i refuse to even consider this a possibility
Giant asteroid from above, or gaping sinkhole from below... can't stand either team
Individually, those are two scary things. Together, they are two problems solved.
... much more targeted, and thus less likely to involve innocent bystanders.
That said, I'm all for MSU schadenfreude; I can't resist "sympathizing" with my Sparty friends whenever possible.
As much as we all dislike Duke, there would be nothing better than going to a Final Four while MSU watch from home. Basketball is all they have now that Hoke is here, afterall.
IIRC, D-Mo's shot was to tie the game
MSU, only because I like Izzo as a coach and I have always hated Duke. I am going for Dunk City to win it all.
Izzo is to die inside. This I cannot do.
So, he's never ok?
I do not care who wins that game. Beat Kansas.
What's good for my bracket (as long as it doesn't hurt U of M), is good for me. Despite how much I despise coach K and Duke, I will be pulling for the Blue Devils.
only be watching that game if we win anyway. Wish we were the late game so that I could enjoy State v. Duke win or lose. I am that way on football Saturdays too. If we lose the rest of the day is pretty much shot as far as watching is concerned.
Since after that I have Louisville beating Duke in the Elite 8. I also would love to see Sparty sitting at home while we advance.
MSU and the Big Ten. Duke Basketball is comparable to the Yankees for me and I root against them always.
Living in Ohio, my pathological hatred is for the Buckeyes, not the Spartans. Izzo has done a great job there, and has not tolerated the antics the football coaches have tolerated. I wouldn't mind seeing three Big Ten teams in the semi-finals--so long as the Buckeyes are not one of them.
They are Ivan Drago, that douchy team in the Mighty Ducks and racist teams from Remember the Titans, Radio and The Blindside, all rolled into one. They are every villian from 80's movies and epic whiners about officiating (which mostly goes there way). I just can't stand to root for them and MSU by comparison seems likeable.
Or maybe I was just a freshman at Butler in 2010-11 and I haven't gotten over that loss in the finals. Duke is just the most hateable teamin basketball for me.
MSU, and pulling hard. Basketball I root for our rivals. Football it's pure hatred and spite, but basketball I really want the B1G to succeed. Except Wisconsin
is just bad for America, plain and simple.
I like cheese, though. That isn't the same thing is it?
Same. I'm kind of hoping for an all B1G Final 4.
Whoever I picked in my bracket last week.... and that is Duke.
I know its Good to cheer for your little brother every Once in a while (except for Dantonio), so I gUess I'll forego lacK of interest and cheEr for MSU. I'll try, I promise.
1. Any team that is coached by Tom Crean
1A. Any Ohio team
4. Any team coached by Bo Ryan
I'll be pulling for Sparty slightly for conference pride. If they lose, I'll get over it quickly.
Even higher than your # 1 is "Any team we are playing against."
I always hope for Michigan to win, but I don't always hate our opponent. For instance, I like VCU's style, and I wished that they weren't playing Michigan so that I could root for them.
Solid list. I'm going to use it and root for MSU to win in 8 overtimes.
Yes! Double post
5. The Dutch
As sweet as it would be to be in the Final Four with Sparty at home, it will be that much better to beat them in the National Championship game.
Duke only because I took them
In my bracket. I think Msu wins though, they have looked a lot better than duke in my opinion in the tourney so far.
In General, I'll root for all big ten teams to advance as long as Michigan does. If Michigan gets knocked out, then it'll be more passive rooting.
Brackets are business. I never let emotion guide me. Duke to the Elite where they will lose.
Duke has been our speedbump in many tournaments in the past - I'd like to play them again and beat them.
We are 95-76 against MSU, 8-21 vs Duke, 0-3 vs Duke in the NCAAs.
I just flipped a coin. Heads was Duke, tails was MSU. The coin landed tails up, so I will pull for MSU. This works out pretty good, as I do dislike Duke the most of the two.
My coin landed on its edge, then melted a hole into the floor. Not sure what that means in this case.
Definitely MSU. I grudgingly accept that Payne and Nix are two of the better post-up guys in the country. Izzo's a very good coach. He's not my favorite MSU coach --- that would be Judd Heathcote ---- and Harris and Appling are good, but would I trade either for TB? --- forget about it!.
