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Eleven Warriors take on Tresselgate

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/04/mr-clean#more

 

Interesting take on the yesterdays announcement of the NOA that Ohio State recieved last Friday from the writers at elevenwarriors. While I am not surprised that the consensus opinion among buckeyes is in favor of Tressel I am surprised at the depths to which they will go to justify that McCheatypants love.

Every tragedy has a well-intentioned idiot, and this one is no different.  From the moment that Columbus attorney Christopher Cicero created a paper trail to Tatgate, Tressel had his work cut out for him.  While he had options and could have acted more covertly, it's now abundantly clear that Tressel tried to abort Tatgate before it gestated into Tatgate.  Immediately notifying the compliance department would have effectively birthed Tatgate last April.  While he failed in the noble endeavor to ultimately make it go away, he kept it obscured until the Feds finally shot their publicity ray at it.

You know how many other FBS coaches would have hoped or tried for this episode to erase itself rather than give a glimpse of it to their compliance departments?  All of them.  This isn't the cop out of "it happens everywhere."  This is the fundamental principle of risk mitigation that says if you think you can make trouble disappear rather than deal with its consequences, you make it disappear.

So basically the argument is that everyone would have done the same thing and we were simply unlucky enough to get caught. Hmmm.... sounds familiar. There is more about this article that is just so very wrong but try telling them that. Just thought it might give the mgoboard a good laugh.

 

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:34 PM | So the fact that the guy created a paper trail (Score:2 Insightful)
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Was the problem? Not that there was something to create a paper trail to?



And if no one would turn to their compliance department, why do we even have them? This was pretty rich.

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:34 PM | Columbus should be renamed (Score:2 Underrated)
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Columbus should be renamed Jonestown.

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:57 PM | Columbus should be renamed (Score:2 Funny)
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HELL LITERALLY THE UTTER SOURCE OF ALL DAMNATION THAT HAS EVER OR EVER WILL PLAGUE THE EARTH, aka THE PLACE WHERE THE DEVIL RULES HIS NEVERENDING CAMPAIGN OF EVIL AGAINST THE WORLD, MORE SPECIFICALLY HELL CITY aka THE CAPITAL OF EVIL IN THE DISTRICT OF HELLACTICA aka THE OFFICIAL SEAT OF THE COUNTY OF BEELZEBUBB, THE STATE OF LUCIFERSYLVANIA PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AS HELL CITY, HELL.  Oh, and HELL.

Aww, hell, I forget the rest.

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April 26th, 2011 at 9:08 PM | ^^I love this.  Columbus is (Score:2 Funny)
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^^I love this.  Columbus is the absolute worst place on planet earth and my idea of hell is spending an eternity in that hole.  I once was at a work sponsored osu tailgate, and wore a blue shirt (light blue not M blue) that read Toledo Zoo on the chest.  I had at least a half dozen morons yell "Michigan sucks" or "Fuck Michigan" at me without even knowing that I am from and a fan of Michigan.

And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan

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April 26th, 2011 at 9:42 PM | HE F#%&ING BROKE A RULE, FAILED TO TELL, AND LIED!!!!!!!!! (Score:4 Funny)
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LIED LIED LIED LIED LIED LIED!!!!!!!!!

He found out his own players broke the f-ing rules of the governing body that makes the rules of the sport that he works in.

He failed to tell the school about said f-ing broken rules which is yet another rule broken.

By not telling the school which would subsequently tell the rule making commission which would subsequently suspend the players for the sake of letting said players play he broke yet more rules. 

Then he f-ing broke MORE rules of said governing body by LYING TO THEM that he didn't know anything!!!

HOW THE F DO YOU DEFEND THAT!

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April 26th, 2011 at 9:56 PM | I blog from the inside, and (Score:1)
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I blog from the inside, and I've been getting more dirty looks this quarter than last for sure.  I just grin and go about my non-illegal business--unlike Jim Tressel.  Bahahahaha.

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April 27th, 2011 at 12:06 AM | It is indefensible and thats (Score:1)
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It is indefensible and thats what I just dont get about his supporters. He lied, his lie is in writing, he was caught, he lied again at the press conference, that lie was exposed once again with a paper trail.  It's disgusting how he pandered to the military at their spring game as well. He exhibits none of the qualities that we have come to expect and honor from our servicemen.

And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan

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April 26th, 2011 at 9:41 PM | You forgot "stinky" and (Score:2 Funny)
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You forgot "stinky" and "filthy". Other than that, I think you pretty much nailed it. Top drawer analysis.

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:05 PM | Creepy YMCA odes are the backbone of OSU fandom. (Score:2 Funny)
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buck i guy 4
buck i guy 7
buck i guy 3
buck i guy5
buck i guy6
GO BUCSCHSCKS!

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:45 PM | OSU fans are CRAZY (Score:2 Normal)
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and not in a good way.  Trust me, I grew up with these people and I know 'em backwards and forwards.

