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(ED:LSA) Kansas crushed by Baylor 81-58

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(ED:LSA) Kansas crushed by Baylor 81-58

2 minutes left, and baylor is up 20+. #1 seed back on the line with a win tomorrow?

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:06 PM | This will be a fun year for (Score:5 Normal)
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This will be a fun year for filling out tournament brackets. I think we'll see a lot of Duke and Indiana in people's Final Four predictions, but beyond that there really should be a lot of variation. Even those two feel very beatable.

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March 9th, 2013 at 10:20 PM | Duke looking pretty impressive in the early (Score:2 Normal)
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going tonight, even if Miami has taken the regular season ACC title.

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:06 PM | Anytime, Anywhere (Score:5 Normal)
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Great reminder that any team, any where can go down.  (Perhaps we should have kept that fixed in mind after the admittedly disappointing (sigh) Penn State team.)  Still some season to go with the tourneys and a #1 is definitely in play.

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:06 PM | win against Indiana and (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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win against Indiana and win the BTT and get some help from UNC tonight and the # 1 overall seed might be on the table.  Who would have thought that when Michigan lost to Penn State.

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:09 PM | Gonzaga probably would have (Score:4 Normal)
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Gonzaga probably would have to lose as well. 

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:21 PM | Gonzaga losing before the (Score:1)
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Gonzaga losing before the tournament would be a huge upset even in this season of upsets - I don't think it's likely. We have to hope for a Boise State kind of scenario where they get passed as other teams get quality wins. They would anyway be in the West bracket and would not hurt our chances at getting the Midwest even if they are ahead of us - just need to stay ahead of Indiana/ Kansas and maybe State.

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:46 PM | I was talking specifically (Score:3 Normal)
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I was talking specifically abou the overall #1 seed. I agree that it is unlikely Gonzaga loses. I really only think the only way they lose the overall 1 is if they lose or if Duke/Indiana wins out and then wins their tourney. Otherwise I think the voters will see that they only have two loses and say "Oh wow! They must be freaking amazing!"

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:09 PM | Love & hate relationship with brackets (Score:3 Normal)
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You love the surprises, but you hate them all the same because so much is up in the air.  Especially this year, no one is unbeatable & so we should have a lot of surprises.

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:11 PM | New Mexico (Score:5 Normal)
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New Mexico just lost too, so that's another potential top 2 seed losing.

Practice makes perfect. Unless you're the Buckeyes. Then you have to cheat.

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:13 PM | Hypothetically (Score:3 Normal)
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If we were to beat Indiana tomorrow and then again in the BTT, wouldn't we almost have to have a higher seed than them?

I do it for my love of the Streets

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:38 PM | Yes. Easily. Question is, if (Score:1)
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Yes. Easily. Question is, if we beat Indiana tomorrow and both of us lose early in the BTT then who gets the #1?

I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:46 PM | Probably whoever had the (Score:3 Normal)
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Probably whoever had the tougher schedule, whoever had the "better" wins.

It's been a lot. Its been a roller coaster that for some reason seemed like it would never get good. But you know what? We kept fighting. It's like that old saying goes, "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions." -David Molk

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:15 PM | This was a game I thought (Score:1)
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This was a game I thought Kansas would have a tough time winning - they have been shaky on the road and have had more than a couple shaky wins in which they scraped by through good coaching/ questionable officiating. Baylor was desperate and got the big win!

We win tomorrow and we are almost guaranteed a 2 seed. Win 3 games in total (tomorrow + btt) and we will likely have a 1 seed.

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:18 PM | Not only did they lose but (Score:1)
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Not only did they lose but they got beat down by 23 points to a team that is on the bubble

I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:23 PM | Shall this be the evening (Score:2 Normal)
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Shall this be the evening B-ball thread??  I actaully picked Baylor 3's over KU's winning margin for Streak for Cash, not thinking Baylor would come out and beat that a**.  The win from earlier in the year became more impressive as the year progressed, we beat the co-Big 12 Champ.

Duke - UNC game without a title on the line is like Prince without a pickup basketball game agaisnt Charlie Murphy, "This bores me..".

