I completely agree with you. Although we lead the all time series against Ohio, our play against them over the last 10 years has not been great. Ohio fans run their mouths regardless, and this year almost discounted our victory over them because of their circumstance. I prefer that we beat Ohio, and act like we have done it before. And that we expect it. Sometimes you say more when you just don't say anything. Lets win on the field and laugh at them making excuses.
Eleven Warriors Article on Michigan's Trash Talking
our record against ohio in the last year DOES warrant trash talking. I don't see what's wrong with it, only brings more fire to the rivalry.
The guy who keeps his mouth shut and lets the results speak for themselves is always cooler than the guy who runs his mouth.
They almost discounted our victory over them because of their circumstance? The circumstance of thier making? If anything should be discounted it should be Tressel's run of success. He is proven cheater that has been given a show cause penalty which calls into question his whole tenure as coach. They also had every player back from suspension at that point.
I'd prefer it if they took the high road, but I don't know what difference games five years ago makes on a recruit who wants to beat Ohio badly. I like that our guys hate Ohio so much.
It's a rivalry. The biggest rivalry in sports. What do you expect?
I expect Michigan to smash them in the mouth in the game. I expect fans to mouth off. I expect trashy behavior from Ohio and Columbus. (cooler poopers, anyone?)
But for the team, I love what Hoke and Mattison bring. No excuses. Play hard, play clean, just do it. Maybe the best example of this was after the Michigan State game. Hoke didn't complain, and didn't whine. But you can can bet that Michigan will bring it this next year.
There has ALWAYS been a lot of talk in this rivalry. OSU fans have forgotten a bit, because for the past several years, no Michigan fan or player who was sane dared talk. That is no longer the case.
Now, if they're actually saying truly mean stuff, that's one thing. But this rivalry has NEVER been short on billboard material.
I've played against better players in practice and he's no Shawn Springs.
~David Boston on Charles Woodson in 1997.
HA! What an asshole. Obviously can't say Michigan players don't talk shit, but are any this delusional?
What an effing punk that guy is, MR. Roid Rage himself. I remember when he played out here for the Chargers...the guy is a piece of shit!
and raise you one Charles Woodson beauty:
"They do the talkin', I do the walkin'"...as he capped off his magical 1997 season with a receivng TD, a punt return TD, an INT, and a TKO of David Boston vs. Ohio
Honestly, its not even worth posting this on the message board. Yes 11W has way more michigan hatred and flamebait on their website then Mgblog but we do the same things everyonce in awhile (the posters that is, not Brian, Ace, ect). Haters gonna hate.
Exactly, even their writers call us "scUM" let's take the high road and let them whine about it...
Let's not dwell on what the folks in COlumbus think. I mean, since when do we really care? Do we expect them to do anything other than whine about whatever is going on with Michigan? We aren't really in a position to be puffing out our chests TOO much, just because we are supposed to be above all that.
Let them complain about Molk, et al. They will throw a little hissy fit and you know what, we would probably be a bit annoyed if Brewster mouthed off about Molk. Ugh. I would just rather we ignore them.
My feelings exactly. I have no problem with having a discussion about trash talking vs taking the high road (Personally I'm with Kass, I'd rather we were the silent kings of the conference), but there have been too many threads lately attempting to rationally argue against 11W stories. Honestly, there is NO redeeming quality to that website. You can't bring a knife to a gun fight with a blind paralytic who can't feel you stabbing him and who traded someone a tattoo to have them snipe you from a rooftop.
more walk, less talk. On the the other hand f*ck ohio. (except Sunday)
Fab Five, anyone? Bring attitude to the game. No one talking trash thinks that they're playing football using words. It's just good-natured confidence (at least in these examples). It's not like Jalen is talking about people's mothers (or worse...)
Michigan's overall record the last 4 years vs Ohio should not preclude him from offering his opinion of how he personally stacks up against other centers in the league, talent-wise (how he phrased it? Another matter entirely).
If he was caught saying Ohio sucks etc then yes, the first retort could - and probably should - be well hey, they had quite the streak vs Michigan. Yet, iirc, he simply disagreed with other evaluations of his stock at center in the NFL vs other Big 10 centers.
