i refuse to even consider this a possibility
Elite Eight Day Two Open Thread
...and basically, my brackets - save for maybe one - look like this from the air:
Is liquid water, not steam for the record....
Someone on reddit pointed out how this Final Four could be Florida and the last 3 teams to beat them (UConn, Wisconsin, us). Kinda neat.
But I had MSU beating ISU today so it doesn't hurt that much.
Up until 2 days ago I was sitting pretty, I was in the 98% range on ESPN.com with 7 of 8 Elite 8 and 4 of 4 Final Four.
However, I had Arizona beating Wisconsin. Michigan beating Louisville, MSU beating ISU and Florida beating Syracuse.
Obviously Syracuse lost early and the Louisville lost to UK and ISU lost to UConn so that put me at 5 of 8 elite teams after the other night. But I still had all 4 Final Four teams until last night.
So yea...now I'm fucked. I fell from 98.5% to 94% in like 4 games.
At this point I just want to see all B1G teams make the Final Four then Michigan beat the shit out of both.
The OP reeeeeeally wanted to be the person to post this thread.
You took my comment, but you said it a lot nicer than me.
I know this might be an unpopular view, but I really hope MSU wins. From a basketball perspective, I think UF v MSU would be a really fun game to watch. Also to have potentially 3 of the 4 Final Four will be a huge thing for the B1G.
Does anyone know when or if there was a Final Four with 3 or more schools from the same conference?
1985 the Big East had three, in 1970 there were three independent schools. I didn't go back any further than that though.
Imagine if ESPN had been as big in '85 as it is now. Schools from DC, Philly, and New York in the Final 4 at the same time, from a conference called the Big East? You would have heard about nothing else (not even the Red Sox and Yankees) for several days.
Even then, the noise from the East Coast media was deafening.
Have been put on red alert!
You're just rooting for UConn to lose more than you're rooting for MSU to lose.
Get it right next time.
Next year's tournament I'll get it right.
The Big Eight sent KSU, KU & OU to the Final Four, with Danny Manning and Kansas avenging 3 losses earlier in the year to the Sooners to win the NC.
The 1988 Final Four was Kansas, Duke, Arizona, and Oklahoma. Kansas beat Kansas St. In the Elite 8 that year.
For me, B1G pride only goes so far.
Obviously if 3 schools make it through, I'll use that as a huge talking point for the foreseeable future, but I'm not gonna lie: the collegial "Go B1G; See you all in the Final Four" schtick has gone out the window for me. It's what I directly told Wisconsin fans in the afterglow of watching U of M best Texas live in Milwaukee last weekend, but the warm and fuzzies for me are now gone.
What's replaced them within me is a cold, reptilian, urge to WIN.
And that means rooting for Michigan's best interest in every game from here on out. I'm pulling for better match-ups for us, even if it isn't a B1G team. And even then, I'm not shedding any tears if the winners of other games happen to get modest (not career ending, just season ending) injuries while they are at it.
Personally, I think pulling for MSU at this point is being too-cute-by-half. They are healthy. They are good. Both they and Wisconsin have played us multiple times this year, which negates any advantage we might have in befuddling teams with our complex schemes.
And can you IMAGINE how insufferable Sparty will be if they win both the Rose Bowl and the NCAA Tourney (AGAINST US no less) in the same year?
Why not BEAT them in the National Championship game?
3 times in 1 season.
They'll have to hang a banner that says "2014 National Runner-up" while we hang "2014 National Champions"
I for the life of me can't figure of me figure out why anyone wouldn't want this.
I'm not saying root for MSU - NEVER root for MSU. But it's not the end of the world if they today and next Saturday as long as we keep winning.
It's not even about B1G Pride...I mean that's cool and all. But we get a chance to stick it to BOTH B1G schools in the Final Four. Take that opportunity.
It'll be all B1G hype about 3 of 4 teams...and then we destroy both. How amazing would that be?
I think we see a huge advantage when we play teams who haven't "seen" us before. Wisconsin and MSU are both familiar with the crazy shit we'll throw at them on offense and the importance of that for those teams is going unnoticed by a lot of people. I'll take Florida or UCONN over MSU if we make it that far.
that we would beat MSU in the championship, and losing to them on that stage would be the most devastating loss for a Michigan team since I've been alive.
