next big thing. He said something like: "Do you think I'm paying Mike Hart to coach running backs forever? I'm training him for his next job. I'm training him to be able to move up." I'm pretty sure he even made a comment along the lines that Hart would do just that - move up quickly. I can't paraphrase that though, my memory isn't coming through.
I sat in on a couple workshops with English and got to talk to him a little bit when he was the Faculty Forum speaker at Camp Michigania (I think) in '02 or '03. He showed all sorts of practice films and game tapes, and managed to explain how you coach a secondary and coordinate a defense to a room full of people most of which never played football. He's an incredible football mind, an incredibly intense guy, a great recruiter.
But that EMU job is a no-win. You're recruiting to nothing, no tradition to build on, no fanbase, and you're in the shadow of a big-time program and recruiting in a state that has two other MAC programs plus a DII powerhouse as well. He had no chance. I'm just surprised they pulled the plug halfway through the season. What's the point?
Agreed. EMU really is a no-win situation from a head-coaching prespective. I am surprised that they pulled the plug - what do they expect? How does that help?
Bigger questions than who's the head coach need to be discussed about EMU football in that athletic department. I don't think there's anyway they don't have a D1 football team despite the rabble rabble in this thread. EMU had a record freshmen class, size-wise, and if they are to continue to grow I am positive having a functional MAC football team is an essential part of that growth equation.
I see many people saying, "How can you expect to be successful there?" but really, no one was expecting him to turn EMU into a national power -- just not be terrible, and occasionally have a winning season in the MAC. Pretty much every other school in the MAC has managed that (and NIU is a regular Top 25 team, which is the ceiling). Are the facilities/recruiting pool at EMU really that much worse than Akron, Ohio, Ball State, Central, etc? EMU just added a new indoor practice facility in 2010.
He did very poorly. He deserved to be fired. My guess is the next guy will do better, b/c he sure couldn't do worse.
Look at the recruiting at EMU the last couple of years. It's on par (maybe even a little better) than NIU's. He's 3-26 in the mac if u take out that fluke year. He's was the highest paid employee at EMU too, making about 350,000
The difference between EMU and all the other schools named is that it's a fourth tier commuter school with no campus culture to speak of. Ohio U might not have resources, but their students give a crap and their campus is something other than a parking lot.
Wouldn't be surprised if he got an interview, his wife works in the AD at EMU.
wat, o rly?
oh my gosh.
That's Al Borges' wife? Not sure how old Al is but he is certainly a lot oder than 41 (her age). This is obviously no Layla Kiffen, but Al Borges who, let's just say may not be the most attractive man in the world, has a pretty hot, much younger wife?
Borges is 58.
He's got a Jerry Gergich situation downstairs.
Of the 10,000,000 or so words written about Al Borges on this blog in the last month or so, this is by far the most shocking.
I guess chicks dig the long ball ... budumpump
English's remark about not wanting kids from female-headed households always bothered me, especially at a place like EMU where you can expect to be recruiting a lot players from poor urban neighborhoods. I guess I would have a lot more sympathy for English if I felt like he was giving chances to a lot of hard-luck kids, since you're not going to win much at EMU anwyay. But ever since that remark I've basically been like "to hell with Ron English."
Assuming the EMU "braintrust" stops listening to Lloyd Carr the first call they should make is to Dino Babers at Eastern Illinois. The guy is in his 2nd year at the FCS school and has them ranked #2 in the entire division. He also runs a fun offense that will put butts in seats.
What offense you ask? Baylor's offense I answer. He was the receivers coach under Art Briles for a couple of seasons. And he's taken the fun to EIU. And last, but (unfortunately) not least, Dino is black. Yeah I know. A guy named Dino Babers is black? Its true. If EMU gets a brain and hires Babers EMU will have a bigger electricity bill because the scoreboard will go crazypants.