The Dukies are who they are --- they've made a fetish of coming up with boorish and inelegant BB-game chants. But then, I was in Madison in February. When TB went to the free-throw line at the student end of the court, those selfsame students chanted in unison: "Trey Burke Swallows."
Bad student behavior at BB games is hardly limited to those in Durham, NC.
Cannot root for little brother. Hate Duke but have no choice
Duke no question.
If MSU wins they brag about being the better program, team, yadda yadda etc. If MSU loses they will talk about how we've only cared about basketball for the past 2 years. Forced to choose I prefer the latter. Plus as much as I hate coack K, seeing IZZO lose is one of my guilty pleasures.
That being said, GO BLUE! Beat Kansas!
If we lose, then Duke. I'd love a crack at Sparty for the national title, but I definitely don't want them advancing further than us.
both teams to lose
I just hate MSU with a burning passion but Duke embodies all that is wrong with the world. Coach K is a false prophet--the anti-Christ.
Ever since they went on their 4 game win streak in football and their obnoxious fans came out of the woodwork I can't bring myself to cheer for them in anything. Throw in what they did to property in AA after the FB game two years ago and they can go to hell with ND!
That is precisely how I feel. I had always rooted for them, but now I can't.
I want duke to win. Every advancement state makes in this tournament is used directly against us in recruiting. I only want state to win when they play Ohio. Our real rival.
I'm pro Big Ten all the time, especially as long as there's a possibility of an all B10 FInal Four.
I'm pulling for the all-Big10 final four, so Sparty it is.
For whom do you pull?
BOOM MICHIGAN ARROGANCE'D
I'll root for the B1G's, except for Indiana. Crean's childish display a few weeks ago makes Indiana my one remaing exception to B1G support. Wiscy, an insult to basketball, was the other.
get any work done right now. This tournament needs to end and we need to win the national championship before I get fired.
My childhood rooting interests were Sparty except when they played Michigan. So even though I loathe the current state of Spartan fandom, I will be rooting for them and the B1G. I want an all B1G final four. That is the absolute best thing for the league and my team. Plus it will be the ultimate shutthehellup to Barkley.
MSU, I recently went to a duke game. If you think their fans are anything but obnoxious assholes then you need to get to cameron stadium. I heard more trash talking and insults screamed in one game then I've heard from all the Michigan football games I've been to
I went to a game in Cameron in the '90s. It was a lot of fun and the fans were polite and pretty positive. Of course, they were playing Mercer and beat the shit out of the them, so trash talking wasn't really needed.
I mean Duke is literally the Evil Empire.
Duke. I have them going all the way in my bracket, plus fuck Staee
I respect Izzo's program despite wanting Michigan to beat him 100-0 every time they play. And it would be good for the league if they won...I see no upside to Duke winning, especially given Michigan's current recruiting battle with them for Devin Booker (not that one game is likely to make much of a difference).
I live in SEC country, so there would be no better feeling than to have 4 B1G teams in the Elite 8. Especially when they were whining about not getting the respect they "deserved."
I can dream that we would have an all B1G Final Four with UofM winning it all against OSU, but, not sure that's going to happen.
As long as we go further than MSU, I'm happy.
Duke. Even though I met my wife here at UofM, she was born at the Duke hospital, and her entire family are Duke fans (her bro went there and her dad worked there).
Tough one for me. On the one hand - Fuck Duke, go B1G even if it is MSU. On the other hand - I have Duke beating MSU in my bracket. Thinking I'll just drink heavily and root against both teams.
Did you forget to add "/s" to the end of that post?
I'll be rooting for Staee. A Duke loss helps me immensely in my bracket pool, so there's that as well as rooting for the B1G.
Rooting for Duke. MSU fans can be more annoying given out rivalry and we also compete more with them in recruiting. It is more beneficial for UM for MSU to lose than Duke.
Hate Duke with a passion and every ounce of my being but cannot deal with the State's incessant whining about everything under the freaking sun. Plus Dantonio will have that stupid smirk if they win so suck it Sparty.
Speaking of Duke, Chris Collins (Duke Asst) will be named Northwesterns next Head Coach per Jeff Goodman of CBS.
I don't hate Duke as much as the rest of the folks around here hate Duke.
Sparty on the other hand, Sparty can suck it.