I'm fine with Wiscy and UM make it; I'm SOOOOO tired of this MSU team and all of the media salivation.
It's going to go away if both Michigan and MSU win...it'll be all about the B1G
If MSU loses, it'll be about their injuries for a couple days and then it'll be a UF slurpfest about their seniors and 0-3 and then to the Final Four.
No matter what it's not going to be about Michigan unless we reach the National Championship game again.
I want staee to make it to the 'ship game. I want them to play MICH, and I want them to get humiliated.
We are going to have a lot of trouble with Wisconsin if we make it through Kentucky.
The Bo Ryan Fightin Badgers are a good basketball squad, but I think we can take them. I heard somewhere that Beilein is really really good when he has a week to prepare.
BUT FIRST we must defeat the University of Calipari Fighting Future First Rounders. My e-prediction for today's game is MICH 81 UCFFFR 79
I agree, and the win at the Kohl center stands, but last time we faced Wisconsin we had 6 days to prepare and got run out of Crisler. I would've liked the Arizona matchup better.
Of course it's all moot if we don't win, so let's beat Kentucky!!
To be fair, he had a week to prepare last time and Wisconsin shit on us. But I take your point all the same.
You realize those are independent events, right?
Because according to his logic, if MSU wins. I don't need to watch the Michigan game.
Then you'll see it.
MSU is favored and Michigan is favored by Kenpom and -2 in Vegas...so it's not unrealistic. I mean, I guess I see your point...but they're just not mutually exclusive.
If MSU wins...it has no impact on us whatsoever.
Maybe just don't watch their game. I dunno what to tell ya brah!
Big east had G'Town, St. John's, and Villanova.
Little premature, eh, Sparky?
When I create the Final Four (Day 1) OPEN Thread. It's going to be so cool - just wait.
That's the first game up...and hey, we're under 2 hours now from tip-off.
How do folks see this one going? MSU comfortably? I'm not so sure...
I predict Tom Izzo will bitch and complain an awful lot.
And they'll probably win but I think it will be closer than everyone seems to think.
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if UConn wins.
MSU wins a close one. However, UCONN will be tough to beat at MSG.
I'll be in the air during our game. Is airplane WiFi usually strong enough to stream a game? Delta is the airline.
Usually no streaming video.
Nope, airplane wifi does not support streaming video. Best chance is to DVR the game and avoid all sports media until you get to where you can watch it.
Streaming audio, on the other hand, should work fine. Assuming that you don't mind paying whatever exorbitant fee the airline charges, I'd DVR the game, listen to it on the flight, and then make an informed decision after you land about whether or not you want to watch or to delete the game when you get home.
The biggest key for today is a Michigan Win! And this isn't for the obvious reasons. Living in SEC country, all i've had to listen to is "SEC SEC SEC SEC! We don't get no respect in Basketball! We're good! Better than most! Look, we've got 3 in the Sweet 16, 2 in the Elite Eight!" blah blah blah.
If Michigan loses, that puts 2 SEC teams in the Final Four. They DO NOT need any additional ammo to continue to preach the SEC dominance.
Plus, I work with a ton of UT and UK fans, so coming into work tomorrow having beaten both Tennessee and Kentucky would be AMAZING!
GO BLUE! The REAL BLUE!
I'm with you there. I live in Kentucky and my office is 75% UK fans and 23% OSU fans. 1 Vols fan and me. I need this win.
I just had a commit moment at the grocery store. I knew I could only buy one bag of chips, so I walked down the aisle slowly telling each bag how much I like what they bring to the table. The first bag was Salt and Vinegar kettle chips which I have loved since childhood, so I almost grabbed them and left. I knew that I may regret the choice with all of the crazy new flavors on the market, so I kept looking. The jalapeño chips were pretty confident that they had flipped me and the fans from the pork rinds were hoping that I choked on the first chip. My mom told me that Sun Chips are better for me, but ultimately I went with the salt and vinegar when the manager asked me to hurry it up because I was scaring the other shoppers with the pacing and mumbling. No regerts! No regerts!
Someone run him over please.
As this game proceeds I will hate MSU in inverse proportion to the love shown to them by these god awful announcers.
i consider any game called by raftery and uncle vern a gift... and it's not like uconn isn't getting love from them too.
how can one not love "ONIONS!"
