Everyone Murders

January 25th, 2016 at 9:19 AM ^

I hope he comes here, and brings his good friend Mr. Gary.  But anyone decommiting from Penn State is a good thing in my book.  Whether they come to Michigan or not.

You know, because they enabled child rape at their facilities over the course of years.  And covered it up. 

ijohnb

January 25th, 2016 at 9:55 AM ^

is bigger than the statue, they just want to be able to enjoy memories of a football program.  You take the Joe Pa era out of the equation and there is simply nothing there.  It would be like taking the "Coach K era" away from Duke.  If they don't got that what do they got?  It is going to be exceedingly difficult for Penn State to fully rebuild even with the truncated sanctions. 

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East German Judge

January 25th, 2016 at 10:08 AM ^

Those fans are just beyond delusional about what happened and what their revered coach's involvement was or was not. I would be more than happy to keep Rutgers and Maryland in the conference (and that is saying a lot) if we could get rid of penn state and have them expelled.

BTW FUCK penn state and all the delusional joepa loving fans.

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xxxxNateDaGreat

January 25th, 2016 at 10:13 AM ^

"they just want to be able to enjoy memories of a football program." Ah, yes, who could forget all of those fine memories that were made possible by a coach who enabled a serial pedophile for several decades? Well, to be TOTALLY fair to Joe Paterno, he was only aware for one of those decades, so I guess we can cut him SOME slack, right? I mean, geez it was only a couple dozen kids, you know?

ijohnb

January 25th, 2016 at 10:30 AM ^

not taking a position on anything, I just think it is really minimalistic to say it is about a statue going back up. 

I do think that the minute everybody else stops impuning their current program based on actions of the past, the Penn State fan base will probably scorn Paterno and his legacy to a greater extent than they do.  I guess I would ask you, what could a Penn State fan say to you that would appease you?  What is it exactly that you are looking for before you would allow a Penn State fan to move on from the past?  If they said in masses, OK, Joe Pa was a sick enabler, etc., and we FULLY ACCEPT THAT, no ifs, and, or buts about it.  We would really just like to forget him now and play some football. Would that be OK?  I am not trying to start anything, I am just curious.

Everyone Murders

January 25th, 2016 at 9:55 AM ^

I do feel bad for the majority of the students, faculty, and athletes who got smeared by the Sandusky/Paterno child abuse scandal.  I know a number that are apalled by what went on there.  But a huge share of their fan base is absolutely unchagrined by the horrors that took place in their own showers.  And they almost uniformly refuse to own the crucial role their patron saint, Joe Paterno, played in that scandal.

This includes members of the Board of Trustees and other highly-placed apologists.  So in conclusion, fuck those pederast-enabling apologists.  That program deserves the death penalty, and instead got a slap on the wrist.

xxxxNateDaGreat

January 25th, 2016 at 10:33 AM ^

People there still demonize McQueary and cheer Paterno, when Paterno was aware of all of this four years before that incident thanks to an investigation that only went away because the now missing DA didn't want to press charges at the time. Yet Penn State fans want to keep acting like McQueary is the real villain here.

Everyone Murders

January 25th, 2016 at 10:54 AM ^

McQueary's an interesting figure here, because he arguably deserves demonization.  IIRC, he witnessed Sandusky raping a boy in PSU's shower, but did not intervene.  I would hope that all of us would have the moral compass to intervene in such an event.  The fact of the matter is that many people don't live up to that seemingly low standard.  So McQueary fell short of what we'd expect of anyone in that situation (presumably he was in a state of shock to see that occurring).  I'm sure that if he had it to do all over again, McQueary would have intervened and called the cops. 

But McQueary did report the incident to his superior, and he seemed regretful.  So I'm reluctant to demonize McQueary.  He made a mistake, and seems to own the results of that mistake. 

Joe Paterno, on the other hand, gets no sympathy.  People seem to forget that Sandusky was the heir apparent at PSU and then was mysteriously retired from the program.  No health issue, no recruiting issue, no taking a HC job elsewhere, no known insurgency against Paterno, and good performance by the D on the field.  So hmmmmh, why would Sandusky suddenly be "retired" from the program and dissociated from it?  In retrospect, it seems that PSU knew that Sandusky was a "risk" long before McQueary saw what he saw.

The problem is that PSU seemed to see Sandusky as a "risk" to PSU rather than a "risk" to children.  That is a breathtaking institutional moral failure.  And if the smoke of Sandusky's sudden retirement does indicate PSU's knowledge that he was a sexual predator, then Joe Paterno's handling of McQueary's report is unforgiveable.

So to your point, it seems they're demonizing the wrong guy.

ijohnb

January 25th, 2016 at 11:00 AM ^

you believe that PSU and Paterno were so utterly terrified by what Sandusky could do to PSU that they had him retire carried off the field by the team, gave him an office in the athletic bulding, gave him keys to all of their facilities, let him run camps on the campus, let him run the Second Mile basically through Penn State and allowed him to come and go as he please with children on the campus.  And you believe they did this because of how scared they were about associating Penn State with Sandusky? Huh?

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Everyone Murders

January 25th, 2016 at 11:20 AM ^

I think that PSU and Paterno came to view Sandusky as a liability and a risk, and forced him into retirement.  But Sandusky (or his lawyers) was able to negotiate some face-saving concessions.  It was done as a matter of convenience, not because they were terrified.  This is all my theory - but damned if Sandusky didn't go from "Golden Boy" to marginalized without explanation. 

But I do believe that PSU

gave him an office in the athletic building, gave him keys to all of their facilities, let him run camps on the campus, let him run the Second Mile basically through Penn State and allowed him to come and go as he pleased with children on the campus."

And they did much of this even after McQueary made his report to Joe Paterno.  And that's at the root of the problem.

ijohnb

January 25th, 2016 at 11:28 AM ^

don't buy it.  What leverage would Sandusky have had to negotiate anything?  "Give me all these things or ....... what?  I will announce to the world that I am getting canned because I was caught molesting children."  Not exactly the best bargaining chips.  It also would have been at a time where Penn State could have easily spun it if the reason for his firing were to have leaked because, as of that time, there would have been no cover-up to speak of.  I don't think it adds up as a long, continuing conspiracy, and I have tried to make it compute many times.

RGard

January 25th, 2016 at 11:43 AM ^

You have to remember that paterno and penn state were about projecting an image of lily white athletics and academics.  Success with honor and The Grand Experiment being examples.

They were busy telling the world they had better football because they graduated so many players and they never did anything to cover up crimes by the players. 

Sandusky knew all there was to know about what the players got away with, who took tests for whom and the like.

The above may have played a role in why they covered up for Sandusky.