anyone and has had a very impressive season. I'd bet on them against Arizona with nothing bad to say about Az.
Elite 8 Odds: UK -2, MSU -5.5, AZ -3, UF -10
about AZ. I don't like their coach. Looks possessed.
Haaaaave you met Bo Ryan??
I don't see where all the Wisconsin love is coming from. Yes, they looked absolutely dominant against Baylor, who is a good team, but they were awfully close to getting knocked off by Oregon. It took a big run down the stretch to win that. I'm not saying they're not solid, but I think saying they are playing better than anyone is a bit much. Another game like the Baylor one and I'll jump on board.
Wisconsin is 13-2 in its last 15 games. Basically, aside from a slump in January for 2-3 weeks, they've looked really strong this season. They struggled some against Oregon but also opened the tournament with a 40-point thrashing, and then pounded Baylor. And we saw them put on a clinic in Crisler a month ago.
They have played well for most of the year, and while they probably aren't a top-3 team, I see no reason why they can't beat an Arizona team that has been good this tournament but far from dominant.
What is it about our team that makes people always pick against us? I don't know but I hope it keeps up. This team seems to love proving people wrong. GR3 tweeted something along the lines of "Feeling kinda slighted" late last night as Seth Davis, Gottleib, Barkley, and Steve Smith all picked against us.
I sure as hell hope they keep it up. They picked against us all last year and that worked out good. Arizona and Florida have not been that impressive to me this year. I got Wiscy with the "upset", but I think Florida might have to many athletes for Dayton.
Florida has not been impressive? Seriously? They are 35-2. They have beaten Kentucky 3 times and Tennesee 3 times. They have a 28 game winning streak.
I think it has to do with the fact that Michigan is a very 3 pt orriented team and doesn't have big players down low. They just don't look like the blueprint for a great team in most commentators minds. Much more the look of a Cinderella team/underdog than a frontrunner.
Michigan is one of the most heavily bet teams in the country. (See: last night's spread vs. KenPom's, futures bets)
can't overcome the size issue. . . (yeah I said it). They'll always favor teams who can deliver a big presence in the paint and shy away from those built around perimeter shooting because teams like Michigan can have an off night and the bigger teams usually prevail even when their own shooting is bad. . .
You know why? One game. The B1G title game is stuck in the media's mind and THAT team, not the team that won the B1G by three full games, is the one they remember. So the fact that we keep winning is nothing short of baffelling to them - given what a shittly team we obviously are.
I love it. The coaches use this as fuel and the players are seething. Nothing better than a pissed off, motivated team of excellent, well-coached players. And we have that.
I agree that is part of it, but this team also doesn't "look" like an elite team despite its record. Hell, they lost the national POY and another 1st-rounder from last year's team, plus their most touted returning player barely played. They're winning shooting 3s and playing acceptable defense, not really rebounding much, and basically having the profile of a mid-major for those reporters too lazy to really dig deep. Kentucky, of course, is coached by an absolute idiot who is very good at convincing (read: paying) good HS players to play for him for a year and then kicking them out. But oh, look at all of those star ratings!
Hard feelings. Tangibles: No one trusts 3-point shooting teams and think they must get cold.
Lines seem reasonable....except for our game. I'll take us for the win.
They've looked scary dominant so far.
Michigan vs. Kentucky game? I would have thought Michigan -2, but if they want to call us an underdog, that can be just a little more motivation. Not that "The Engineer" needs more motivation, but I'm sure being the underdogs here will be mentioned in our locker room.
The favored teams and estimated probabilities courtesy of Massey:
Florida - 85% (predicted 69-58 median score, Florida by 10.5)
Arizona - 57% (predicted 66-64 median score, Arizona by 2.5)
Michigan State - 62% (predicted 71-68 median score, MSU by 3.5)
Kentucky - 57% (predicted 71-69 median score, UK favored by 2.5)
EDIT: See below. Good catch - not enough coffee on this end. Fixed.
I'll take MSU and Florida to cover easily
We are going to blow them out. Won't be able to stop nick and caris. They had trouble stopping Hancock on the drive. If Cauley stein is out. They might have to go small with randle at the 5 because Johnson isn't athletic enough to gaurd the pick and roll. I hope JB runs a lot of 1-3-1 at them a force some turnovers. They don't have a true pg. They have talent but have flaws too that nobody is pointing out.
We are playing the greatest combination of a #11 and #8 seed ever. Then Selection Committee really shit the bed this year. I don't think a power conference team should be lower than a #10. Furthermore, UK should have been at least a #7 or #6. Wichita St. got jobbed in that deal.