See that's also an offensive foul. I think people are just surprised they still call it.
This crowd is DEFINITELY on the Huskies' side.
The annoucers are in a drought. No mention of MSU injuries in the 1st 2 minutes.
Hit em right in the mouth.
MSU looks a little disjointed right now. I'm sure they'll settle down, but this crowd is definitely giving UConn some momentum on defense.
I want MSU to lose this in humiliating fashion.
Connecticut making MSU their bitch early
Payne seems totally confused as to what to do when he is double teamed.
So glad this is at MSG. Hopefully allows UConn to keep playing above their heads.
1. Great start for UCONN
2. Every time the camera shows Izzo, he is whining about something to the refs. Every Time
Any guesses where Lacey gets her treatments from?.... you got it, The University of Michigan
Sparty isn't losing this game. I know, because I have nightmares about it.
UConn is running circles around them right now.
This is basically a home game for UCONN their fans are loud as hell
MSU loosing and out comes the injury talk.
I hope they tell that story about MSU and their love for that little girl at least every 4 minutes.
The crowd is insane. This is why the regioinals should be held in normal arenas and not football stadiums.
If Uconn keeps running like this Payne will be dead. His baby lungs wont hold up
Wtf UCONN. they look realllllly good
Appling injury mention. Guys blow out ACLs and they don't complain about injuries as much as Sparty.
Sparty, what the hell???
THE COURT YOU FUCKING MIDGET
Rebounding like gangbusters. Hope we can match that effort in our game.
And there is izzo fully on the court. Incredible how he gets away with it. Someone sjould run into him to draw the T
Whatcha gonna do Izzo?
MSU trying to play too fast, dont think they can match UCONNs pace. I hope they lose though.
They need to slap the court.
Izzo will scream louder and talk more with his hands to calm this team.
The court screaming every time uconn has the ball
How the fuck does state get away with all the hand checking on defense?
Izzo working the refs and using the same strategy they use in football. The refs won't call a foul on every play.
MSU hacking as usual
when the clock hits zero. I just don't think UConn can win this game
Meaning, even if UConn goes up 15-20 this half I still think MSU is going to win eventually.
MSU picking it up a little bit now. UCONN stagnant on offense, they had a real chance to build a huge lead and missed out.
Is Izzo trying to be the wing player for UConn because he's that far off the sideline when sparty is on defense.
Flying out of DTW today and there's lots of nervous looking Staee fans at my gate watching this right now.
I'll catch the first half of the Michigan game for sure on a layover. Second half is not looking good for me
It will be one of the planes with wifi. This might be one of the only times I could see paying for that.
I hope so but it's United regional so I'm not optimistic. Wish it were Delta
I flew southwest during the tennessee game and dish was sponsoring free tv channels, including CBS so I watched the entire game free. Hope for something like that!
MSU will win comfortably still. Just amazed how much they are allowed to hack
Even if a player ran into izzo on court, they would probably get a foul called on them.
State won't shoot like this all day. If they keep playing defense like they have in the last 5 minutes, UConn will get run out of the gym.
They won't stop Napier like this all day. Just not going to happen.
Uconns guards just need to plow into trice and fall down to draw the foul, not sure how he can be all over them and not get a foul
MSU grabs jerseys and arms so insanely much on defense I don't understand how they never get called for it.
Payne undercuts people every chance he gets. Fuck these refs
UConn has to do something to get some open looks on the offensive end
lol UCONN is bad. Let them right back
Appling is the worst point guard in the Big Ten by far
Major hacking by the MSU defense.
He crouches down so low and so slow
Call a fuckin foul on state jesus christ they are hacking like crazy
He is gassed.
UConn is ice cold right now
Payne looks gassed
Man I feel that if staee doesn't win this game Tom Izzo's head will explode
What an undeserved 3 points. Complete luck.
How is that not a foul on Payne?
Sparty gettting away with murder down low. Have to start calling that. Its disgraceful.
Sparty gettting away with murder down low. Have to start calling that. Its disgraceful.
Cannot defend Uconns guards. Huskies need to keep penetrating.
Sparty started cold shooting. Everything else I see tells me they are winning this easily.
You don realize that Uconn is shooting 35% right?? Not exactly lighting it up either. As far as everything else you see?? What is that suppose to mean. They are getting beaten on the boards and have more turnovers.
