Or did I miss the sarcasm?
somehow we're only 124th
Or did I miss the sarcasm?
That post read outrageously racist to me. He had to couch all his criticisms in compliments so as to avoid all the old racist tropes.
Devin is intelligent, but doesn't make good decisions. Etc.
I might be too sensitive, but I've heard to much of this shit that I can't take it.
LOL, what? Here is a good rule of thumb for you, bro: if a statement is ambiguous as to whether or not it is racist, construe it so it is not. This isn't 1960. Nor is this an SEC board. This is a board of one of the most liberal universities in the USA. Try to give a fellow fan some credit, even if you disagree with his position.
Unwarranted? You clearly haven't walked through an SEC tailgate.
That is a neat story, except for the fact that one thing that Tate had going for him was his accuracy, while Denard's accuracy was his greatest weakness. The one thing that QBs can do that other positions do not is hurt defenses by getting the ball to playmakers in a position to make a play. For all of his weaknesses, I do miss Tate's accuracy on short and intermediate throws. I recall him being able to make throws that would be in just the right position to allow the receiver to catch the ball at full speed and get north and south as soon as possible. Whether we are talking about Denard, Bellomy, Devin, or Shane, I am getting tired of Michigan QBs alternating between overthrowing receivers and making the tackle on their own receiver by throwing the ball into the dirt. While I am sure that the porous O-line hasn't helped matters, I don't think that either Devin or Shane is anywhere near a pinpoint passer at this point.
Cuz we can't go give white people the benefit of the doubt?
level in all people, then yes, white people would be included in this. It doesn't sound fuzzy, but I think it's accurate and those that can respond to this truth tend to do better in racial harmony than others.
Or maybe he said Devin is intelligent because he is in graduate school and that he makes terrible decisions because he did repeatedly. There was nothing remotely racist about that post.
Yeah, after rereading it later in the day, I probably over-reacted. I'm just so sick of it, maybe I'm seeing boogeymen. Sorry to the board.
Damn, you in the locker room? Hook me up with some VIP passes!
Don't worry, I get it. Like the great satirist Jonathan Swift, many people may be made with your deadpan delivery because they think you are serious. You use ridiculous logical jumps and tired arguments to show how silly the point you are actually 'arguing' is. But don't worry, I understand some good satire. Kudos to you good sir.
1....Of course he should be the default starter. Last game he played he almost beat OSU.
2. He deserved far more flak for last season but seemed he was like teflon and he had relatively none.
3. Morris definitely has a shot to unseat him by opening day.
Someone needs a Snickers.
Wow, no leadership in the locker room you say? Curious, have any quotes or examples? I'm just wondering because I'm wondering how you've been in the locker room enough to really comment on the leadership.
Don't expect anything...just typical of this board not knowing $*** about Michigan football.
Hoke is on the hot seat.
If Hoke goes w/ Shane and Mich underperforms, HE GONE.
While he's more than likely just coach-speaking, isnt it at least posible that the new QB coaching/possible change in offense has created at least some competition?
Only if Shane Morris is the next Peyton Manning, a prodigious once-in-a-generation talent.
Devin Gardner has proven that he is a good quarterback. New system or not, good quarterbacks are a commodity. They aren't just discarded because of "fit", or else Hoke and Borges would have let Denard transfer.
The only reason this debate exists is because Michigan had a bad record. For some reason, football fans love to blame/credit the quarterback for losses/wins, no matter what his actual production is like. In the age of Sabermetrics, I can't believe how stupid we are about this issue.
I need to go back and look ...
Of Brady/Hensen, who arguably had more talent and who arguably made better decisions with the football?
Unless the last 15 years didn't actually happen.
Henson was more talented. I know that sounds crazy, but he had a stronger arm and was more athletic. Brady made better decisions, though.
But part of having talent is having the ability to access those attributes and skills on a consistent basis. Which is why Drew Henson has started one NFL game.
Brady as a junior: Completed 61.1% of his passes for 202.8 yards per game. Threw 15 TD and 12 INT.
Gardner as a junior: Completed 60.3% of his passes for 246.7 yards per game. Threw 21 TD and 11 INT. Also rushed for 11 TD. With no running game and a porous offensive line.
You may not be a racist, but you're apparently incapable of accurately remembering the past and putting it in context with more recent events.
I'm sorry, but was I comparing Brady to Hensen or Brady to Gardner?
How was I not accurately recalling the past?
Think before you post.