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:22 PM | Florida lost too. (Score:2 Normal)
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Not that they appeared to be in line for a 1-seed.  But it never hurts.  This year has been crazy.

"He has no idea that Charles Woodson can jump fifteen feet in the air, come down acrobatically, and get his foot inside this football field.  Folks, you can watch football a long, long time before you see another play like that."

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:25 PM | Glaring Stat... (Score:2)
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I changed the title to reflect the final outcome - hopefully the OP does not mind. 

The glaring stat - Kansas did not shoot like Kansas. Indeed, their effective FG% was 42.9% compared to Baylor's 63.5%, and add this to Kansas having more turnovers and Baylor playing some spirited defense, and there it is. I believe that was the last Big 12 regular season game for both Kansas State and Kansas today, and as I did the math right, that makes them both 14-4 in their conference. 

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:32 PM | I'm not saying Michigan wins (Score:5 Normal)
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I'm not saying Michigan wins it all or even goes to the Final Four but with no dominant teams, why not us? There is no team in the country we can't beat.

Lest we forget, we are 20-0 in Home/Neutral court games this year. Our struggles have been on the road in the toughest conference in America with one of the youngest teams in the country.

On a neutral court the best and most talented team with great guard play should win. Yes, we could bow out early but we could easily make a deep run.

Edit: Oh and we have the best player in the country at the most important position (PG)

I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:57 PM | There's also no team in the (Score:2 Normal)
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There's also no team in the country we can't lose to. At least in the tournament. After 20+ years of watching Michigan, I can guarantee 1 thing: bring your Tums for the tourney. You'll scream, cry, and elate all at once.

In Hoke we trust...

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March 9th, 2013 at 10:07 PM | Yup but you could say that (Score:3 Normal)
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Yup but you could say that about any team. TCU-Kansas? Difference with Michigan is that we have all the talent in the world, we're just young and have struggled in raucous away environments. There are no more road games

I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

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March 9th, 2013 at 11:33 PM | And Kansas doesn't??? Come on (Score:0 Offtopic)
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And Kansas doesn't??? Come on now, we have no more talent than they do.

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March 9th, 2013 at 11:31 PM | I'd also argue that we'd have (Score:2 Normal)
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I'd also argue that we'd have much more fan support wherever we go, making the neutral site less neutral, in the good way.

CoE Class of 2007

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:27 PM | maybe its sad but I only watched this game because (Score:4 Normal)
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maybe its sad but I only watched this game because I'm a redskins fan and I wanted to see hoe RG3 was walking and jumping out of his seat.

Vice.com

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:29 PM | Pretty gay (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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Bro

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March 9th, 2013 at 10:49 PM | my statement or my avitar? (Score:2)
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my statement or my avitar?

Vice.com

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March 10th, 2013 at 12:38 AM | I wish we could negbomb you (Score:5 Normal)
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I wish we could negbomb you for more than just -1

HAIL.

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:28 PM | Yep.  Win tomorrow and we are (Score:2 Normal)
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Yep.  Win tomorrow and we are almost certainly a 1 seed.

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March 9th, 2013 at 10:22 PM | That loss to Penn St is gonna (Score:-1 Offtopic)
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That loss to Penn St is gonna hurt us more than you think

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March 9th, 2013 at 11:04 PM | We're not the only top ten (Score:4 Normal)
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We're not the only top ten team who has that kind of horrible loss on our resume.

Kansas lost to TCU who is currently 10-21. 

Georgetown lost to South Florida who is currently 13-17

Miami lost to Wake Forest who is 13-17.  They also have losses to Indiana State and Florida-Gulf Coast. 

If we're going to be hurt, I guess those teams will be too. 

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:49 PM | Correct me if I'm wrong but (Score:3 Normal)
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Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't we been in the Top 5 all year except for 2 separate weeks?

I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

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March 9th, 2013 at 10:04 PM | Correct Indeed.... (Score:4 Normal)
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This is the case for both polls, AP and Coaches.

The most current poll had us at #7  and #8 in the AP and Coaches' poll respectively.

The week of February 18th, we were #7 in both polls.

All other weeks, we have indeed been at least #5 in both. We've actually been #2 in various weeks more than any other rank. 