I didnt like the thing after the Ohio game where Denard chucks the ball up in the air and everyone collapses when it lands... there is a time and a place for it, and to me its mocking what should be a VERY respected rival.... without Ohio there is no rivalry.. This is what most fail to understand, about Ohio. I for one, root for them (privately) for every game except ours...and the true Ohio fans do so privately for us.
That Denard bomb thing shouldn't be done vs Ohio...or at least do it after they leave the field, NOT during handshakes... I would hope Hoke said something... I dont recall Ohio ever mocking us like that during handshakes after they whipped us.
My two favorite teams on any given Saturday are Michigan and whoever is playing Ohio
can't root for ohio or sparty unless it their victory somehow helps M. I acknowledge the immaturity; just can't help it.
I say this as someone who started a thread titled "Go Buckeyes" today:
You know what is really respecting the rivalry? Going for 2 up by 36 in the 4th and doing so because you "couldn't go for 3." yeah, we owe them a lot of respect
I respect classy opponents. OSU and MSU have proven to be anything but. They're boorish and repugnant. I root for them to lose every game they play unless their winning somehow benefits us.
I always rooted for ohio to win till they played us, that is until that cheatin' vest started roaming their sidelines and ruined the integrity of the rivalry during his 10 year reign.
People talk about ohio's record in the aughts against us? They fucking cheated the whole time!
Case in point:
2002, they don't beat us without Clarett, do they?
2004, 2005 and 2006 they don't beat us without Troy Smith, do they? Does anybody believe he only got $500? Really? I got some land in the Everglades I'd like to sell you.
Also, those weren't the only 2 guys by a longshot. I now have so much disdain for them and couldn't care less what their record is before they play us. That rivalry doesn't mean as much to me anymore, sorry. ohio can stink up the joint always for all I care, SCREW THEM CHEATIN' A-HOLES!!!
P.S., The lamest thing to me is how ohio fans brag about beating us and forget they were cheating while doing it, just pathetic!
But I thought that's why Ohio had that "Exploring" degree program? I understand your point about how the record in the rivalry being less than stellar in the last decade, but I think this particular rivalry will always have this sort of talk associated with it regardless of recent success or lack thereof. It's that deep.
In any event, it's not like this guy wasn't trying to fan the flames himself - "Satan's Mitten", "quiet confidence in Urban Meyer's dominance of Brady Hoke and his Temple Of Blown Wind", "Hoke's inferiority complex", among others, and to offend our orthographic sensibilities, "the year pryor". Freudian slip, perhaps? A poorly delivered, hypocritical admonishment, at best.
Cry me a fucking river. We got dominated by them for a decade when they had rosters tainted with ineligible players. We had to listen to their fans talk shit for years nonstop because the playing field wasn't level. But yeah, how dare our players and recruits say anything bad about their most hated rival. Bily Price says hi.
Seriously. Michigan players talking shit to OSU players is hardly article worthy for 11W, and said article is certainly not thread worthy. When RR didn't say enough about OSU, he didn't get the rivalry. Now that our players are being outspoken about it, they're out of line. Give me a fucking break.
Mike Hart talked a lot of trash. So did Harbaugh. This happens, guy. Get over it.
Exactly. We are back to winning with integrity. Ohio has no idea the train about to roll over them during the Reign of Hoke.
For that brilliant comment by you.
What's funny is how over-confident ohio fans are because they have Urban the Retirer, Hoke is gonna whoop his ass!
Applies in many different dimensions
1) the recruits are the ones that play the game
2) I would be very surprised if OSU and Meyer needed/ used trash talking to get "extra pumped" for The Game.
I'mhappy the recruits are thinking about the rivalry, and frankly, Molk is correct in his statement.
Its called swagger. Confidence. And after the last 9 previous years I am all about it. We are an elite program with elite talent who need to act like it. We have been through some dark shit as fans and I could care less if people think we need to take the high road. We take that in how we handle almost everything else. Its good to see that our players take pride, embrace the rivalry and are ready to go out and do the damn thing. Jesus is it that slow of a news day???
I honestly dont see the big deal here;
1. Its Ohio vs Michigan-the best damn rivarly in sports
2.Yea Molk spouted off---he deserves to he is an undersized, underweight center who everyone wrote off as nothing more than practice team fodder but he discovered the weightroom and became Rimington award winning 41 rep bad ass. The team loosing to Ohio 4/5 years is not completely his doing. He was arguably our best and grittest lineman who showed up the blue chippers at the combine.
