can i have ciullo's fifth year?
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can i have ciullo's fifth year?
I'll trade him even-up for my U-M law degree. We can switch back after the season...
Question. What constitues academic all-big ten? A certain grade point average or do they look at the average across the division and set a bench mark for people who made it and who are below? I have no idea so I was just wondering.
I'd be more interested in knowing if certain degrees get you some leeway in GPA.
Yeah good point. Id be pissed with my Chemistry major and a 3.4 losing out to sports management with a 3.7.
It has to be lonely up there on your pedestal...
Did it turn your whole life upside down face?
I'm not even sure what that means. Then again, I wasn't a chemistry major.
you should consider being able to dress yourself in the morning without falling into walls a great success.
Neither was I, but apparently if you use it as an example ipso facto u r. Then in the process a narcissisitc prick. These are things ive learned today.
You did say "my chemistry major," so that leads one to believe that you did in fact major in chemistry. You must be able to understand the confusion.
what's wrong with sport management?
Whats the difference between a chemist and a chemical engineer?
I kid I kid. But that is a joke I hear all the time working with both chemists and chemical engineers.
Chemistry 08....I barely stayed in the 3 range....
How can the name the team when grades for this semester aren't in yet?
And as a chemistry major I really appreciate your avatar
Winners on and off the field.
They is smart. They studies hard.
It's even more impressive for Omameh given that he's from Columbus.
true, but he's not a product of the Columbus public school system.
Why does the Academic All Big Ten thing say he's a sociology major but his mgoblue profile says he's in the college of engineering?
EDIT: NVM some mgocreeper umich directory stalking says he's in LSA as a sociology major.
We already knew he was smart enough to leave Columbus.
Keep up the good work
more academic all-big tens than athletic all-big tens
Priorities mixed up?
This is the mindset that disgusts me about college sports today.
Keep in mind, he is from Lansing.
I'd love to hear your take on the state of the team, what you're hearing, etc.
If you'd like to wait until after the bowl game, I certainly understand. Anything you can bring to a rational discussion I'd love to read.
Perhaps start a new thread?
I will soon release some classified diplomatic cables between RRod and DB. Mary Sue and some guy named jajaja23 also make an appearance.
Out of a team that is over 100 players, I wish we had more than 8 people get recognized for academics. But congrats, nonetheless, it is well deserved.
number or something? Does anyone have any data on past years?
Its all relative, right? The kids at Michigan are competing with players at 10 other universities including some of the very best public schools in the country.
[Edit: I just read the below posts and find that OSU has more than twice the number at Michigan. Yikes.]
Congratulations to those who made it. Not sure how the Academic All Big Ten Team works, but 8 guys sounds like a lot. I think Rich Rod has done a good job stressing academics with this team, and I know it's one of the criteria DB is using to evaluate the coach.
The Big ten honored 190 academic all big ten football players, including Terrell Pryor.
OSU had 22
PSU had 19
MSU had 13.
I figured there would be about 50... 2 full offensive and defensive teams plus some special teams.
Guess we're not making the progress in the class room I was expecting and that's not good for the coach.
last year the team was at or near an all time high for cumulative GPA. If you actually believe there would be 50 you need to lay off of the sauce so early.
But when someone actually pressed Martin/RR for the GPA numbers last year, they couldn't provide them, or offer any comparison to the GPAs under Carr, so it's anyone's guess if that claim had any legitimacy.
I meant 50 total selectees across the Big 10... first team, second team, specials teams like they select the All-American teams. I didn't expect to have 50 UM players on the list, since that would be an insane percentage of the team.
They had to get a 3.0
A 3.0 at U of M is a hell of a lot harder to get than a 3.0 at OSU or MSU. (dunno about PSU)
It'd be one thing if most of the guys were in engineering, economics, etc. But..... they aren't
If it was engineering I'd be amazed. I worked my ass off for my ME 3.0 classes were curved to a strict 2.7
Even if they take only the "easiest" U of M classes I doubt the average in all of them is above a 3.0. And if these guys who have a full time job (football) can also do at least "average" in a U of M Classroom, that's really impressive
How do you know this? It's pretty tough to make generalizations about the grading practices of thousands of different instructors.
Let's be honest though - there are no bad academic schools in the Big Ten. This isn't a comparison between U-M and say, Eastern. Any football player able to maintain a 3.0 at a Big Ten school has pulled off a nice accomplishment. We'd like to see a few more on our end.
True, but the competition at Michigan (and, say, Northwestern) in the classroom is fierce. One of my favorite things about attending Michigan was being around so many amazing and talented people. That is definitely not the case at all the other schools in the Big Ten, at least not to the same extent. So, in my opinion, a 3.0 at, say, Michigan State. That is just my opinion but I think it has some merit if you talk to corporate talent recruiters or graduate school admissions people.
