Big deal or yawn.......
Big deal or yawn.......
I am not going to get too excited until something actually comes of this like a new NOA, but this can't hurt the cause. Why would they bother inerviewing this guy if they knew the whole situation and thought they had everything wrapped up.
Also the Torg guy is not the only one saying this ESPN reported it last week as well in case anyone is skeptical.
Depends on the pics. Is it just of players getting tattoo's? No big deal, that proves nothing.
i'm wondering what the pics would have to be of to be incriminating enough, especially with the NCAA's intersting lack of detective skills in regards to Ohio.
a brick of a controlled substance.
I'm tired of getting my hopes up about this only to be let down. This better be enough to buttfuck OSU back into the 1800s.
And I can assure you, we did love butt-fucking in the 1800's.
Thanks for making me spill coffee on myself.
who knew the NCAA was the original source of that quote
Can we really trust this guy called "The Torg?" Is this the second coming of Ace Williams?
This is from a previous post of mine:
A lot of people have posted wondering about the reliability of these guys when addressing the ongoing situation in Columbus. I've been listening to these guys for probably 4 or so years now. Lately, they've caught on and become pretty popular in central Ohio, and their schtick level is higher than it used to be, but they're still easily my favorite sports personalities, be it local or national. They are obviously OSU biased, even though neither grew up in Ohio. However, they routinely call a spade a spade, and are the first to criticize OSU athletes and the last to dismiss UofM athletes out of hand. If you get past all the OSU love, which I have been subjected to for almost 6 years now, they're actually pretty hilarious at times, and usually spot on with their takes on situations.
I can't see them discussing this stuff on the air unless they honestly believe it to be true. They may not vet their sources as well as a George Dohrmann type, but I'm sure some level of diligence was paid. This is not to say that their sources aren't snowballing them, but I know enough background to comfortably say that these guys aren't making this stuff up. I know this isn't breaking news or anything, but I thought I'd lend some background perspective on this OSU situation.
Any other Columbus people out there that have any take on this?
Thanks for the insight. I must have missed that when looking through the other threads. I just am inclined to doubt these people who seem to show up with big news from out of nowhere. I hope that this guy has all his facts together, it would be good news for us.
Man I tell ya...somebody wake me up when the FINAL verdict comes down. It pains me to think that this could all be a big huge tap on the wrist.
Why this is good:
Mr. Ellis: I got these pictures here.
NCAA: What do they show?
Mr. Ellis: I'll show ya when you get here.
NCAA: OK, let's make a trip out.
Mr. Ellis: I got these pictures here that detail this, this, and this.
NCAA: And you are sure they show that? This may be something we can use to build a case...
One of those makes more sense than the other. Granted, this is the NCAA.
is the NCAA doesn't waste their time setting up an interview with some slimeball (and his lawyer mind you) unless they have a pretty good idea what he's going to say before hand....
Good reasoning by both of you guys.
by Dohrmann; not sure how incriminating these pix might be:
Ellis showed SI pictures of players -- Pryor, Gibson, Herron and Solomon Thomas -- being tattooed or showing off their artwork. Rife appears in one photo with a player. Ellis also produced a photo of 11 plastic bags filled with what appears to be marijuana; he says the photo was taken at Fine Line Ink. The letter the DOJ sent to Ohio State in December stated, "There is no allegation that any of these players were involved in or had knowledge of Mr. Rife's drug trafficking activities." Ellis says that is true but that he did witness four other Buckeyes trade memorabilia for weed. Three of those transactions involved a small amount of the drug, he says, but in one instance a player departed with what Ellis was told was a pound. (Rife's lawyer denies that his client provided marijuana to any players.)
Not holding my breath.
I have to agree - I mean, if the pictures show OSU players getting tatted up, well, the NCAA already hit OSU for it. Nothing new would come of this if that's what the pictures are of.
I want Rife to have the book thrown at him. Rife needs to open up and spill ALL the beans.
tOSU is going to get off with nothing? Just a bad feeling in my gut.
When I saw the username "Funkymoses17" I thought at first that was Brian (who has also posted under that name, sans number).
They make this guys testimony more believable because in order to have the pics he was obviously in Rifes click. I dont think the pictures are the smoking gun, but the value of them should not be understated. If the NCAA believes the guy like SI did his testimony could be very damning to OSU.