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:52 PM | O-H-I-O to O-I-H-O? (Score:1)
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That's some pretty complex shit for them, I would think.

Go Blue!

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:55 PM | I swear I know like 3 of these people from high school (Score:2 Funny)
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oiho

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April 26th, 2011 at 11:11 PM | I'll let Cartman express my love and lack of shock for that pic. (Score:2 Funny)
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Go Blue!

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:56 PM | Video about Ohio State football fans (Score:1)
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This video shows Ohio State football fans at their best ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xesorNqSJI8

 

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April 26th, 2011 at 11:05 PM | I think it's OK to start speculating about this game again (Score:1)
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April 26th, 2011 at 11:38 PM | And I figured out how to embed (Score:1)
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Above video, embedded ...

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/xesorNqSJI8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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April 26th, 2011 at 11:40 PM | How to embed? (Score:1)
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BTW ... since there's a few embedded videos here, how does one embed a youtube video here?  Is there a tutorial link?  Just curious ...

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April 27th, 2011 at 12:03 AM | np (Score:1)
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1.  Copy the embedding code.

2.  Switch to plain text editor (link at bottom of Comment box)

3.  Paste code and Save.

4.  Profit.

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April 27th, 2011 at 1:21 AM | It sounds like he is ready to (Score:1)
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It sounds like he is ready to dump Tressel since he doesn't cheat as effectively anymore as he used to.  Time to bring in a fresh cheater without the baggage.  Calling Urban.

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:42 PM | those players (Score:1)
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would have been ineligible in any case.  Thats what cheaters do, they fail at taking responibility secondly, sheilding these players from the consequences of their actions is also irresponsible.  poor decision and apparently a character flaw JT has not overcome.  no matter how many books on religion and character he writes. ultimately he has to live those values and that sometimes means facing down the unpleasant things in life 

 "Runnnn!!! get to da choppa"

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:43 PM | Hey, why they have to take a (Score:2 Funny)
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Hey, why they have to take a shot at RR in the 2nd paragraph, what's so  embarrassing about loving Josh Groban classics?

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:07 PM | That's nothing. (Score:1)
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Usually 11W has at least three or four jabs against Michigan per article.  Cooooooome and get it!  Plenty of "scUM" for the whole family!

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:43 PM | If you read the whole thing it's worse (Score:1)
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Basically it's the Dirty Dozen's not that you killed the guy..."but you let someone see you do it". Except it was more justified in the movie. That can't be taken seriously as a blog anymore, if it ever was.

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:54 PM | It's not that Tressel cheats, (Score:1)
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It's not that Tressel cheats, it's his nascent inability to "keep the lid on things" that's bothersome

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:44 PM | I feel bad for Christopher Columbus (Score:3 Funny)
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He got the shittiest city, in the shittiest state named after him.

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:48 PM | Columbus was something of a swine himself; (Score:1)
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ask Bartolome de las Casas.

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April 26th, 2011 at 9:06 PM | Bartolome (Score:4 Funny)
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I just tweeted him

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April 26th, 2011 at 9:35 PM | No better than he deserves. I (Score:1)
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No better than he deserves. I would expect Hitler, Germany to be very good either. It's still shocking he gets a day.

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:46 PM | LOL (Score:1)
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Man oh man, these guys are too rich for my blood.

Hide ya kids, hide ya wife.

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:47 PM | You guys have NO idea how (Score:1)
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You guys have NO idea how much denial is going on down here.  I have about 80 OSU fans who work for me who, to a man, are convinced this is nothing and will all blow over soon. 

 

 

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:50 PM | Where do you work?  (Score:1)
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Where do you work? 

Hail.

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:55 PM | Athletics (Score:5 Funny)
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Athletics Administration
1010 Fawcett Center, 2400 Olentangy River Road
Columbus, OH
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Phone: 292-7572
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Harvard: The MICHIGAN of the East

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April 26th, 2011 at 9:24 PM | + Eleventy billion. (Score:1)
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+ Eleventy billion.

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April 26th, 2011 at 9:18 PM | OSU fans working for a (Score:1)
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OSU fans working for a Michigan alum?  Yep, that sounds like the correct hierarchy.

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:16 PM | Last several years I've (Score:1)
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Last several years I've locked myself in my office and play the Victors over our intercom during OSU week.

They hate it...I love it.

 

 

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:37 PM | Nice (Score:1)
Wolverine96
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And you won't end punt like Andy Dufrane (sp) for hijacking the intercom.



Hope you throw in some Ufer as well!

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures. "

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:38 PM | Damn iPhone auto correct (Score:1)
Wolverine96
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End up not end punt.

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures. "

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:04 PM | Considering it's blown over (Score:1)
MGoRob
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Considering it's blown over for every other infraction OSU's had, I can't blame them for that attitude.  MoClo, Holmes, Troy Smith and the others were all basically swept under the rug.  OSU has gotten off scott-free and the fans can only believe that this will too.