Exactly. Lots of Sparty love in here for not much reason yet.
State forced to use a timeout to get Payne out of the game because of his shitty conditioning.
Ya, I don't see sparty losing this. I'd say they win by 10 or so when it's all said and done.
MSU will win this game unless someone lights a fire under UConn. Should be a 20 point lead by now.
I hate waiting.
I think UConn wins by 20+. Just thought I would be different than everyone else.
a one point win.
Sparty fans still complaining about Appling being "hurt". Unbelievable.
Sparty shooting 6-12 from 3. No chance that will last. They will cool off.
It's not like their shooting 11/12. Cooling down to a norm from 50% means maybe missing one more out of 10 attempts.
Most of those have been great, open looks in transition. UCONN needs to get back on defense
Ugh..way to go UConn. 5 point lead evaporates in 40 seconds. They did not get very good shots on their last two possessions and their transition defense left a lot to be desired for.
anticipating having them swatted. Must have been some rejections early? Just tuned in.
For the third time in three days I found mysef hoping all the B1G teams would advance, then tuned in and found myself disliking State so much I changed my mind.
Yea those shots I wrote about started as good penetration drives but the acutal shots put up were not great.
And I'm in the same boat! I kept thinking I was going to "root" for Sparty today but the instant I sat down, about 5 minutes into the game, I found myself cheering for UConn. It was a bit of a subconscious thing and took me a minute to realize what I was doing. I just can't cheer for Sparty to advance; and I'll be glad to hear about that Seniors to the Final Four streak ENDED.
If UCONN wins I'll eat the blazing wings
Win or lose, I never want those assholes from East Lansing to say that Michigan basketball is overly reliant on the three ball again.
That's literally the only reason MSU is winning this game.
You start the game playing like crap and you defense can keep you in it until you get the offense going.
MSU has seized control of the game?? WTF. They are up by 1.
Bad shot by Harris.
or whatever conference UConn plays in...this kind of basketball leaves a lot to be desired
This is just a terrible, ugly game
No one a team with guards like Uconn will stay this cold.
This is turrible
UConn is not very good at shooting. All day 3s are off the mark, can't hit runners, not even trying to get o the glass for layups. Woof.
Number 5 for UConn is useless
Pay attention to the clock and hold it for the last shot idiot!
Florida must be enjoying this as neither of these teams has looked good. Also that's 6 points MSU has got when the ball bounced right to them. Pure luck.
Gators will be in the title game.
Way to suck the end of the 1st half UConn.
Just a horrendous end to the half for UConn.
I wouldn't be surprised to see MSU absolutely steamroll them in the second half. They took a lot of 3s, and hit a good number of them too. I think they work the paint a little more in the second half. Either way, I see them winning comfortably when all is said and done.
I hope that Giffey kid isn't on scholarship because it's being wasted badly.
That start and UConn is down by four at the half. They are fucked.
UConn is making me sick. C'mon guys
More punchable: Izzo or Valentine?
Valentine. Hands down.
That was a disgusting first half of basketball.
UConn shooting 27.5% (16.6% from 3)
MSU shooting 37.5% (40% from 3)
These teams suuuuuuuuuuuuck in the half court.
Did UConn basically give up the last posession of the 1/2? 17 seconds on the clock, casually walks it up and heaves an last-second attempt from Staten Island.
Valentine should have never had an opportunity to shoot that last 3. Poor clock management. UCONN had a chance to hold for the last shot and the coughed the ball up in haste.
Crapping their pants. 3-22 from the floor here. Teams completely fall apart against MSU.
Lots of good looks too. Just brutal
This was truly far and away the worst bracket. Far and away the worst 1 and 2 seeds in the entire tournament. That really shouldn't be allowed to happen.
Just checked game. Looks like UCONN choked
Did Barkley just say: Spectakular?
Get it right!
Can't stop laughing
Analysts say Sparty will pull away in the second half. For once, I agree with them.
lulz some of the studio shit they've been doing has been pretty funny.
These are Elite 8 teams? This is some of the worst basketball I've ever seen, and I even watched part of that Arizona / Wisconsin "game."