We didn't really get jobbed though. If we would had to play our seed line we could have had duke or Louisville. It's the elite 8, unless you are msu the team you play will be tough.
I'm just saying ... usually when your path includes a #11 and a #8, you'd be getting a significant break. I don't think there's much of a difference between Duke/Tennessee or Kentucky/Wichita/Louisville ... I'd much rather play #11 Dayton or #7 UConn ... even the low seeds in our region were stacked -- all the way out to the Tennessee/Iowa play in game.
Well obviously I feel the same way about preferring uconn and Dayton. However every other team is on par or tougher than Kentucky.
It's the final eight. Seeding means nothing at this point.
Already gone from 2.5 to 2 at some places; 2 to 1.5 at others. So bettors must be liking UM more than UK so far.
Uk just got done beating their biggest rival. In Kentucky bearing louisville in basketball to them is equivalent to us beating Ohio in football/basketball. That was their Super Bowl last night. Plus only having 1 day to prepare for our offense...I like our chances.
Everyone is saying this- I'm not buying it
I think you are hearing this again and again because it makes sense.
Kentucky is also younger and less likely to pick up our offense...
We may lose, and we may win, but we will never be here again... (until next year. lol)
but playing against ranked teams this year. they are 1-6. with their only win being Louisville at home. . .yeah, 3 of those games were against Floriday. But it's a lot like Tennessee, it's all abou the quality of the competition.
If Michigan beat Ohio State and was on their way to the Rose Bowl, would you accept someone else saying "Oh Michigan's going to lose, beating Ohio State is their super bowl". No, you'd say "No winning that was awesome but we're still going to try to win the bigger game"
Kentucky isn't going to just lolly-gag around and go "Oh wellll. I'm just glad we beat Louisville. That's why we're in this tournament thing right guys?"
I think the difference is duration of time. If UM beat OSU in mid/late Nov they'd have well over a month to regroup before a Rose Bowl. Plus we have not been in the Big 10 title game so people around here forget there is actually a game to play after you beat Ohio. (sigh)
A better example would be if UM football beat OSU to get to the Big 10 title game and had to play someone they are not emotionally connected to ....like say a Nebraska in the Big 10 title game on a relatively short turnaround. Really 2 days in bball would be like playing Ohio on Saturday and then having a Thursday night game for the Big 10 championship.
Part of me says this will be an issue for UK but I think it would be more of an issue if they were jrs and srs. 18 yr olds have a way to forget things faster and if you have been on campus for 6 months you don't develop the same hate and passion and investment in the rivalry as you do if you had been there 3 years. Plus most of these UK kids are "mercenary" types; i.e. they went to UK thinking its 1 and done. So it's more of a pitstop then a place you wrap yourself up in the colors....
unfortunately, I'd have to agree.
Unfortunately, we have lost a fair number of Rose Bowls after beating Ohio State.
It's bigger to the fans than it is to the players. Don't get me wrong, the players want to win just as bad as the next guy but it's not like the whole season rests on that one game on New Years Eve. Last night was a different story obviously since Louisville is now done. Think back to 2012 when Kentucky beat Louisville in the Final Four. Kentucky didn't stop there and pat themselves on the back.
I'm not sure if I buy that the Kentucky team of one and dones, none of which are from Kentucky are nearly as emotionally invested in that game relative to other games of similar tournament magnitude as the fans of both teams are. And even if they are Kentucky played Louisville in the final four the year they won the title a couple years ago. I think this effect is being overblown a lot.
I like us in this game as long as Caris doesn't start playing for the other team in the 2nd half again.
Is the line considered odds? How would a 2 point dog translate into the odds of them winning
But Kentucky only has 10 losses! They are better than. people give them credit for. Young, raw talent and athleticism.
Only 10 losses, but also a serious lack of quality wins.
I think everyone on the team needs to put some stick-um on their hands so they can hold onto the ball better tomorrow
They have talent and as a team have been playing well. I think we are going to have to out score them. I hope we shoot 3's like we did during the first half of the TN game but keep it up all through the game!
I see three scenarios. Michigan wins a close game, UK wins a close game or UK wins by 20 or more.
Haha, so it outside of the realm of possibility for us to win by more than a few points? I do, however, agree with your first point that we will have to score more in order to win.
"I think we are going to have to out score them." I concur.
Last year we started with the 1st 2 games with double digit wins, then a tight 2 pt win in sweet sixteen. Followed that up with a romp on Florida. Kentucky is going down! Go Blue!
I fear a final with msu because without mcgary itll be tough, and thats the last thing i want, that they beat us in the final.
I hear you, but if given the choice, I'd much rather lose to MSU in the finals that not make it to that game at all.
