Elite 11 Finals on ESPN right now
Well, they're trying to promote their product, so of course they're going to mostly highlight the guys they thought were the "elite 11"
Even if you aired it shortly after it was over, you'd still have the same problem you highlighted. And I don't think a ton of people would watch a few hours of live coverage for five straight days or however long it is. The documentary style is probably the best option for this.
Day 2
won it day 2 i think... cant believe i kinda sorta remember that.
Seeing Dilfer put Shane under that "test," you have to think that he knew Shane was the best quarterback there. He wanted to put the most pressure and focus on him...even commended him for making the big throw under the spotlight on the last throw of the day.
August 7th, 2012 at 10:49 PM ^
Well that was an awkward string of posts...
Dilfer is doing his best Joe Swanson yell immitation right now.
Fuck Trent Dilfer. Do not support this shit. Shane Morris being left out = a total fucking joke.
You are right. I am an idiot. Please, do not listen to me hate on Trent Dilfer. He won a Super Bowl! He was good!
Dilfer either knew Shane was the best, or he/ESPN needed a scape goat for tv. He wins the jersey on the first day. Then is left out of the top 11, but a kid who couldnt even throw makes it. I know Ferguson is decent, but if you cant throw, how can the really judge you. A lot of QBs and Golfers have great mechanics while warming up, but it is where the ball goes that matters.
I thought they explained that pretty well. They put in multiple guys based on competitiveness and work ethic. Whether you agree with that or not is another issue.
They did explain it was based on several factors. However, how seriously should we take a quarterback competition that didn't weigh "throwing the football" that heavily? Sure seems stupid.
How seriously should we take any competition between High School QB's? Is Shane making the Elite 11 cut going to help him make a better throw against OSU? Sometimes this blog get's too wrappred up in recruiting. Threads discussing the performance/results of 7 on 7, a giant freak out because Shane wasn't declard Elite 11. None of that stuff matters once he steps foot on campus, yet people are treating it like a great dishonor to Michigan, like Fulmer snubbing us in the Coaches poll
Well, he looked good on the one pass I saw him throw.
Shane's not top 11! Let's get that Greenlee guy instead.
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I would watch this, but I don't want to get unreasonably pissed off.
I will sooner watch rythmic gymnastics than watch Trent Dilfer.
It's all about the synchonized swimming. Not diving.
I found myself watching synchronized diving quite a bit...that shit is actually really cool
August 7th, 2012 at 10:07 PM ^
I hear they make out in the pool
August 7th, 2012 at 10:34 PM ^
Look at the list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPN_RISE_Elite_11
Yikes. Tons of shitty QBs and bust. Matt Stafford, Josh Freeman and Andrew Luck are the best of the bunch. The rest all suck.
August 7th, 2012 at 10:55 PM ^
Seriously? Like 40% of those guys played in the NFL. Most had pretty solid college careers. This is coming from a group of high school kids. Not everybody is Tom Brady...
August 7th, 2012 at 11:02 PM ^
isn't the objective toward evaluting QBs. It's how successul they are in NCAA and NFL level. Dan Marino isn't a bust despite the fact that he never won a SB, but is probably the top 5 QB of all time for example.
From '99 to '05, I only counted 4(1 pending) who went on to have a successful career in the NFL. Not sure if you count Mark Sanchez yet. Jake Locker is one that is pending. That's a huge amount of bust percentage. There are QBs who are successful in the NCAA level like Vince Young, Tim Tebow but won't amount to anything as a QB.
If you are in Elite 11, you should be able to have a successful NCAA career which most haven't done it plus a successful NFL career which nearly none hasn't done it.
August 8th, 2012 at 11:36 AM ^
99 - 5/11 had productive careers (Cassel not so much in college but in the pros he has)
00 - 6/11 had productive college careers
01 - 6/11 had productive college careers (Matt Guttierez may have had if not for injury and being blocked by Henne. Made NFL roster at one point)
02 - 4/11
03 - 4/10 (one kid didn't go to college, played baseball after high school instead)
04 - 4/11
05 - 8/11
06 - 5/11
07 - 8/11
Alot of TBDs from 08 and on
Very few QBs have successful NFL careers. It's a tough position for a reason. Heck, if they did an Elite 11 at every position, you'd have to consider the rankings a failure because a majority of kids don't go on to the NFL because there are less than 2000 active players in the NFL at a given time. I think having a productive college career is a better criterion for evaluating these rankings. And they're not doing great, but they're not doing terrible. If having a successful NFL career is the only way to look at these rankings, then every rankings service is a failure.
'99: 0/11
'00: 5/11
'01: 4/11
'02: 3/11
'03: 1/11
'04: 2/11
'05: 5/11
'06: 2/11
'07: 4/11
These are all based on NCAA career. That's less than 40% like the poster claimed. Based on NFL career from '99 to '05, only 4 of them have success in the NFL level. That's 4 out 66 which is a terrible percentage.
ESPN Elite 11 does a terrible job of evaluating QBs. Simple as that.