Early Games Open Thread
Why do we root for Southern Miss?
If any teams currently slotted for a BCS lose (Houston) that opens up more slots. Almost had a heart attack last night picturing UCLA taking our spot.
Reggie Bush would like to apologize for the game last night.
If Houston loses does that give a BCS berth to Boise or another non-aq school?
No. A non aq can only make it if they are top 14 AND conference champions. So, TCU would only make it if they break the top 14, but if that much happens Michigan would be safely in the top 14 too
That's the rule to autobid, Boise could still be selected as an at-large if they stay in the top-fourteen.
No Bowl in their right mind is picking Boise at large over Michigan. We are rooting against houston because it has the potential to open up another at large spot (to 3 total), and houston could actually drop below michigan in the polls, as their computer ranking is pretty weak right now
I realize that, but if Houston loses that puts us, Stanford and...? TCU if they can get into the top sixteen, but other than that, you can't take an SEC team and Oklahoma probably has three losses after today. Boise very well could be a better draw than the ACCCG loser.
Edit: It would have to be VT, and I kind of doubt they get an at-large. Kansas State is the other option, and neither seem like clear cut favorites over Boise.
TCU only has to get to 16. It's possible for them to get to 16 and Michigan not to get to 14, but it's unlikely.
Who the hell knows anymore...
Michigan isn't going to the Rose Bowl no matter who wins. We'd go to the Sugar Bowl.
Yeah but if UCLA won Oregon would still go to a BCS game over Michigan. A UCLA win would have meant two BCS spots for PAC 12.
Oregon probably would have gotten shut out if they lost. Stanford is in the top 4, which makes them an atuo-bid and UCLA would have gotten another auto-bid as the PAC-12 champ. There are only a couple really unlikely scenarios that allow three teams from one conference in and neither would happen here.
A UCLA win would've been helpful (even if unrealistic)- UCLA would've just taken Oregon's place in the Rose Bowl and Oregon almost certainly would have slipped down behind Michigan in the polls.
Do what you need to do. College Football is better when Michigan is in a big-time bowl game and relevant. Helping us get there doesn't only help you, it helps the entirety of college football. Big-time bowl games without Michigan is like an Italian Christmas without pasta. Everyone's disappointed except for the creepy little brother in the corner eating his own buggers, complaining that the pasta is from Walmart, bitter because everyone loves the pasta so much.
Was he a Spartan fan perchance?
And just what is wrong with liking the pasta anyway? I bet the creepy little brother bitches that the people who like the pasta don't even come from Italy.
Try your best against the Broncos!
VA tech over Clemson
That the ACC gets a second bid regardless of that game's outcome. Though better to be safe than sorry.
According to most experts, all we really need, is for Georgia to lose to LSU, and we're pretty much a lock. You have to remember, as long as you crack the top 14, the bowls are taking you if you travel well, and get solid ratings.
The Oklahoma teams, Baylor, and Stanford are bad matchups for Michigan. The secondary still isn't where it needs to be. That said, K-State, VA Tech, Clemson, or any Big East team are really favorable. Houston seems like a pretty neutral matchup to me.
Fortunately, the selection order helps Michigan avoid the bad matchups.
What about TCU? I believe, if Houston loses, that is who some pundits are predicting we'll play in the Sugar.
TCU is at #18 right now. Boise will be an automatic qualifier if Houston loses.
Boise will not be an automatic qualifier, because they are not conference champions. Only a conference champion can qualify for the BCS autobid reserved for a team from a non-BCS conference.
Are you sure? If Houston loses and TCU is in the top 16, I think they'll get an automatic bid as an at-large...
From the BCS: "The highest-rated champion of a non-AQ conference if it either ranks in the top 12 or is ranked in the top 16 and also ranked ahead of one of the champions of an AQ conference." So if Houston loses and TCU ends up in the top 16, then TCU will get the non-AQ conference automatic spot as the highest-rated conference champions.
The question, I guess, is whether TCU can move up from #18 to #16.
Yeah, you're right. I forgot Boise wasn't going to win their conference.
This is how a team would automatically qualify. Couldnt a team like Boise still be given an at large? That language doesnt seem to preclude that from happening.
Its probably not gonna matter. Houston should roll. Especially since i took SoMiss, lol
Yes, Boise State could get an at large bid, as long as they are in the top 14 (they are #7 now). I don't know what bowl director in his right mind would invite Boise State over Michigan or Oklahoma/Oklahoma State or Stanford, but I guess stranger things have happened.
I'm thinking if Houston loses.......a possible Boise to Sugar with the very last pick in this selection process
Boise vs MICH
Trying to figure out which team or teams benefit the most with a Houston loss. Boise seems in position to grab the last at large after the second SEC, Big 10 and Pac-12 teams get theirs
Or are you thinking the loser even of Bedlam would get picked? Okie State I think would. But maybe not the Sooner with three losses.
If you are the Sugar Bowl, and you can choose Oklahoma or Boise State, which one do you pick? Which one fills the seats, fills the New Orleans restaurants and hotels, gets the TV ratings? The answer seems pretty obvious to me. The Sugar Bowl won't care if Boise is #6 and Oklahoma is #13.
I just don't see any chance at all that Boise State gets picked for a BCS bowl game this year.
Boise does all that too at this point. I just wanted to confirm they were eligible
The Sugar Bowl seems to have a much better ability to create a sexier matchup if Houston gets knocked out of the equation. Any matchup pulled from the trio of Oklahoma, MICH and Boise would be a sell out and drive more than enough attention and eyeballs to the TV
how do you think we'd match up against, say, Georgia, if we don't go BCS? I think we match up well with all but the most elite vertical teams. Then again I don't think we'd score a ton of points on LSU or Bama, either, but we could probably hold them to 2 offensive scores (and a few defensive/return, probably).