3. The recruits--they dont necessarily have the right to talk at this point but that will end as soon as they actually don the winged helmet. HOWEVA, Hoke and Co. have instilled the Bo mentality of B10 Championships then we'll talk about a MNC and who do we have to play to win a B10 Champ? Ohio/MSU/ND so they get it. They know the game before they even set on campus and they are playing their part. I love that attitude especially with these Ohio kids who have something to prove.
Honestly, Ohio fans bombard Pipkins and Magnuson with tweets about Ohio, and how Michigan sucks, and how they made a bad choice etc. You have to expect some animosity from our players. You can only be harrased so much without saying "**** Ohio". Hell. I say "**** Ohio", and I barely have any contact with Ohio fans, but the ones I do discuss football with (for the most part) warrant that.
It's a rivalry. That's how things go. They can't act like they are these chaste beacons of sportsmanship. Because they sure as hell are not.
11 warriors can suck on russell the love muscle.
I don't want to know what that means... but at the same time...I really want to know what that means.
Sports = A contest among athletes to prove athletic superiority in a given domain.
Athlete = One who competes in a sport. Athletes may be divided by sport, by experience, and by quality of athletic talent.
Professional Sports = Athletic contests among the most athletically talented and experienced athletes.
College Sports = Athletic contests among less atheltically talented and inexperienced athletes.
Logical Conclusion: Professional Sports are better at achieving the base goal of sports. They will more effectively prove athletic superiority.
Of course, we all know that's bullcrap. Pro sports have NOTHING on college sports. Why? Because of "Little Brother", "Ohio" and "That School Up North". Because of Trash Talk.
Tommy Schutt ate turf.
As a great corner once said "they can do the talking and I will do the walking". Worked well in 97, why not now?
Our corner was doing a lot of talking and walking.
much less what the Elven Warriors think. He is also intelligent enough to know what he is doing, and he is the one who has to back it up. He is working out with Woodley, Foote, Ray, and others. I could be wrong, but I'd suspect that he might get feedback from them that would actually count for something.
It might also behoove everyone to remember that what Molk said was after this tidbit:
Konz said shortly after the lift that at the center position, too much shouldn't be made of combine measurables such as bench-press reps. "There's so many variables, I don't chalk it up much," he said. "I try to use my technique, but that's something I'll work out." When asked about Molk's 41 reps -- more than twice what he posted in the same event -- Konz said: "It'll translate a little bit (to NFL play), but at the same time, you need to know what kind of football player a guy is."
If the incoming recruits don't know it now, they will soon enough. I am looking forward to seeing young Mr. Pipkins laugh in our collective faces.
I like the way the team is handling things - do it on the field. You might end up with an SI cover like #29.
I don't think that anything that is posted in Ohio is worthy of a really long thread here, but that's just me. That isn't a knock on the post, just the effort on our part.
The fact they're miffed just means we're getting in their heads, and we're a threat again. Better than the pity when they were cheating their asses off. Love how they're now whistling past the graveyard.
2. Contribute substantively to discussion
I think it's good the players are passionate about the rivalry, but if this is "newsworthy" at 11w, then they need to get out more.
Mods - Kass should get an extra bump in pts for starting some good dicussions this week during his bout with the flu.
THIS IS MICHIGAN FORGODSAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I try to refrain from using harsh language on this blog, but he can honestly get fucked. I've had enough of submitting to OSU bullshit and I'm frankly glad that our players are ready to talk shit and back it up on field. Fuck the record, fuck the past. We're here to compete and if you have a problem with that then show it on field. The days of laying down to Tressel-led teams has passed and Urban can do whatever he pleases. Michigan isn't going anywhere anytime soon. The competition will be played out on field not on blog posts written by nobodies. Enjoy getting beat with players who grew up OSU fans.
It's nice knowing we're back at a point where OSU fans are so butt hurt they make such big deals about quotes like this and have to constantly rationalize about why their recruiting class will be better than ours. I like it this way.
I am all for trash-talking as long as it's funny. If you talk trash and it isn't funny, then you just look like an asshole.
