In effort to totally piss off Brian, Hoke announces Gardner "might" start if season started tomorrow
April 19th, 2014 at 12:56 AM ^
LOL, what? Here is a good rule of thumb for you, bro: if a statement is ambiguous as to whether or not it is racist, construe it so it is not. This isn't 1960. Nor is this an SEC board. This is a board of one of the most liberal universities in the USA. Try to give a fellow fan some credit, even if you disagree with his position.
The year when not even the President of the United States gives somebody the benefit of the doubt about racism if they happen to disagree with him.
And what's with the unwarranted jab at the SEC?
Unwarranted? You clearly haven't walked through an SEC tailgate.
and I've walked through Michigan's, about an equal number of both. Know what they have in common? 99% caucasion attendance and a concern about quarterbacks. Know what they didn't have in common? The historic % of black QBs...higher in the SEC than Michigan and it isn't even close.
We heard the same crap in 2009 about Forcier and Robinson. Forcier will be able to pick up the offense, he's got that QB breeding. Robinson will be good, he can run, but right now Tate will have to lead the team. The overt implication being that White Tate was more cerebral than Black Denard.
April 18th, 2014 at 11:51 PM ^
April 18th, 2014 at 11:49 PM ^
level in all people, then yes, white people would be included in this. It doesn't sound fuzzy, but I think it's accurate and those that can respond to this truth tend to do better in racial harmony than others.
Damn, you in the locker room? Hook me up with some VIP passes!
2. He deserved far more flak for last season but seemed he was like teflon and he had relatively none.
3. Morris definitely has a shot to unseat him by opening day.
Someone needs a Snickers.
Wow, no leadership in the locker room you say? Curious, have any quotes or examples? I'm just wondering because I'm wondering how you've been in the locker room enough to really comment on the leadership.
Don't expect anything...just typical of this board not knowing $*** about Michigan football.
April 18th, 2014 at 10:24 PM ^
Hoke is on the hot seat.
If Hoke goes w/ Shane and Mich underperforms, HE GONE.
April 19th, 2014 at 12:48 AM ^
What absolute crap. Nuss wants the QB to run even less? Umm, he'll run the QB as much as it seems like a good idea. Just as pretty much every offensive coordinator in the country would.
Borges said before the 2011 season that Denard would run "maybe five to ten times" a game. How did that work out?
While he's more than likely just coach-speaking, isnt it at least posible that the new QB coaching/possible change in offense has created at least some competition?
of the '98 and '99 seasons and how fans handled the Brady / Henson question, and that was following some pretty good football.
I need to go back and look ...
But the 98 line would have two RS So, one RS Jr, and two RS SRs.
Of Brady/Hensen, who arguably had more talent and who arguably made better decisions with the football?
Unless the last 15 years didn't actually happen.
Henson was more talented. I know that sounds crazy, but he had a stronger arm and was more athletic. Brady made better decisions, though.
Brady as a junior: Completed 61.1% of his passes for 202.8 yards per game. Threw 15 TD and 12 INT.
Gardner as a junior: Completed 60.3% of his passes for 246.7 yards per game. Threw 21 TD and 11 INT. Also rushed for 11 TD. With no running game and a porous offensive line.
You may not be a racist, but you're apparently incapable of accurately remembering the past and putting it in context with more recent events.
I'm sorry, but was I comparing Brady to Hensen or Brady to Gardner?
How was I not accurately recalling the past?
Think before you post.
Brady's play was mediocre at best as a junior. You are viewing him in light of what happened later (good senior season, great NFL career) while ignoring the much more productive and less mistake-prone season Gardner had because you seem to recall some poor choices he made and that bothered you.
Every quarterback makes mistakes. Especially when they have no running game to lean on and virtually no protection from their interior offensive line. The numbers indicate that Devin Gardner played incredibly well while dealing with those circumstance. Like, better than Tom Brady and a bunch of other Michigan quarterbacks.
You're bitching about a guy who performed fantastically well by objective historical standards and did so without the advantages many in his position previously enjoyed. And your solution is a guy we just saw look totally lost in his only game time. Only Braxton Miller had a higher QB rating in the conference than Gardner. But I bet you think he sucks too, despite all that pesky winning.
Unless Brady Hoke is a complete idiot, there is zero quarterback controversy here.
"Devin has proven he is a good quarterback."
Reader71, what if Shane proves he is a better-than-good quarterback in fall camp?
We have seen Shane and he is no Devin Gardner. Shane put up 6 points in the first 59 minutes against KSU--Devin put up 41 against OSU on a broken leg. Shane has a reputation for having a strong arm--he does not have a reputation for accuracy--certainly no more so than Devin. I just hope Shane is ready in 2015.
Do Shane and Devin have the same learning curve?
Do you evaluate potential investments solely on past performance?
April 18th, 2014 at 11:56 PM ^
Respond to everything with questions? Nice trick, that way you don't actually have to defend the ludicrous position you're taking.
Morris aint starting. DG performed minor miracles given the state of our offensive line and RB's blocking. The one data point we have on Morris showed the coaches had to severely restrict the offense for him. While he didn't do badly, he sure didn't light it up out there.
In short, I'd relax my position if I were you.
Gardner received quite a bit of criticism...completing more passes to the opposition than our own receivers. Not throwing the ball away. Taking 30 yard sacks. But by the end of the season he had cleaned up his act considerably and besides, there wasn't much of an alternative. Better the devil you know and all that.
Maybe Dave Brandon is getting Hoke to generate the maximum # of media articles.
Devin just got Hunter Lochmann'ed?
April 18th, 2014 at 11:57 PM ^
I don't care who you are, that's funny.
As much as I want Gardner to be the guy and lead this offense I have to agree with gremlin. devins a great person and has a ton of talent but he just makes terrible decisions with the football. And for anyone who wants to use the offensive line excuse look back at last years northwestern game and the second half of the iowa game. The o-line was solid in those games and we actually could run the ball but devin was just awful. Should have been picked off atleast 4 times against northwestern and it was a miracle we won the game. I admit he played his ass off against ohio state though and will always love him for that. Gardner will most likely start the season but would bet a lot of money it doesnt stay that way for long.