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Doug Gottlieb... Michigan hating dochebag

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March 5th, 2012 at 11:57 PM
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Doug Gottlieb... Michigan hating dochebag

Anyone listening to Gottlieb this afternoon must have had similar feelings to mine when hearing this dote yet again express his obvious hatred for us.  I was driving in my car and wanted to scream while listening to his idiotic reasoning for why we really didn't deserve to win a share.  

He was talking to Mike Conley and asking him if he watched the tOSU-MSU game. He then went into typical "I'm Doug Gottleib so I have to say something stupid about Michigan" mode.  Paraphrasing here....

... did you see Michigan jumping all around because they won a three way share of the Big Ten title?  Someone should tell them it doesn't count because they didn't even have to play at Wisconsin.  I mean how do you win a share of the Big Ten and not have to play at Wisconsin?  

He's always getting his little digs in on us.  What does he have against us?  He's unprofessional, even by ESPN's standards.  Last year at tourney time he was bashing us on SC and saying we should really have been in the play-in game and picked us to lose "big" to Tennessee.  He also took many opportunities during bowl season to express his expert opinion on our football team and why we shouldn't be in the Sugar Bowl.  Him bashing us has become so common that I think it may actually be a well-devised joke.

You would think a former player who excelled in college and was short on next-level talent would have some appreciation for a group of guys who are a bit short on talent but long on heart and effort.  Doug should get back to criticizing NBA players who get paid to play half-ass and steer clear of a group of hard-working and selfless kids who brought a once proud program back from the dead.  Rain on someone else's parade Doug, Michigan basketball is on it's way back.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:00 AM
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Your problem is listening to

Your problem is listening to said douchebag.

I just avoid ESPN on Sirius when driving home.  He's not very informitive, nor entertaining, and his voice irritates me.

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March 6th, 2012 at 10:03 AM
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Exactly...why listen to him?

He's an idiot.

Last year he yelled at Joe Lunardi for a week on national TV about his bracket...then Joe ended up with more teams right than he did. When they both signed up for the ESPN March Madness Pick'em...Gottlieb was like in the 59% percentile. His bracket was beaten by mine and much of the world.

He's an idiot.

ESPN let him play in the celebrity basketball game at the NBA All-Star Weekend and he PRESSED. He stole the ball, he fouled, and he played his heart out (and still didn't get MVP) during a celebrity all-star game (in which he asked to be in).

He's an idiot.

Every year he kicks and screams like a small spoiled child when debating Katz or Lunardi...he's always wrong, he's always disrecpectful, he can't spell "bracketology" and I wouldn't be shocked if little Lunardi got St. Joe's basketball coach Phil Martelli to put a hit out on him.

He's an idiot.

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March 6th, 2012 at 11:10 AM
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The celebrity basketball game

The celebrity basketball game took the cake!  He was really trying to strap up! lmao

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:05 AM
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How is this our fault?

How is this our fault? Gotleib sucks.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:04 AM
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Someone said something mean,

Someone said something mean, let's all be angry! Calm down and take a deep breath, this should have no bearing on your happiness.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:05 AM
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I'm fairly sure Michigan

I'm fairly sure Michigan basketball is back.

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March 7th, 2012 at 3:32 AM
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No waiting for next year

Yea, we REALLY need to bury that now. It was already kinda ridiculous later in the season with the team doing so well. When you accomplish something as significant as a conference title ,and one-upping the Fab 5 and the national championship team because of it, I think it's safe to say we've arrived.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:07 AM
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Last time

I checked we beat Wisconsin... What a douche bag asshole

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:13 AM
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i double checked

we beat wisconsin by 18 this year. so umm..his info is about as good as mike farrel's?

 

 

 

ED: nvm the quote was "at Wisconsin." my bad. Fuck Him.

 

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March 6th, 2012 at 1:35 PM
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Because

clearly every Big Ten title comes with the oh so logical requirement that you MUST win at Wisconsin. Even if you don't play there. And if you don't play there, you can't win the Big Ten title.

The logic, it is flawless. FLAWLESS I TELL YOU.

 

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:13 AM
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I misread the first time

I misread the first time through as well. He was saying that we didn't play AT Wisconsin. Which, whatever.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:07 AM
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ESPN Radio is garbage

I listened to Rome's show on Friday while driving from Miami to Tampa cause that rental car's radio only got AM stations.  In the 2 hours i listened he spent 5 minutes talking about sports and the rest of the time about getting gas and some stupid contest he is running.

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March 6th, 2012 at 10:47 AM
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I'm impressed.  What

I'm impressed.  What possessed you to scan the AM radio channels?  It wouldn't have even dawned on me to look there.  I would've hopeless kept scanning FM.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:08 AM
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I'm just happy DG got his

I'm just happy DG got his theft addiction in check.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:09 AM
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My question to Doug

How do you get kicked out of Notre Dame without stealing credit cards and making illegal charges on them?

Oh yeah, you don't.  You have to do dumb stuff like commit theft and credit card fraud to get booted out of school and end up at Ok. State.  Now I totally understand.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:10 AM
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He probably gets paid

He probably gets paid comission on every mention and angry message board post. Hey Chewie Blue: you just got Gottlieb'd. 

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:10 AM
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Ya, I wouldn't be excited for

Ya, I wouldn't be excited for winning a conference title for a team that hasn't won a B1G title since before I was born. That's just preposterous. 