Sparty apparently thinks they're playing Purdue and will hit 100 3s, and UConn, well... perhaps the baskets are a little bigger in Storrs. I've never seen so many wide-open shots clang off of the rim -- at least, not from a team that's allegedly among the best in the country.
Here's hoping for regression to the mean, and maybe for the referees to call a few of the more obvious fouls...
That Audi commercial makes no sense.
Think that if MSU wins we will get jobbed by the refs today? Can't see the NCAA wanting 3 B1G teams in the Final Four.
The sexy matchup for NCAA is a Florida/Kentucky NC game, so yes.
The sexy matchup was Florida-Arizona actually.
If the referees are bad tonight, I think it will have more to do with Kentucky's home-court crowd and general referee quality than any plot by some mythical NCAA overlords. To the extent that the NCAA cares about what teams are in the Final Four, which is probably rather little, Kentucky and Michigan seem fairly equivalent -- both big names who will be big draws.
Save the conspiracy theories for Spartan Bob. ;-)
A hand checking foul on MSU?? WTF??
Butt lucky for State
Keep Appling in the game. Make him beat you. How have teams not figured out he blows and cannot shoot?
Teams can play 4 on 5 but they guard Appling as if he is a shooter? Guarding Appling and leaving Payne unguarded repeatedly? Kevin Ollie is not doing much coaching here.
Payne and Harris open is inexcusable.
Payne's ability to shoot threes is absurd
here comes the pull away
Man uconn blows
11 points in 20 minutes. Pathetic.
That wasn't a three!
It was counted as a 2.
Thought I saw them give Sparty three points and the announcers said it was 3. Looks like they got it right.
Since UConn had a 12-2 lead , Sparty has outscored them 30-11.
How many made threes does it take for these idiots to understand that u can't leave em open or they WILL make them!!
Another floor slap, another basket.
Did john Harbaugh coach at MSU?
The way timeouts work is basketball is just ruining it for me.
I agree. It just kills the rhythm of the game.
Why the heck is John Harbaugh wearing a MSU hat for the camera??? ?????
I'm surprised Jim wasn't there with him trolling Michigan and wearing his own MSU hat.
UConn is only down 6
I know staee is playing good defense but this game is within reach.
CUMMONG UCONN YOUUU CANNNNNNNN DOOOOO ITTT!!!!!!!!!!!
Payne seems like Joe Alexander 2.0 plus he trash talks way to much.
I would trade in TV timeouts for constant advertising in like the corner of the screen. Ridiculous how normal team TO, commercial, come back, 30 seconds of game play, oops under 16 TO, commercials again.
Why is John Harbaugh wearing a spartan hat...
won this region when Niang broke his foot.
Denzel valentine is ugly as hell, I hate him. And for the idiot that said I should "respect the kid" last time I said that, I'll say it again for you! He's fuckin ugly and is a cocky arrogant ass!
That should be a T on Dawson.
How was that not a kicked ball?
Guy is a minus player at this point. Keep feeding him!
2 point game
YOU CAN DO IT
UCONN DO IT
Garbage call. Should be a makeup on Payne immediately.
A flop or a guard throwing his head back trying to draw a foul? My vote is the head bob.
They look very tired...
Holy fuck it is loud there.
That's a foul. Defintiely.
Sparty cheap shot. Shocking. That has to be a flagrant foul. Has to be.
THAT SHOULD BE A TECHNICAL
Typical Sparty. Take out the other teams best player. Should be an ejection. Its only fair.
Gary Harris has a pretty good right cross
Wow! Horrendous call.
Did they really call that a foul on Napier?
Awful fucking call!!!
The refs will see what they missed pretty clearly. Watch for a makeup
This game is going to end 39-38
No makeup needed, Sparty will just chuck the ball away
Worst call of the tourney
However bad, that was not a flagrant. Come on people
Agreed -- it seemed like incidental contact to Napier's face. I hate Sparty as much as the next guy, but I prefer to save my outrage for legitimate cheap shots. (I'm sure one will arrive in the next few minutes. :-). However, I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how that was a foul on Napier. It looked like a clean steal to me.
AND ONE BABBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
izzo getting ready for a headsplosion
MSU losing. All is right with the world.
I repeat. WHY THE FUKK IS JOHN HARBAUGH WEARING A MSU HAT??? Im pissed. The fractions here still exist, apparently.
Must be really hard up for money.