When this story first broke I thought man is OSU going to get it this time. Now I have resigned to the fact that they will escape without sanctions yet again. This reminds me loosely of the OJ case. So much evidence only to be wasted on a few stupid people with no balls.
Their head coach is gone. It's big. One year ago if you said tressel would be fired. And they had to name an interim coach that no one ever heard of and wasn't even a coordinator, we'd all would have been happy. If you then said that only three players in the top 10 Ohio recruiting list goto Ohio, AND Hoke gets a top 5 class.....
You'd be peeing yourself you'd be so happy.
Just think back 1 year......
I like to think back 14 years. It's cooler that way.
They also lost their starting QB (Pryor).
You are absolutely right. Although I think the bar is set some what lower now on what makes us happy due to the last several years. If I stepped back from the situation and someone gave me all the information available on OSU but didn't tell me it was them, I would still feel the same way. If I am on the West coast, this would just reaffirm the East coast bias in my opinion. It's basically OK to chop off USC's head but OSU skates, just seems a bit off to me.
This whole thing is literally miles from being over. Dohrmann didn't get his literary awards by accident because he's an idiot. He's gloating all day over this Ellis thing with the NCAA although one suspects he knew all along that he'd eventually deal with the NCAA. Here's the thing, the NCAA isn't going to interview the guy unless he's indicating something substative to them. So there's the first part. The second is that he's still Dohrmann's source and it's only a matter of time before those pictures end up in Sports Illustrated. That's win version 2.0 and it keeps the general media heat on Ohio whenever that happens.
Better yet, we have no idea about Dennis Talbott and where he might sit with the IRS and/or if and when he plans on flipping on Pryor. Heaven help Storm Klein's dad if there is a picture of his boy at Fine Line...
The point is, there are so many balls in the air for Ohio to juggle and any one of them crashing down, any opening in the once closed Omerta, any potential for Terrelle Pryor to need to meet with a media member for an 'exclusive' over the next year and boom goes the dynamite.
I am not worried about this ending up like the OJ case; my friends (god help them) who support Ohio worry more accurately about this stuff *never* ending.
I guess I have been letting the PR machine out of OSU convince me that they may make it out of this. With that many people in trouble with the law, one of them is bound to snitch. Thanks for the perspective.
The Michael Ellis episode is one of my favorites.
Anyways, even though Torg is supposed to be gigging with his high school buddies in the Twin Cities, he's still tweeting:
Ricordati's comment (Common Man) today was pretty funny: "Hope Pryor is allowed to go in the supplemental draft. Otherwise, he's sitting around for a year with nothing to do and he might start talking." I think he, like most in these parts, would rather see TP at the Citgo, though.
The NCAA will definately deal out LOIC to tosu. Plus Im sure they will get bowl bands, and loss of scholarships. I can't wait to hear what will happen if and when he does infact talk with the NCAA.
Bowl bands? Like rings after winning a bowl game? Ok! And then you make a joke about selling said bands/rings!
I'm pretty sure he meant the bands that play at the halftime shows. And depending on the bowl, that could be quite the punishment.
I'm pretty sure he meant bands that have played in bowl-shaped stadiums.
I think Ohio State will get The Beatles, Nirvana, and possibly Journey. But definitely not The Smiths. Brian would cry.
I'm ok with any of these.
Do they get Kurt Cobain? Or Courtney Love instead? Either way would be sticky.
Ohio State definitely gets Courtney Love and then the ghost of Kurt Cobain because they're not good enough for alive Kurt Cobain. And they get The Beatles with Yoko Ono. And Journey with the Filipino guy instead of Steve Perry.
Also, they get Nickleback.
Although Ellis, I know, is the tatoo guy, the "cars" may be next.
I think he meant more multiple years of being banned from any bowls.
I'm not holding my breath. The "sacred brotherhood" has three days to make him "change his mind." That's a lot of death threats.
I think the NCAA is just putting on a game of charades. When they let OSU off the hook they can say it was a thorough investigation.
Damn. That was my first thought too... On the other hand, I'm not sure the NCAA is willing to weather another media shit storm if osu walks. So I'm holding onto hope that osu still gets hammered for no other reason than to give the NCAA some undeserved credibility.
Something should happen but it won't. The NCAA will conviently forget to turn on their tape recorders.
I give it 3 fakes out of 5.