Or we could beat them in the finals. That is an option too...
People are definitely overreacting to the BTT final. We had no legs that day, and our bigs drew an extremely tough whistle. Bielfeldt played 13 first-half minutes, for crying out loud.
I don't particularly want MSU again, but I wouldn't fear another game. We shredded their defense the first two times we played them, and if we were to meet with a rest day beforehand, I'd expect the game to unfold much more like the first two meetings.
Let's let MSU make sure that does not happen.
Edit. Yikes this is NOT in response to beating MSU in the finals.
Not being there on 4/7 if Sparty shows up...
Let's make em wait longer than 97 days to burn the next couch at Cedar Village...
I'll take a final versus any team out there
We will cover and win!
It is gonna happen. It will result in the highest TV ratings for an NCAA Final ever.
Meh, that is sort of a regional view. We just had Kentucky Kansas final 2 years ago, UNLV v Duke in 1990 was a massive matchup as UNLV was a jr NBA team... Kansas played Duke around the same era... the Fab 5 teams (who went up against 2 blue bloods back to back) were a lot more nationally "exciting" than this current group which gets hated on each round, etc.
Yeah I kind of feel the same. While of course I think it would be epic, my non-Michigan friends (I live in CA) are pretty 'meh' about the prospect. While they think it would be cool, they argue we've already seen that three times. They'd rather see an interesting matchup including either of those teams than both head to head again.
I'll bet it would be down...the whole state of MI would be watching, along with B1G country. But our ACC/SEC teams will probably go to ESPN7 and watch pre-recorded poker tourneys from Reno in 2010.
These young men are everything M stands for...tough, classy, competitive, smart, they don't crumble under pressure and they play till the end. May we all enjoy watching them on April 7. Live. On CBS. Past our bedtimes...
College basketball is all about guard play. While people like Charles Barkley would have you believe size is the most important factor, you will only advance as far as your backcourt can take you. With that said I see the Elite 8 games playing out like so:
Florida by 12
Arizona by 7
Michigan by 6
UConn by 4
The UConn/MSU game is the toughest one for me but I think the combination of Napier, Boatright and Daniels will overcome if the size of Payne and Dawson. UConn has the best backcourt in the country in my opinion and their quickness will be a problem for MSU.
because I see State and Wisconsin winning. Izzo has them cranking now. They are going to be very hard to beat. Virginia was a very good team. Our conference is stronger top to bottom than the ACC but it is very close. If they can beat VA they can beat UConn. Wisconsin is just flat out on fire. I'd rather play Arizona than them. Still, if we take care of business, then we'll be fine against anyone.
Last week the only remaining perfect bracket in the Yahoo challenge had UM/MSU in the finals. Here's hoping we keep our end of that!
You very well could be right and it's hard to disagree with what you are saying. I just think Nick Johnson is going to give Wisconsin fits. Wisconsin has been playing well though and if they are hot from outside it will be tough to beat them. Same goes for MSU. Dawson is playing out of his mind. Any of the games with Big Ten teams could go either way. MSU probably has the easiest game on paper but Napier is the type of player that can almost win a game by himself. All 3 games should be fun to watch.
that we didn't play a good game yesterday. We were sloppy as heck. We turned over way too many times including 4 posessions in a row at the very end of the game. We even turned over the turnovers we caused. 2 occasions we stole the ball from UT and then lost it back to them. It was totally uncharacteristic of us. We missed a lot of shots we usually make. We went huge spans of game time without making a basket. Nik was 5 of 12 and only 3 of 8 from 3 point territory. And he couldn't stop Richardson to save his life. Knowing the player he is, he will come out Sunday and have a MONSTER game against Kentucky.
There were benefits to having a down game. We had to focus better defensively. That Morgan block on the Tennessee player was nothing short of spectacular. Other players turned it up too. We get Robinson, Nik and LaVert cranking against Kentucky and they will be in very serious trouble.
We shot lights out, we had a bad final five minutes, actually a bad final 2 minutes, otherwise we played fairly well.
We shot 55% but had 13 turnovers which is u characteristic for us. I think we could have definitely absorbed a worse shooting night if we took better care of the ball.
Weird stuff happens when Wisconsin plays teams from the state of AZ
I'm sure the dean of Big Ten coaches will provide Coach B with some tips about how his Spartans were able to beat this Kentucky NBA franchise. On the other hand, if there were time to waste, would Coach B have any advice for Bo about AZ?
It would be amazing (and good for my blood pressure) if we can recreate the curb-stomping we gave Florida in the Elite 8 last year against Kentucky this year.