Effectiveness of Denard Jet/Fritz Packages

Submitted by somewittyname on

I wanted to actually see how successful our two-QB formations had been relative to the average yards per play in each game they've been used. A cursory look and this is what I found:

Minnesota

Fritz: 7.0 ypp vs. 7.9 ypp for the game

Northwestern

Denard Jet: 5 ypp vs. 6.9 ypp for the game

MSU

Denard Jet: 9.3 ypp vs. 3.7 ypp for the game

So in general, it actually hasn't actually been as successful as I thought. Although, today the packages were very successful aside from the INT.

Wolverine0056

October 29th, 2011 at 4:30 PM ^

I liked the fact that they got Smith more involved with it. It was getting a bit obvious giving the ball to Denard every time. It works but Devin needs to be able to throw out of that set to make it more effective. Either way it was nice to see Fitz tear it up.

Swazi

October 29th, 2011 at 7:58 PM ^

Agreed.  They've pretty much done all of the running dynamics they can (I think Fitz.Smith, DRob AND Gardner have all run it out of this formation).  And it seems the only guy that's thrown it is Smith today and against Minnesota.  Need to do some uber PA and let Devin chuck it...hopefully to a man he sees downfield that's open.

SysMark

October 29th, 2011 at 4:32 PM ^

It isn't always the success of those specific plays that matters...sometimes the intent is to get the defense thinking and open up other things

somewittyname

October 29th, 2011 at 4:41 PM ^

I made the post thinking I would show that it easily averaged more than the average play in each game, and we could put to bed any discussion on how effective it was. As it turned out, I was slightly surprised to see that the averages were a bit lower for the first two games. Regardless, I think the packages are very effective.

Charlie Chunk

October 29th, 2011 at 4:36 PM ^

Excellent game by Denard.  Threw some nice passes and Toussaint was quick and elusive.  A great game coming off a loss.  We're back on track.

I love the bubble screen against the grain.  It always seems to get big yards.

Go Blue!

neoavatara

October 29th, 2011 at 4:38 PM ^

I don't think the 2 QB sets are fooling anyone.  I will raise one possibility...Borges could have special packages with that set that he is not showing yet, and keeping for bigger games down the road.  But if this is all we have, probably better not to use it too much.  

Wolverine0056

October 29th, 2011 at 4:42 PM ^

My biggest problem with it right now is the lack of passing out of it. Whether Borges has shown it all or not Devin needs to throw to open it all up even more. If Borges is waiting, fine, but Devin needs to throw to keep the defense on its heels.

freernnur5

October 29th, 2011 at 4:44 PM ^

I think another reason the system might be being used is that they think Devin at some point will surpass Denard as the starting QB so they want to see where they could move Denard to and have him be effective in that situation.

cjffemt

October 29th, 2011 at 4:53 PM ^

I have to think you are on to something. I know the coaches keep saying Denard is the man, but Devin is a much better fit to run the Pro-style set. I would like to see Denard and Devin lineed up next to one another in the backfield, have a predetermined snap and let either one makes some plays. I couldn't imagine what a DC would be thinking not knowing which QB is going to get the ball and the potential options out of the set.

michWolves2580

October 29th, 2011 at 4:50 PM ^

When teams run the ball alot (like us), its very common to run to the field side (obviously, more room and space to make people mis) a very common counter to this is to slant your d line to the boundary, eat up the lineman and have linebackers fast flow to the field.

If the defense even thinks that a play may be a jet sweep to Denard, they cant slant there line because denard would burn them. This formation stuff is because Denard is such a good runner it forces the defense to play squared up and honest because we've shown we can go to any direction out of that formation (i.e. the succesfull counter pitch plays off that).

Its important to see the effectiveness in that formation is scaring the hell out of the opposing DC and forcing him to play a vanilla game. 

Sac Fly

October 29th, 2011 at 5:09 PM ^

Maybe it's just me but it seems like whenever Denard isn't getting the ball in these packages they work better. Kind of like the Devin Hester wildcat, teams keyed in on him because they knew he was getting the ball. When the defense keys in on Denard and he's the decoy it opens huge holes for everyone else.

Farnn

October 29th, 2011 at 5:11 PM ^

My take after todays game is that the main point of Gardner at QB is to do what the team has struggled with since last year; get succesful carries out of the other RBs. It gets rid of 8 men in the box.

Fhshockey112002

October 29th, 2011 at 5:36 PM ^

Again this week I will ask the question, where did the diamond formation go?  I think when it comes to the 2 QB sets was the most dynamic.  

Some issues with the Jet screen is it let's the DE know when you are snapping the ball (when Denard reaches the OT) and let's them jump the snap and get up field.  This happened on the one big loss we had on the Jet Screen to Denard.  Also, it all but eliminates a pass, unless you run a boot out the back (yet to be seen) or have Denard throw on the run (been very inaccurate).

 

 

EnoughAlready

October 29th, 2011 at 6:44 PM ^

First..."our"?  You're part of the team?

Second: the offense gained over 500 yards today, over 300 on the ground.  The TB gained 170 yards.  They scored 6 times, 4 TDs and 2 FGs.  I think it's the 4th game they've gained over 500 yards.  

That sounds pretty solid.  You must've been joking, right?

Beavercreek Blue

October 29th, 2011 at 7:59 PM ^

I'm pretty sure Borges is setting up some plays for Nebraska and Ohio! Let's be honest they can not line up and play smash mouth football with half the teams in the BG10 this year. I believe that will change within the next 2 years though. We are going to need some trick plays to have a chance to win the last 2 games and the 2 QB sets are setting those up. My prediction is a double pass or a fade route to Denard if they need it later. The coaches are not just trying to upset the fans. Denard in the spread option has not fared so well against a good defense for 4 quarters this year or last. It has had moments and halfs but not enough to beat a good defense yet?

denardogasm

October 29th, 2011 at 8:52 PM ^

I actually really didn't like the formation in previous games, but today it seemed like they had it a lot more polished and it was clearly effective.  I think the receivers need to have better routes to get more open and open up a pass option out of it.  They seemed to just run downfield without any urgency and it was an easy cover for the DBs. They're clearly going to be in one on one because of all the confusion and should be able to get wide open.  I think by the end of the season the play will be automatic yards. The part of Borges's playcalling I do have a problem with is his 3rd/4th and inches plays.  With this team the shortest distance between two points is not straight up the middle but straight to the sideline with Denard.  Getting the edge enough to gain a yard is like shooting fish in a barrel for him.  It's unorthodox but fool proof in my opinion.  That would be my 4th and short play every time.

Mr. Yost

October 29th, 2011 at 9:03 PM ^

I hate the Denard Jet...love the Frtiz package.

 

I mean if you want to use the Jet once or twice, that's fine. But I feel like that's our exclusive package now with Devin in the game.