I have heard the beer is decent as well.
I've never even met a Duke fan, so I will not argue with the ops logic. I actually riot for Duke almost every game that they aren't playing us. That's just from watching them about twice every week for my whole life. As for the other fan dislike leading to personal interest in a game. I completely agree with that. I have never met a duke fan, but have to deal with staee fans daily. I don't want to deal with the celebration of a national title from them on Saturday if they make the elite 8.
one of the two schools I despise will lose and the other will get beat by Louisville in the next game..SO..both get beat....IF MSU wins its good for the conference ..If they lose and UM advances well..WE had the better season...win win
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Funny quote, but I never did like the guy.
Fuck Duke! Go...Green?
dammit. On my phone and unable to correct my crappy spelling.
I never did like proof-reading.
My bad, people.
rooting for Michigan State's fanbase to emerge from the game with sound basketball insight and good-naturedness, which most of my Duke alum friends have.
But that's probably even less likely than a meteor.
Duke a thousand times Duke.
In the next round.
so maybe we should feel sorry for them and root for MSU.
Or, maybe not.
Duke. I work with way too many sparty's (they have a great MSA program). Their tears, you know, taste like sugar.
The B1G will be vaildated when we win the title game against Ohio. Go Duke, beat Staee.
So all you people hate Duke for no reason other than they are consistently good?
See 1992 Men's Basketball Championship, among a bevy of other things.
those of us who are old enough to remember the early to mid 90s have plenty of reasons to hate Duke. My favorite basketball memory (outside of 89, 92, and 93, obvs) is rushing the court after knocking them off in Crisler in 97. We had beaten OSU to go to the Rose the week before, and Charles would win the Heisman that night. Good times.
Such as? Every team has their fair share of twats so using that is purely cop out in my view. It wasn't so much the Duke hate as much as it was the MSU love from you lot. I would never root for a rival over an OOC team.
Losing several big-time games to the same basketball team (and its arrogant coach) is plenty of reason to hate them. If that doesn't make sense, the concept is beyond explanation to you. Also I wouldn't either, but some people want Michigan's conference to be stoutly represented in games that matter...just a difference of opinion.
I'm still rooting for a Big 10 Final Four. But, if MSU loses, the consolation is . . . MSU LOSES!(Just as I have been rooting for all Big 10 teams in the postseason, but I cackled with glee that the only one to lose in the Round of 64 was Wisconsin). If MSU loses, then there's no question that we root for Louisville to take care of Duke to get to the final four.
The only reason to root against MSU here would be if we hadn't closed the gap. We have. What's good for the big ten is good for us. Duke hoops is as bad as ND football. I can never pull for them in anything.
Seriously? Someone with a user name of Everyone Murders is critiquing Coach K's supposed poor persona? Christian Laettner is no more the poster child for Duke as is Grant Hill or any of the many other players who have come through Coach K's program. I understand the dislike for Duke and a certain persona that it projects, but conjuring images of Jerry Sandusky is way out of bounds and says more about the poster than anything. I thought this board wants intelligent conversation?
I see you created a new account to reply. Since you took the trouble to do that, here are three quick points in response:
Welcome to the board, anyway. It can be a fun place to exchange ideas, especially for those with a passion for University of Michigan sports.
*By which I mean I'm not sorry at all. To be extra clear, the name is a jab at OSU, and I don't really think "everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me".
Love the Pulp Fiction style response!
I did create a new account to respond because I was disappointed to read that a Michigan man needs to conjure images of Sandusky to smear someone else. There are any number of iconic coaches you could have chosen to compare to Coach K, but you chose to compare him to Sandusky/Paterno. So, yes, I do think you were conjuring those images. Also, Coach K can't help that CBS shows Laetner's winning shot against Kentucky. And I don't think that makes Laetner the poster child for Duke any more than Grant Hill or Shane Battier are poster children for Duke. I think you just don't like Duke, which is fine but no need to throw the Sandusky thing around at someone like Coach K. It's better to be credible with your criticisms. And, yes, I'm very passionate about Michigan sports and have been for a very long time.
You keep on writing that I'm comparing Coach Krzyzewski to Jerry Sandusky. I'm not, and I didn't. I compared the cult of personality Coach Krzyzewski enjoys to the cult of personality that Paterno enjoyed before the big scandal.