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March 9th, 2013 at 10:13 PM | So why is everyone on here so (Score:5 Normal)
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So why is everyone on here so confident we'll lose early in the tourney?

Yeah weve had 5 losses in conference on the road but this isn't football. It happens to everyone in basketball. Maybe because we haven't been in this position in 20+ years and our fanbase doesn't understand college basketball very well?

I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

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March 9th, 2013 at 10:44 PM | While I'm not one of those (Score:4 Normal)
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While I'm not one of those people, I think most are worried about our defense when we run into a mid level team that suddenly gets hot.

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March 9th, 2013 at 10:54 PM | I agree with that. I just (Score:3 Normal)
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I agree with that. I just think teams need to worry about us if we get hot.

Once we get out of conference play everything is going to open up. My only real concern is if our guys are too exhausted from B1G play

I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

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March 9th, 2013 at 10:57 PM | exactly (Score:1)
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remember this article? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130118/college-basketball-early-warnings/index.html

and that was back when our defensive ranking was slightly better. we didn't get any better over the course of the year.

we can obviously still make a deep run in the tourney, especially this year. but our defensive woes are a huge red flag in actually expecting this to happen.

I do it for my love of the Streets

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March 9th, 2013 at 11:07 PM | I'm beginning to see how (Score:5 Normal)
jmblue
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I'm beginning to see how UMHoops got tired of you.

 

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March 9th, 2013 at 11:37 PM | Didn't we start the year (Score:1)
marti221
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Didn't we start the year ranked 6th?

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:59 PM | power play!!! (Score:2 Normal)
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nvm

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March 9th, 2013 at 9:59 PM | lol wrong thread (Score:2 Normal)
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delete

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March 9th, 2013 at 10:11 PM | Carolina playing some quality (Score:2)
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Carolina playing some quality basketball down 12-0

Colors That Float

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March 9th, 2013 at 10:11 PM | Oregon and Marquette (Score:1)
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both lost on the road to "bottom" teams.



Everyone does it, so it must be right!

 

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March 9th, 2013 at 10:16 PM | Damn just sat down to watch (Score:1)
B-Nut-GoBlue
Joined: 09/30/2011
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Damn just sat down to watch and I see Duke must be strokin', 14-1 at the first tv timeout...

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March 9th, 2013 at 10:23 PM | 26-9 now.  Duke can't miss.  (Score:2)
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26-9 now.  Duke can't miss. 

Go Blue!  Always!

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March 9th, 2013 at 10:18 PM | I think we'll make the elite (Score:1)
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I think we'll make the elite 8 at least.

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March 9th, 2013 at 10:31 PM | Gonzaga losing. (Score:2 Normal)
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Gonzaga losing.

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March 9th, 2013 at 10:48 PM | Does it really make sense to (Score:4 Normal)
snarling wolverine
Joined: 12/14/2011
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Does it really make sense to hold for the last shot of the half when you're down 18 points?

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March 9th, 2013 at 11:01 PM | As long as you have an (Score:2 Normal)
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As long as you have an agreement with the opponents coach that he won't hold it for a last shot after you shoot.

I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

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March 9th, 2013 at 11:11 PM | You could try fouling on (Score:2 Normal)
jmblue
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You could try fouling on purpose at the end there, if they have a bad FT shooter.  If you put a crappy FT shooter at the line and he misses the front end, you could end the half on a little 4-0 or 5-0 spurt.

 

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March 9th, 2013 at 11:22 PM | I'm serious.  Why not go for (Score:2)
snarling wolverine
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I'm serious.  Why not go for a quick shot and then put on some fullcourt pressure?  You might be able to force a turnover or a rushed shot.  Or as noted above, you could foul.  There's no rule that you can only deliberately foul in the second half.

Dribbling out 30 seconds seems like a pretty foolish strategy when you're down that many possessions.  You want to lengthen the game there, and squeeze as many possessions as you can.  (Not to mention that, in general, holding for the last shot seems to rarely ever result in points.)

 

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March 9th, 2013 at 11:01 PM | We beat MSU and Purdue who (Score:3 Normal)
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We beat MSU and Purdue who scored 89 points against Minnesota today.  I think we're playing well at the moment.

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