Brady's play was mediocre at best as a junior. You are viewing him in light of what happened later (good senior season, great NFL career) while ignoring the much more productive and less mistake-prone season Gardner had because you seem to recall some poor choices he made and that bothered you.
Every quarterback makes mistakes. Especially when they have no running game to lean on and virtually no protection from their interior offensive line. The numbers indicate that Devin Gardner played incredibly well while dealing with those circumstance. Like, better than Tom Brady and a bunch of other Michigan quarterbacks.
You're bitching about a guy who performed fantastically well by objective historical standards and did so without the advantages many in his position previously enjoyed. And your solution is a guy we just saw look totally lost in his only game time. Only Braxton Miller had a higher QB rating in the conference than Gardner. But I bet you think he sucks too, despite all that pesky winning.
Unless Brady Hoke is a complete idiot, there is zero quarterback controversy here.
"Devin has proven he is a good quarterback."
Reader71, what if Shane proves he is a better-than-good quarterback in fall camp?
We have seen Shane and he is no Devin Gardner. Shane put up 6 points in the first 59 minutes against KSU--Devin put up 41 against OSU on a broken leg. Shane has a reputation for having a strong arm--he does not have a reputation for accuracy--certainly no more so than Devin. I just hope Shane is ready in 2015.
Do Shane and Devin have the same learning curve?
Do you evaluate potential investments solely on past performance?
Respond to everything with questions? Nice trick, that way you don't actually have to defend the ludicrous position you're taking.
Morris aint starting. DG performed minor miracles given the state of our offensive line and RB's blocking. The one data point we have on Morris showed the coaches had to severely restrict the offense for him. While he didn't do badly, he sure didn't light it up out there.
In short, I'd relax my position if I were you.
Yet Gardner got incredibly little criticism here. Was it Borges or OL? Maybe.
. Read it again.
Maybe Dave Brandon is getting Hoke to generate the maximum # of media articles.
Devin just got Hunter Lochmann'ed?
I don't care who you are, that's funny.
I'm more disappointed that Morris hasn't passed him yet.
As much as I want Gardner to be the guy and lead this offense I have to agree with gremlin. devins a great person and has a ton of talent but he just makes terrible decisions with the football. And for anyone who wants to use the offensive line excuse look back at last years northwestern game and the second half of the iowa game. The o-line was solid in those games and we actually could run the ball but devin was just awful. Should have been picked off atleast 4 times against northwestern and it was a miracle we won the game. I admit he played his ass off against ohio state though and will always love him for that. Gardner will most likely start the season but would bet a lot of money it doesnt stay that way for long.
Or the Penn St game
Because of this statement, Reader71 now thinks you are racist.
I just had a discussion the other day with a guy who insisted Shane made better decisions and was more accurate with the ball. This despite the fact that Shane has one start, had to make very few decisions due to the extremely pared-down offense in said game, and showed no great accuracy. In fact, the knock on him in high school was lack of great accuracy. I jumped to a conclusion I probably shouldn't have, but it was informed by discussions like that one that are very clearly race-related.
This is certainly one of the more reasonable anti-Gardner posts. Do I believe Gardner will and SHOULD be the starter? Absolutely. I believe he's earned it and nothing I have seen from Morris makes me think he gives Michigan a better chance to win.
Having said that, if people really believe that Gardner has been a perfect quarterback, please think back to Akron, Penn State, and UConn. If Gardner minimizes turnovers, those should all be easy wins. Instead, Michigan went 2-1 and both wins were nailbiters. More than Gardner impacted those games, but we would all be lying if we honestly believe he didn't have a lot to do with those struggles.
Like I said, believe Gardner is the better option, but at least this does point out that Gardner was far from perfect, which I think throws a lot of people off. Still, don't believe there is a controversy.
... My favorite part of this piece was the video at the bottom of the article in which the sports anchor claimed that Gardner's pick at the opening of the spring game generated the present "quarterback controversy."
*Insert favorite iteration of the facepalm meme.*
Taking one right out of the old man's playbook.
It's on page two, right after "The Transfer Papers Routine."
Look at those confusing logos in the background. Where's the brand?
Is anyone else still hoping Shane gets reshirted somehow this year?
Yes, there is a 5th year senior quarterback and a redshirt sophomore backup. I really wish he would be. The only reason I would want him to come off red shirt is if Gardner got injured long term.
I have been begging for this.
Wait, what does this have to do with basketball?
Gotta earn them wings!