My BIGGEST QUESTION, is if Tressel thought this was acceptable to sweep under the rug (as the Eleven warriors writer suggests), then I really want to know WHAT ELSE HE'S SWEPT UNDER THERE TOO!  Where there's smoke, there's fire...

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April 26th, 2011 at 11:15 PM | De Nile is not just a river in Egypt (Score:1)
JoshSayzGoBlue
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I work in Dublin, Ohio (a suburb of Columbus for those that don't know) and they are ALL in denial.  It's freakin hilarious.  It is seriously cult like here.  You bring it up they change the subject instantly.  They had no problem bringing up all the issues that Michigan had and I'd talk about all of it.    

Honestly, I know Tressel has done a lot of good things in Columbus and is a good person, but given the fact that he lied and tried to cover up the entire thing is just disappointing.  He should be fired and OSU should be pusnished.  I do think there is more to the story and that there is possible a cover up of some sorts with Gene Smith and Gordon Gee, but since Tressel can fire them both, it's easier for him to take the hit.

 

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:49 PM | "Pryor is a repeat offender (Score:1)
1484
Joined: 06/21/2010
MGoPoints: 14266

"Pryor is a repeat offender of Academic All-Big Ten honors."

Hmm... double entendre?  I've met the guy.  I've heard him speak.  He is not an Academic All Big Ten type guy.  Things would get really interesting if the library geek who does his schoolwork would come forward...

Hail.

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:43 PM | My friend (my only OSU (Score:1)
dmblue
Joined: 03/12/2009
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My friend (my only OSU friend) was his tutor last year.  She thought he was an idiot.

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April 27th, 2011 at 12:02 AM | His research paper suggests (Score:2 Funny)
brandanomano
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His research paper suggests that he does his own work though

Special Teams means special times!

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:51 PM | what they're overlooking is that the coverup is the problem; (Score:1)
MGlobules
Joined: 11/17/2008
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these guys got tats, sold football paraphenelia. It was very low-grade criminality. Busting them fast--as it was his contractual obligation to do--would have been the quickest way to stanch the wound. Now, maybe Tress had been eye-to-eye with lots more of this stuff, down through the years, but. . .  

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:55 PM | People keep making the (Score:1)
BlockM
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People keep making the players' actions out to be crimes. They're not.

@pnbloem | Ultra-MGoBoard

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April 26th, 2011 at 9:15 PM | I'll have to check TP's 2010 (Score:1)
Still in AA
Joined: 08/07/2009
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I'll have to check TP's 2010 tax return first.

Let's eat Grandpa.

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April 26th, 2011 at 11:27 PM | Even then, exchanging (Score:1)
Theodore Broosevelt
Joined: 11/08/2008
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Even then, exchanging memorabilia for tattoos is not a crime. Failing to report that he exchanged goods and earned income is a crime, but it has nothing to do with the actions that lead to the potential income.

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:51 PM | okay, but you're (Score:1)
MGlobules
Joined: 11/17/2008
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proving my larger point--it wasn't such a huge deal to begin with. Tressel stuck his stupid finger in the socket by not dealing with it, which had possibly become SOP with him after years of such shenanigans.

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April 26th, 2011 at 9:00 PM | Its all about the cover-up baby! Oh yeah, Oh yeah! (Score:1)
Bighousemike84
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If at first you dont succeed, try, try again.

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April 26th, 2011 at 9:04 PM | Impressive... (Score:1)
Kilgore Trout
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I don't get this guy's conclusions at all.  This whole issue is incredibly simple.

1.  Knowingly withheld information about player eligibility from OSU and the NCAA.

2.  Knowlingly played an entire season with ineligible players.

End of story.  The rest is rationalization and noise.  If you can look at that and say you're ok with that as behavior in your head coach, that is your right, but at least acknowledge the sitauation.

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April 26th, 2011 at 9:09 PM | What I Wonder (Score:1)
Mr. Robot
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I see his point that anyone would try to cover it up, and normally I wouldn't disagree, but there is a catch here that makes me wonder what was going through Tressel's head.

So you catch wind a couple of your best players might be ineligible. A lot of coaches, admittadely, would try and cover that up. He knew in advanace that this was uncovered by an FBI investigation, which means it was almost certain to get out eventually. Knowing that there is no way you can cover it up indefinitely, why would you cover it up knowing its going to lead to bad things down the road? What makes him think that a run at a national title that would be likely taken away later is better than just taking the hit, trying to weather the first 4-5 games of 2010, and living to fight another day?

"Good evening, and welcome to Michigan Stadium for this the one-hundred thirty-second season of Michigan football, and the thirty-ninth meeting between Michigan and Notre Dame." -Carl Grapentine, September 10, 2011

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