Who are these "Eleven Whiners" of which you speak?
They have to try and conjure up some chalk board material based off of recruit chatter....cmon. Don't be mad because Michigan has a new found swagger .....be mad that your glory decade is over and marred with scandal....far beyond what you've been punished with...seeing as how your in bed with the Ncaa. Michigan is recruiting players with a Passion for the maize and blue and I damn love the bell out of it. If theses comments hurt their feelings maybe they need to get thicker skin. ***k Ohio....we all feel that way.....so why is it an issue when the men that will be facing the red devils from the south come out and say it?! This is petty and I stand behind our boys. The days when we don't have kids confident enough to come out and say these things are the days we just finished suffering through....the days where Ohio was looked at like a juggernaut....Ohio is and has always been a Regional power. Don't feed their ego. Lebron left for a reason....your university is classless and willing to sell their soul for a victory. Your an institution of cheaters and you simply will never ever be on the same plain as THE university of Michigan. Thanks and the 100 of Michigan fans that are lucky enough to get seats in your disgusting Horseshoe for the Game next (due to your attempts to maximize homefield with crooked visitor seating allotments....shady bastards..) will witness another victory over your scandal stained program. Goodnight and Go blue.....oh yeah....beat Sparty for once this Sunday too....stop pretending to be a basketball power and live up to expectations for once.
I love the bell out of this
Droid phone in a patrol car at 0330 is not a good mixture...
from the school that produced Terry Glenn and David Boston? Really?
Ohio fans being upset about this kind of thing is the surest sign that the ship has been righted in Ann Arbor. The more time they spend worrying about Michigan, what we are doing, what we are saying, etc. the better.
Get over yourself, Ramzy. Most of our players do take the high road. But you can't get every player to put a sock in it, so there will be a few who may say things to the media. Not worth crying over.
I would also add that Molk, who has since graduated and no longer answers to our team, coach, or media guys, didn't say anything about the OSU team--he just mentioned the former OSU center, in the context of trying to raise his draft stock. I don't think it was the classiest way to do it, but Molk is gonna Molk.
I don't think we have much of a problem, unless you want to talk about fans and Ramzy does NOT want to go there.
Perhaps. I went to the men's basketball game in Columbus this year, and I can't tell you how many times I heard, "yeah, you beat our second string." Most folks were okay - the comment I heard the most was "we're just glad the rivalry is back," but there was still a collection of inane comments...
Sorry but I don't care about the stench down south.
It's good to be hear OSU's bitterness is back. It means Michigan frightens them.
most of you are saying fuck ohio, which is a good thing. but half of you saying this will be rooting for these fuckwads tomorrow. that makes zero sense. we all know the type of fan fucknuts are, they are obnoxious, dumb, ugly, inbred robots whose best parts dribbled down their mothers thighs or throat. and yet a couple of posts want to say how civilized this rivalry should be. well fuck that. as hoke said:
that remedial state college in that town named for an italian that brought smallpox to the new world does not deserve any Meechigan fan's respect. that school has done nothing to deserve anything other than contempt and hatred. they fucking cheated for 10 years. their fans did not care how they won as long as they won. FUCK THEM.
"they are obnoxious, dumb, ugly, inbred robots"
As opposed to the restrained, enlightened, appealing tone of your post? (the irony... it burns).
Stay classier. Your points will thank you for it.
you took my imaginery points away... what am i to do?
It must suck that all of Ohio's recent success has a big asterisk beside it. It's threads like these from Ohioans that reminds the world that they don't have jobs and use all their time to spew vitriol our way. And then they spin it like it is we who are the degenerates.
Not may at UM feel the Fab Five years didn't happen. Those years meant somehtng when talking about how good UM basketball was in comparison to other teams. Yes OSU cheated but they also kicked our ass for most of the last decade. They were a much better team. We beat them when their program was collapsing so it doesn't even feel the same.
Yeah it's the best rivalry and you can talk shit all you want on the field but I say hold off in public until we have the edge over them for an extended period of time.
I am an OSU fan, and I love and respect this rivalry. I read this blog on occasion and usually find it to be filled with rational and smart sports fans. This thread, however, has been an eye-opener.