I would like to see hoke give a call to ron english and give him a coaching position on the defense.i personally liked him when he was at michigan before. He could help out and maybe toughen up some of these boys..im in #hireronenglish..for real
You can't just add coaches, we are at the limit of the number of coaches we can have on staff. Which coach do you suggest firing (and not replacing, so don't say Borges/Funk)?
to Oklahoma and Hoke took his position over himself?
Roy Manning was hired to coach LBs
It's not his fault but taking the job from the start was a terrible idea. Emu has never been somewhat competitive not have they ever been able to get fans to the game. Add that to some of the worst facilities in the country and u have a program that will always be at the bottom. Whoever takes that job next is an idiot especially considering they don't even pay that much. Hopefully he gets a d coordinator job and tries his luck again in 4-5 years
350,000 for 5 years straight. So, So many people would take that
Ya but how much was does the average d coordinator make at the BCS level hard for me to believe he would run to emu for a 100000 dollar raise if that
You know how many coaches "dream" it is to be a head coach. It's a hard thing to turn down. All english had to do was be below average for 5 years, and he had a contract extention waiting for him. He's average for 5years, and shoot, they damn near might build a statue for him. He failed so badly, because he sucked, and sucked badly. Always seemed that he coached to stay close and not to win, and he even failed at staying close. He is up there with Mike stock as worst EMU coach ever.
That's really the only explanation he saw an opportunity and took it. Too bad he couldn't see the hole he fell into
But if you're the coach that can turn that ship around, you can pretty much write your ticket anywhere else.
Craziest thing is that they are the only school in the Mac other than umass (only second season in the conference) that hasn't been to a bowl game since joining the Mac.
Even crazier was that they went to a bowl game in 1987 when they were in the MAC.
I don't understand why everyone remembers English wih such fondness. He is not a good coach. He couldn't stop a running QB if his life depended on it. Who was the DC for app state? Ron English.
Ya but we also remember 2006. A defensive coordinator is not judged on 1 season good or bad so I hold judgement on him
In 2006 we had a ridiculous front 7 but AGAIN couldn't stop a mobile QB (Troy Smith) or even a non-mobile QB, when we got bombed by USC in the Rose Bowl. And don't forget the beat down from Oregon in 2007. And don't forget that in 2006 he inherited a bunch of future NFLers on that line.
He couldn't OSU to under 39 had some crappy linebacker covering OSUs future NFL wide receivers. He is responsible for the worst loss in the history of the program. Let that sink in.
That man didn't have it and, again, I don't understand why anyone remembers him as anything other than a failure. Sure, the first 11 games of 2006 were fun, but when we finally played some real competition, we were exposed like woah.
EDIT: future NFLers in that front seven.
I sincerely hope you are not one who suggested that Rodriguez be given more time. Based on your comments about English (who was by most accounts a good not great d.c.) I gotta think that RR was a pee wee coach at best!
Are you saying the 2006 loss to Ohio State is the "worst loss in the history of the program?"
You can't put the app st game all on English the team was breaking in a lot of new starters on defensive and we were caught napping. Plus the 2007 defense rebounded well and had a good finish
was a pocket passer for OSU in 2006. When he took over as the starter in 2004 they used in legs, but by 2006 he very rarely ran the ball except on scrambles.
Never forget Ron English's "deer in headlights" expression on the sideline anytime we faced a mobile qb. His defenses did well against average to below average offenses but got shredded against good competition, albeit with SEVERAL NFL players. He did not make solid adjustments IMO either. I thought he took advantage of several great players, he had his moments but in general I felt he was over his head as a d-coordinator at a d-1 school.
And some people wanted him for the UM job because he was a Michigan man and had one good season.
Feel bad for Coach Ron but I expected big(ger) things from that lot considering the 6-6 mark last season. Unless they lost a lot, they've underachieved greatly. Hope he catches on somewhere as a coordinator or something. Really like him.
The 6-6 record was in 2011 and EMU was 3-18 since, but yeah, after that record I thought he had them headed in the right direction.
Some idiot on this site is going to propsose we replace Hoke with English. Count on it.