Despite that fierce competition, Northwestern produced 32 Academic All-Big Ten members to our eight. We can probably do better. Michigan is not so difficult that it's impossible to expect more than 10% of the football team to pull off a 3.0, especially given that 1) most of them are steered toward the Sports Management and Communications major and 2) they receive considerable academic assistance.
It also depends on the academic rigor of your institution. I'd like to see a list of teams and how many academic all big ten selections they have. I wonder if it would correlate to the US News rankings with Northwestern and Michigan having the fewest numbers.
NU had 32.
Purdue had 14.
The entire list can be found on the big ten's website.
Wow, I was wondering if there was a correlation but apparently there isn't. Still, congrats to the players the put in the effort off the field as well. Hard work always pays off sometime.
Yeah, the fact that less than 10% of the team is able to maintain a 3.0, or "B" average, is not the most ringing endorsement.... Still, congrats to those eight student/athletes that have.
Let's not forget that only sophomores, juniors and seniors are eligible to receive this distinction (and redshirts of all flavors). And we have oh-so-few seniors.
I'd still like to see more than 8 though.
Now evrybody will be like cheating off of him if their not to busy murdering and stealing.
What's the big deal? Everybody cheats off you, cheats off me, whatever.
"Spartans outnumber Wolverines on Academic All-Big Ten lists"
I saw that too. Just sad how much trash is treated as "reputable news" because of the source.
Back in my high school senior days, being a National Merit Scholarship finalist (not bragging; probably true of most UM students), I got mailings 2 or 3 times a week from MSU, bragging about how they have more National Merit Scholars than anyone. But that's because they give the scholarships out, apparently as readily as good grades to footballers. (No stats to compare the classes or grade requirements.) And those scholarship invites never indicated how much of a scholarship, by the way. If you're a finalist and somebody gives you money to go to their college, you're automatically a National Merit Scholar. (I never got a mailing from UofM, by the way. They don't need to advertise to that group of high schoolers.)
In the long run, this is a more valuable honor than being All Big Ten.
Very proud of these guys. Nice job Cam, swiching positions multiple times and still maintaing his grades. A true Michigan Man.
10th out of 11 (Illinois had 7).
but thankfully he is a R Soph on the field!!
8 seemed low to me when I read it, and seems to fly in the face of the past couple of years when the cumulative GPA for the team was the highest on record. Northwestern being high doesn't surprise me because that school always produces an inordinate amount of smart players, but to see schools like OSU and MSU pumping out far more academic "stars" even when all facts point to their student bodies not being of a similar caliber is distressing to me. Certainly much respect to the 8 young men recognized here, but man you kind of hoped it would be more.
8 does seem low but bear in mind that you have to play enough to win a letter and you can't be a true freshman. According to the roster, 29 out of 116 were not eligible because they were true freshmen. Not sure what proportion of the 87 played enough to win a letter.
If it's consistent with the Carr years, then there's no problem for RR.
If it represents a meaningful decline, then it certainly doesn't help RR's cause w/Brandon.
* I found the list for the 2007 Academic All-Big Ten awards:
UM - 10
MSU - 8
OSU - 24
Something doesn't smell right to me about the OSU number.
that Terrelle Pryor has been on the list two years running -- which I know from reading terrelle-pryor.org, what a great site!! -- that should tell you all you need to know about OSU's numbers.
... Majors arent excataly the toughest to get. Im not trying to knock the players, but when looking at the list alot of OSU players have "exploring" next to their major, i have no idea what that means, and since there is already an undecided catagory I have to assume its a major. No other big ten football players outside of OSU have this. They also have some players majoring in leisure studies, and excercise science.
"exploring" means cartography, you know, the study of mapping uncharted territory.
You give OSU too much credit. "Exploring" simply refers to wearing funny hats to class with mining headlights strapped to them. Each class is pretty much a day of dress-up, and for the final you have to walk around a darkened, unlocked closet and ultimately find your way out before the hour's up.
... I forgot about those vast uncharted lands throught the world we havent found yet. Im glad ohio state is preparing these kids to find them.
Wait a minute, so exercise science =/= engineering? But Myron Rolle majored in exercise science...
I'm pretty sure there's a class at OSU, taught by Jim Tressel, about, wait for it, football. I'm assuming they all get A's in that one...
EDIT: Yep, here you go (It's actually on coaching):
Not that many players take the class, and far fewer have gotten A's. I think only Jim Cordle and one other got an A.
Which ones are the serious academic majors? The only starters I see are Gordon and Omameh. OK, Fitzgerald started at the end of the year. So this gives us general studies, sociology and sport management respectively. The most impressive major on the list is McColgan's economics. He might be the number 1 FB on the depth chart, but he is hardly a starter. I fail to see 2 serious academic majors, let alone 2 starters in serious academic majors.
Is this gonna help our defense??