Sad to see the "class" and "respect" that Brady Hoke preaches has not reached his team's fans.
I love the good-natured trash talk, but you guys are foaming at the mouth with hate. That's fine, I guess. But if your recruits don't buy in to Hoke, and instead, buy in to the Fans' hate, it's going to be another loooong decade for UM fans.
Your post speaks for itself. You are a hipocritical idiot. Hoke would cringe at the stuff on this board.
Right, because the actions of some magically imputes to everyone else who roots for that team? I, of course, denounce anyone who acts like an idiot. For the very same reasons I denounce the stuff in that video I denounce the stuff on this thread. Your logic of two wrongs making a right is not only ignorant but it misses the entire point.
The more that we degrade this rivalry by acting like idiots (OSU and UM fans alike), then we will go from The Game to The Embarassment. Luckily Hoke and Meyer seem like classy guys who have already kicked out players in both teams that have broken team rules (Stonum for UM, Clarke and Berry for OSU).
But the point of the 11W article is that if the incoming recruits mimic the mongrel idiocy of the fans of the team (like Pipkins, for instance), then we are doing the rivalry a disservice.
Back to your corners.
Bucky: methinks you extrapolate too much from a couple of tweets from a 17- or 18-year-old kid, especially for a fan base that prides itself in the song "we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan." Regardless, welcome to the board; we don't get many opposing fans here who can complete coherent sentences. You are welcome here as long as you keep things civil. Oh... and, 40-34.
Wings: Knock it off. Trying to demonstrate that another fanbase is dickish by calling them fucktards is... not good. Your points return in two weeks.
What does the "F" in your "UFM" name mean?
I believe that's what they call Urban Meyer in shorthand. You can't really expect buckeyes to embrace calling their coach UM, so they put the F in the middle.
I also believe the F stands for what everyone thinks it stands for, if that does anything for your opinion.
Someone needs to post that Denard Robinson "U MAD BRO?" picture on that thread.
Let me get this straight...
Brady Hoke calling them "Ohio" is empty bravado, but Urb referring to Mich as "That School up North" is... what, the pinnacle of reverence?
Also, any fanbase that doesn't recognize the derpy derpness of "scUM" has no room to talk about class.
I've already given my opinion on trash talking. I get that there is going to be some trash talk on the field, or basketball court. But I still hold that it should be good natured.
I get that many Ohio fans are obscene jerks. But just because someone else is a foul mouthed jerk doesn't mean that Michigan fans need to go wallow in the gutter with Ohio fans.
And I'm not suggesting that Michigan fans need to be the effete, wine and brie and blazer crowd.
Personally, I like Brian's cutting sarcasm. I think he was the one who coined "cooler pooper," which is a great two word insult. It is derogatory, speaks to their (lack of) culture, it isn't overly crass, it is descriptive and evocative. "Pass the hymnals, cooler poopers" was a great one line sentence to mock the sanctimony of Tressel, as well as the behavior of fans.
I've never wanted to embed a video, but today's the day I wish I had learned how. Here's what I want to embed: the scene from the movie "Roxanne," with Steve Martin. He comes up with 20 self-mocking nose jokes (link.). You really should watch the clip: Martin is good natured, takes down the oaf, and the jerk is a great picture of an Ohio fan. In fact, he's even wearing scarlet and grey.
So here's a challenge: come up with 20 Ohio/Columbus insults that are creative, humorous, patronizing, insulting, intelligent and go beyond "Eff Ohio." Watch the clip if you need ideas.
Agree with your sentiments. Putdowns should have humor to them.
Here are some I have always liked, suitably modified:
You hear about the Buckeye who was SOOO obnoxious...
The other Buckeyes NOTICED?
Ohio likes to recruit ehir players big and dumb.
But, if they are dumb enough, they don't have to be all that big.
The OSU Medical School used to use white rats in their experiements, but now use trailer park Buckeye fans. They stated three reasons for doing so:
(1) There are more trailer park Buckeye fans in Ohio than rats, so they are easier to procure;
(2) They don't have a problem with the researchers sympathizing with the trailer park Buckeye fans like they did with the rats; and
(3) There are some things a rat finds too disgusting to do.
I am just North of c-bus and was on craigslist looking for a boat trailer.. You seriously can not make this stuff up...