Hey, I have an idea: We should replace Hoke with English.
Yeah, how about no?
Coach. Too bad is was at Eastern. That is one program that it is impossible to be successful at.
I'd like to see Mike Hart land at Michigan.
Wasnt he a secondary coach before a dc..what about a dline spot hoke is responsible now..idk..go blue
Punctutation is a fancy new trend. You should try it sometime.
It was EMU. Who's going to be able to win there? They should be happy with 3 or 4 wins a season.
English didn't win 3-4 games a year
Harkema did fine.
I think a coach can win there.....but I'm not sure what it will take.
Or is it related to any off-field issues or ongoing investigation(s)?
Seems like an odd time to relieve English of his duties under ordinary circumstances. Brutally hard on kids who committed to him and who have devoted years to that program. With games yet to be played.
We are used to these things as football-personnel chess moves in the press. Like trading for a second-round draft pick. But these are real lives we are talking about.
Especially when he's three weeks removed from helping his team through one of their own being murdered the day before a game. Something is odd here.
I don't know if I agree with our opinions fully! But you certainly hold them with great enthusiasm! There's something to be said for that I suppose!
I'm fairly certain that the NCAA also takes into the averages of the conference as well as the individual school. It's what allowed Buffalo to jump to the MAC from Div 1-AA.
EMU is clearly a racist school.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Regardless of what you think of English, he was not smart to take that job if he wanted to succeed. I doubt anyone is ever going to win there. It has to be one of the worst jobs in Div 1-A (yes I know FBS or whatever). Maybe it was the only head job he could ever get, but now it WILL be the only one he ever gets, for sure.
Yes, this is far beneath UMich:
How does it compare to CMU, WMU, and the rest of the conference? I don't know. Anyone?
I'm not sure why so many people are (seemingly) assuming that Ron's performance is at or above what one could expect for EMU's ceiling. It has to be one of the worst FBS jobs at baseline, but shouldn't they be able to do a _little_ better than they did the past five years?
You'd think that the 2-star and low 3-star run-off from Michigan (Metro Detroit, especially) and parts of Ohio would be enough for more than a handful of 4-4 conference seasons. I would, anyway. They can sell a piece of MACtion.
New AD flexing muscle, former OSU asst. I do think EMU should go 1AA. Just to much required ( money, recruiting, facilities, fan involvement) to compete at FBS level. Not doing school, students or alums any favors by consistent losing. Get competitive in 1AA, create some differentiation with other schools and give the students and alums a reason to get involved and come to games. Keep bball, baseball and other sports at D1. It's a shame that EMU cannot be more competitive. WMU and CMU are not directly in the shadows of a Big10 school. Harder for EMU to create identity. One if my degrees is from EMU so I am not just being critical. Either turn it around or redefine the program.
Before English, weren't they putting on concerts in conjunction with games in order to get enough people in the stands to keep the required attendance threshold for I-A status?
I think the assistant AD broke out the good folding chairs for the filming of the video. It kinda makes me want to commit to EMU.
Why do white coaches whose first jobs are in the MAC get opportunities at schools where they can win, while black coaches seem to end up at EMU, where a reincarnated Bo Schembechler would have trouble finishing .500 every year?
EMU is such a cesspool that it is impossible to recruit the kind of athletes you need to win. Every time I see EMU counted as an "opportunity" when a black coach is hired, it makes me want to vomit. EMU has probably ruined Ron English's career, while people of equal talent who got opportunities at better MAC schools will move up to second-tier programs in major conferences, and receive the requisite healthy raises.
Ron English deserved better; I made a similar comment when he got the job. Sadly, he will now be used behind the scenes as an example of why it is "better" to recycle the same old mediocre, "safe" coaches with less skin pigment.
Excuse me while I go hug porcelain.
So apparently he was fired for using inappropriate language while addressing the team?
Hmmm....seems like an easy way to get out of a contract after a 1-8 (0-5) start to the season.