Aaron Murray is the best quarterback in the SEC and is coming into his own. I think it would probably be a pretty good game.
LSU and 'Bama are on a different level from Michigan right now. They're known for their defenses, but they are also #13 and #16 respectively in scoring offense (largely due to their awesome defenses, but still). I don't like the idea of a rematch, but I've seen all the best teams play a couple of games, and those two are a lot better than everyone else.
That has been rehashed a million times. Would you rather lose close to a team like UGA while playing a heck of a game, or win vs. Houston and have everyone still question whether Michigan is "back?" While BCS would be great, and I'm hoping for it, I really want a yardstick to see exactly how far we've come. I don't think Houston provides that.
Personally, Georgia had a really soft schedule. They lost to South Carolina and Boise and haven't beaten a team that's currently in the Top 25. Assuming they lose to LSU, they'll be around #20. If Michigan loses to them, that looks like a loss to a meh SEC team. Same thing with a loss to Arkansas.
No one knows (or will know) how good Houston actually is. However, they're ranked in the top-10 and the Sugar Bowl would be the only game on TV during that hypothetical game.
I don't know if there's an upside to losing (close or otherwise) in either scenario, but winning in the Sugar Bowl seems better to me--if nothing else because recruits will think it's awesome.
I think you are presenting a false dichotomy here. Georgia and Houston are both good but flawed teams, and a bowl win over Georgia would not be any more impressive than a bowl win over an undefeated Houston.
I want a win over Houston in the Sugar Bowl.
It sends a clear unambiguous message to the nation and to recruits that Michigan is back. Keeps the momentum going, and takes a little attention away from the Urban Meyer hire over-hype.
We'll get our "yardstick" game soon enough, next year against Alabama.
I am currently on the Wolverine heading to Chicago. I think I am going to go to the Science and Industry Museum. So go whoever helps Michigan find the C&H.
They're both premium exhibits, but the Smart Home and U505 are both worth getting into, IMO.
If you have never been in the U-boat, fergodsake, you MUST go. Mind-blowing how small and cramped it is... and that you're actually INSIDE an ACTUAL German U-boat from WW2.
And when you get out, you'll have the sudden taste for weinershnitzel. Mmm!
When I was a little kid they let me push the button to start the engines. It was awesome.
If you go, keep this in mind as you walk around the inhospitable conditions of the U-boat: By the end of WWII, German U-boat crews had a 95% fatality rate. You spent your last months in deplorable conditions, strangled by fear, and then you died in pain. It gets your attention.
I once met a German U-boat captain that managed to be one of the few survivors. He was quiet and reserved. He still had a harrowed look in his eyes.
I read Iron Coffins, The book by Luth, Torpedo Alley and a few others. Not exactly the most pleasant stuff.
Over the summer I went on the Silversides which was pretty cool.
I am hoping to actually go in the U-boote this time. Last time I was at the museum, they were sold out. If not, I guess I will be happy with pictures around it.
On a side note, I am surrounded by Spartan fans and they are whining about how they are about to get jobbed. Gah.
Its ridiculous. Its like they don't know they have a game today. They're talking like they've already been screwed. The bitterness and whining is palpable. Win your game and you won't get jobbed by the system (yes, the system; it's not Michigan's fault, Sparties).
Now they are monopolizing the aisle way and taking pictures of each other. Blah.
Headed up to the C-USA Championship game now. Its a funny dynamic for me with our potential Sugar Bowl match up. I coach Sumlin's boy in baseball, so I'm hoping we get to play each other. It'd be a fun one for me to watch. And I think we'll be fine. The BCS standings will play out like they should.
Who just interviewed Griffin? She is the hottest sideline reporter ever.
I tweeted Les Miles today. He tweeted back. They got this. Please RT.
Game Day talking heads are saying that if OK State loses, they should get a BCS bowl anyway. No, I don't think so. A 2-loss OK State team reveals itself as a flash in the pan that could not win its big games.
Syracuse turnover, Pitt ball with 14:58 remaining in the first.
Up 6-0 ten seconds in, after kicking off to start the game. Awesome.
Pitt ball, two turnovers by Syracuse in the first :55.
Edit: and a personal foul. Hopefully this turns into some more really quick points.
Southern Miss forces a 3 and out to start
Houston is SLOW.
....that's a great sack by Pitt.
If not for the holding, that's a decent push for a few yards by Syracuse.
Back to almost where we were two plays ago.
Another stop for Southern Miss
Planking AND high jumping on the same defensive play?
Missed FG for Southern Miss. Neither team looks good.
Catch the ball and run with it. That looked easy enough.
Iowa St. Vs Kansas in Weather Delay...Could be a messy game?
I'm seeing UT A&M.
Was Chandler Jones running in slow motion or did it take him that long to make about ten yards?
EDIT: So, now, Pitt's latest drive has resulted in three straight tackles for loss. I am pretty sure manufacturing safeties is not what they talk about on offense, although two sacks and a thinly protected screen play would be a good way to do it.
Two quick TD's, and despite the weather ISU and KSU now tied at 7.
College football officiating (replay booth included) = absolute fucking joke !!!!!
It's just that simple I'm afraid.
Calling this one, folks. 33-20 Pitt with 2:28 to go.
So Miss handing it to Houston, IN HOUSTON...42-21.
How far does Houston drop if they lose? The lesser conference teams typically fall much further with their 1st loss.
That stadium is silent