Your assertion that I "chose to compare [ Krzyzewski] to Sandusky/Paterno" is false. This isn't a matter of interpretation. It's a matter of your lack of reading comprehension. Your replies are making you sound shrill, and my guess is that you're a decent person who's above that sort of tripe.
We're not going to get to "yes" on Coach Krzyzewski. I think he's a weasel, you think he's the bee's knees, a builder of men, etc. Fine.
But stop with the falsities. Please.
I want to beat them in the semifinal. We've already beaten MSU this year.
We wouldn't play Duke until the championship game though right?
would be up next. Even better, though--right?
Either result is fine. Big Ten continues to do well if MSU wins, if they lose then MSU just lost and that's fine by me too.
There's a lenghty mathematical argument that I could make that would say it is a bit of a wash in this tournament, but for the sake of one of my sole remaining competitive bracket (as in, in the top three in one pool), it is fair to say that I have a financial interest in Michigan State winning. On the other hand, I have one bracket that is 7th in a pool and goes with Duke, so really, I'd go with MSU for the currently more optimistic cash picture, in my case.
Well, I'll mention the math anyway - I calculated the estimated probabilities of Michigan's hypothetical paths to a title using some of the numbers from Massey, and for the most part, the MSU and Duke paths work out to numbers with 0.5% of one another, so the people choosing the "asteroid / sinkhole" route have a point as well if we're simply talking about the Tournament itself.
I will cheer for Duke for a number of reasons.
1. I can never cheer for Sparty unless Michigan directly benefits from their winning.
2. Sparty and Michigan compete for area recruits. Every time one team wins, it hurts the other.
3. Duke and Sparty are both arrogant and entitled. Duke has 4 National Championships under K; Sparty has one under Izzo. Duke has earned the right to be arrogant; Sparty hasn't.
4. Duke defines itself by championships. MSU defines itself by hatred for Michigan.
5. Most of all, I'm just going to have to admit that I love to see Sparty suffer.
For the record, Coach K didn't whine about fans rushing the court. He was asked a direct question about it by a reporter, and gave the same response every coach would give.
The chant was "past your bedtime".
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of shitty entitled douchebags here (myself included), but sometimes its just so easy to get the facts wrong.
MSU, but only because I am still very alive in my money pools and I have them going to the elite 8. I probably won't watch the game, though, until the end because these are probably my least 2 favorite teams in college basketball.
It pains me, but you've got to pull for MSU in this game.
Sparty. B1G all the way.
I have to root for Sparty. They just don't have much going for them right now, so I'd like to see them get something, if only for their self-esteem. It's not like they're a threat to win the championship or anything.
I'll pull for Sparty. The idea of an all B1G Final Four is compelling.
If we lose...... I won't watch one second of their game. Fuck them both.
problems for Duke to actually win), but Duke because I live in NC and am actually much more annoyed by UNC and NC State fans than Duke fans ("y'all, they all went back north, y'all!!!!") I kind of like watching everyone's head explode when Duke wins since I have no real ACC rooting interest.
Hey, I always root for the Big Ten, especially in the tournament. Plus I have this one bracket - started out as my "goofy heartfelt desire bracket" that places MSU, OSU, Indiana and Meeeeeeechigan in the Final Four. Hey - I'm in the lead in my pool right now with that one. Ain't stopping now!
Because my bracket has Louisville in the Final Four anyway.
Grew up in A2 and a Michigan alum, but I still loved the Flint-stones. Duke is Christian laetner, JJ Redick, Bobby Hurley, Greg Paulson, and Krzyzewski. Izzo runs a good program.
I picked Duke so it helps me against the people with like picks by maybe giving me an edge against them, but MSU winning actually hurts my pool leaders worse. So however it falls out, it's going to hurt/help.
Frankly, I just look at the bright side that at least one team I really hate is going to lose Friday night.
State. I'll take trash over malignant evil any day.
Simple...I picked Duke and I have a chance to win my pool, so I will root for Duke! I won't be disappointed to see 4 B1G teams in the Final 4 though, if we were so fortunate.
I want us to beat Duke in the finals.
I want an all big ten final four. Plus being out here in North Carolina, I HATE Duke...
I would think Duke because, well, they're not MSU.