Uconns coach must have bitched to the refs at halftime. Calling it much tighter now...still a crap call on Napier though
If Delaney wants the NY market, maybe he should be talking to UConn
UConn and Illinois Legislature-Mandated University to round out the 16-team mega conference
If Sparty loses, look for "unfair location of the game" as a new one in their list of excuses.
And, "Are you sure that was a regulation court? Trice said it was a little narrow."
That foul wasn't on Napier guys... Lol
someone was trying to throw the game with dumb turnovers like this.
SportScience thinks that Tom Izzo just had a minor stroke.
I love when msu constantly fouls and wonders why they get called for it. Obviously they get it from their coach.
Probably a blessing for MSU
Go UConn. Send Sparty home.
Dumb goaltend there, that shot was woefully short.
the refs are starting to call the fouls on MSU. I like it.
LOL that's why you don't fucking switch to the baseline camera angle on fast breaks..fucking CBS.
Game gets called as it should
That's assault, brotha
just got a sweet idea for a virtual reality cameraman POV device to watch sporting events
At some point you have to call an offensive foul on Payne.
Izzo seriously needs to just shut the fuck up
Payne just got away with such a bad hook. I'm pissed it resulted in MSU draining a 3.
Napier has hit all 4 of Uconn's three pointers
Would've loved for a Payne reach-in foul there but a fast break dunk works too
Rut roh, Sparty!?
23-7 run for UCONN since that Payne 2/3.
Like Kemba. Filthy.
This is where having no bench hurts
Whatever!!! The bench is unbelievable because of the experience they gained this season with all the injuries.
Weird guys don't learn
They've got a bench! That's where all the weird guys sit.
Many teams have a short bench. I think MSU is just not that well-conditioned for whatever reason.
Do it, UConn.
I want to hear whatever excuse Izzo can come up with in his post-game interview if they lose today.
That was awkward, what just happened?
Annoucers are awful. That was a kicked ball not a foul. Idiots.
Bill and Verne are ok in their own right but it's amazing how often they have literally no idea what's taking place on the court..that wasn't a foul, it was a kick ball, as evidenced by the kicked ball and the kick-ball motion made by the ref.
True,one time Lundquist didn't even recognize a pro golfer during a live tour event telecast.
I have an unnatural hatred for Gary Harris' awful mustache.
That hatred is completely natural.
Eich bin ein Husky!! (For the next thirty minutes or so!)
Love consistency in officiating. 8 fouls in the whole first half, both teams in the bonus early in the second. Wheeeeee!
Not watching. Can't stand it. Keep running the good interference, guys.
Just got home and turned on the game.
If MSU goes on a run, please turn it off.
Why is Payne not working inside?
And jeesh I don't know how an MSU fan can say anything about Michigan shooting a lot of threes after this game...
Bring back Appling.
UCONN will find a way to choke
least comforting 10 point lead.
and as i type it it's knocked down to 4
Just like that it's a game again. 5 minutes is forever.
Fuck..they had Napier on that run out if they'd have thrown it ahead, instead it's a turnover and an MSU transition 3..now it's down to 4
UConn just gave all the momentum back on a silver platter with that dumb turnover. Looked like a puppy trying to keep a tennis ball under control.
Need a basket here.
CBS would be my favorite channel to watch college basketball on if it wasn't for the large amount of commercials.
If UCONN had gone up 51/2-39 there the game was over. Proceded to turn it over, give up a 3, force a bad shot and give up another 3.
oh great, we're gonna have commercials again in 19 seconds of game play
Do we all agree that UCONN will blow this game?
Not sure if I want to hatewatch this or not
I just don't understand how sports momentum works. UConn looked like the Miami Heat for a few minutes and now they're all about air balls and bad turn around shots from the corner. Come on, Huskies.
UConn looks completely discombobulated on offense. Part of the credit for that has to go to Sparty's defense, but I think it's also possible that UConn isn't really all that good...
UCONN just seems to want it more. MSU shot their energy against UVA
UConn needs to stop killing clock and just run their offense.
Just hold on for a few moar minutes #UConnDoIT
Izzo works the refs the way other artists might work in oils or clay. It is his true medium; a master
Plus, Izzo has won a Major Award! I wonder if his wife is jealous of the 2000 NC trophy.