The NCAA was in and out of Columbus all summer, yet doesn't bother sending someone 3 hours down the highway to interview "Ellis"?
Isn't "Ellis" poor? How is he paying for this day trip with his lawyer?
What can a still photo possibly show? Is someone holding up a sign saying "I'm trading this autograph for a tat... suck it Emmert!"
What does "Ellis" have to gain? Didn't Dohrmann say he was intimidated before? Why now? If anything, isn't this costing him money and potential safety?
If the NCAA let OSU off the hook for 5 guys getting tats, why would they care if 7 guys got tats? All the NCAA seemed to care about was that OSU had proper education about trading memorabilia .
Regardless, this would be more evidence that OSU lied to the NCAA/didn't complete a thorough investigation themselves if they can show more players getting the benefits
From reading the summary judgement, it seems the NCAA was happy with the steps OSU took to keep track of memorabilia. I'd be surprised if anything came of this for OSU. If some of the players lied to the NCAA, then maybe a couple of suspensions, maybe some embarrassment, maybe nothing.
Yes it is too much to ask. More likely
There is even a chance that this is too much to ask for.
How stupid do you have to be to have your picture taken while blatantly breaking NCAA rules/the law?
Have you seen the pictures kids take of themselves with guns, drugs, and money? Unless of course all the handguns in those pictures are registered and licensed.
Ellis has a lawyer because it will provide Ellis with his best chance of protection from both retaliation and self-incrimination. Ellis seems heroic to me in rising above his fellows making himself the principle target of the hypocrites (instead of the Chancellor who deserves it); hypocrites I say who pretentiously say OSU has minor violation problems if any; yet on the other hand are willfully blind by extremes respecting the egregious behaviors of THE Administration at OSU; THE Administration who hopes above all else Ellis has no evidence to present against Sarniak. In any event, if what we hear about Ellis is substantially correct, then I pray to God through Jesus he will be strong and persevere.
I am willing to advise all who attempt to follow the proceeding, they should take patience concerning the NCAA at this juncture, by those who would wish as I do there prevail a seeking of the strongest possible penalties due THE Administration of OSU as after a hastening of an outcome of the NCAA investigation during this first of two or more phases - and wistfully I allow with large credit to Ellis and his lawyer. However, due to the experience, I suggest nobody permit what merely seems to be patience to seduce you into thinking there is a process of justice making forward progress in this first phase. For, the outcome from the meeting between Ellis and the almost totally self-absorbed representative group from the NCAA is liable to produce siren-song airs of indignation which among them, a committee of such proven low character, can be expected to result typically towards a gradual weakening of their future of resolve towards the embracing of any called-for action by what is instead most likely to be an unfortunate absense of appropriate production of a collective correction of course unto their first yet, and feculently overdue admission of an honest characterization of the motives of Ellis and how it rebukes them. The result I expect will be NCAA's inappropriate determination of mind, and allow an attitude of self-righteousness applauded by the public at large (beware the press) in the committee's pursuit of the second-phase investigation of more recent allegations. Regardless of the ultimate penalties they invoke, it will only lower my estimation of them as I wish I was wrong about this; because I fully believe without being prophetic, how they will leave untouched the top-to-bottom excoriation due THE Administration at OSU, all of whom belong in the dustbin of an embarassment of history. It disgusts me to no end to know the NCAA, rather than place an accuracy of blame, would rather allow THE Administration at OSU to collapse upon itself as a penalty for failing to get away with it.
It is absolutely true, in the absence of refinement of justice we are witnessing, a free press has much to gain should they find a legitimate representative means by which to check the arrogance rampant, with my confidence in their power to extend our collective perception of hope for striking a balanced outcome ultimately as a possible support for belief in a semblance of a system of qualified uncertainty; which is the so-called justice from an elitist class being the only bone thrown to our previously impoverished souls made so due to the debacle at hand. The Elites know we "most likely" will unwillingly content ourselves with our gnawing their damnable bone of less than distinguished half-baked judgements.
Love those 2 am prophocies.
tl; dr all of it...but what I did read sounded a lot like something out of the Bible.
Just thinking the same thing
..."Lawyer: QB Terrelle Pryor admitted to additional violations while playing at Ohio State". Can't see it on ESPN so I'm assuming it is breaking elsewhere - anyone have a link?