But seriously, stop giving credence to national radio talkshow hosts/columnists. They hardly ever know their head from their ass when talking about a particular team. And every "prediction" they make is no more relevant than mine or yours. If they were actually good at predicting, they would be betting in Vegas, and not spitting into the microphone. 

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:12 AM
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Here's the thing.  When

Here's the thing.  When you're a school like Michigan, and you have literally millions of fans, there are going to be people who hate you.  The Doug Gottliebs, the Mike Wilbons, hell even the Miek Farrells.  That's just part of the territory. 

Guess what - Doug Gottlieb doesn't talk shit about USC basketball or UConn football, because no one cares about them.  People care about Michigan.  It's what makes us great, but you have to deal with a handful of idiots along the way.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:34 AM
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Not sure that's what is happening here

Wilbon doesn't like Michigan because he went to Northwestern.  If my math is right, Michigan went to the Rose Bowl in each of his first three years of college.  At a time when the Wildcats won 3 football games in 4 years.  I can understand that kind of hate.

Gottlieb, I'm guessing, still thinks of himself as a Domer.  And it is always the converts and the rejects who love/hate the hardest.  As a Jewish kid from Southern California who was booted from ND after his freshman year for criminal activity, I'm guessing his own self-loathing and sense of rejection at not being able to cut it at ND just fuels the Michigan hatred even more.  His first three years of high school were the Fab Five years, so to him Michigan has always probably been the ultimate enemy as well.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:53 AM
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Uhhh

What does his being Jewish have to do with any of that?

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March 6th, 2012 at 1:09 AM
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Notre Dame is a Roman Catholic school

If I, as an atheist who was baptized Episcopalian and briefly attended Catholic school as a young kid, suddenly became a die-hard BYU fan and enrolled there over offers from a wide variety of schools across the country, only to be booted for seriously bad behavior, that would be somewhat puzzling to say the least.  I'm guessing a Jewish kid from suburban SoCal who decided to go to a catholic university in rural Indiana when their basketball program was totally dogshit has a weird, powerful emotional bond with the school that also doesn't quite make sense to anyone else.  To then get kicked out/rejected by that school is also probably a strange phenomenon.  Now all he really has left is his animosity, and a big chunk of that has probably always been directed at Michigan.

No matter what they tell you in school, simply mentioning a person's race, religion, or ethnicity isn't offensive or insulting.  Honest.

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March 6th, 2012 at 7:50 AM
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Nice

No matter what they tell you in school, simply mentioning a person's race, religion, or ethnicity isn't offensive or insulting.  Honest.

 

Fantastic.  This times a million.  People getting all up in arms when race/religion is so much as mentioned are tiresome and most of the time simply looking to get someone in trouble for doing so.  In this case, the reference to Gottlieb being Jewish is 100% relevant.

 

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:12 AM
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I thought Mike Farrell was

I thought Mike Farrell was already at the front of the line.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:17 AM
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Wisconsin lost 4 home games

Wisconsin lost 4 home games this year. It didn't appear to be as tough to play at this year. And we beat Wisconsin by 18 at home. We also swept N'W and Illinois, who MSU both lost to and only played once. And OSU didn't play @Purdue. How can you win the B1G title without playing @ West Lafayette. He's just mad that he never won a conference championship at Notre Dame or Oklahoma St.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:19 AM
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So Doug gottlieb hates

So Doug gottlieb hates Michigan.....this should not upset you. He is paid to give his opinions. Not everyone likes Michigan. I don't understand why you would let guys like gottlieb, wilbon, cowherd etc get to you. It's just, like, their opinion, man.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:25 AM
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Gottlieb actually hates

Gottlieb actually hates everything that involves the state of Michigan, never has a positive thing to say about any school in michigan, i guess it's the notre shame still in him or something.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:25 AM
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change the station

change the station

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:25 AM
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Ooooo man I HATE DOUG! GOSH

Ooooo man I HATE DOUG! GOSH this gets me so riled up! I can't wait to hit the next small WOODLAND ANIMAL I SEE!!!

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:31 AM
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Bateman?!?

C'mon Bateman couldn't do that. That guy is such a dork! Your message was hilarious!

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:28 AM
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He's always been a douchebag.

He's always been a douchebag.  He went to Notre Dame and was promptly kicked out after stealing credit cards from his teammate.  Also know that his dad coached at Milwaukee and hence the naming of not playing at Wisconsin.

 

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March 6th, 2012 at 10:40 AM
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We played the other two

We played the other two co-champions twice apiece, but played the fourth-place team only once, so our championship is invalid.  Yeah, okay.

Every Big Ten team played four teams only once.  Besides Wisconsin, the other teams we played once finished 8th (Iowa), 10th (Minnesota) and tied for 11th (Nebraska).  Easy schedule?

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:39 AM
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What's silly about this is

What's silly about this is that we are #7 in conferense SOS on ESPN's Daily RPI, nestled nicely between #3 Michigan State and #8 Ohio State. We were #1 prior to playing @Penn State Sunday.  One-plays for the champs were Iowa (all three), Minnesota (UM and Ohio), Penn State (Ohio and State), Wisconsin (UM), Purdue (Ohio), Northwestern (Michigan State), Illinois (Michigan State), and Nebraska (UM).

Basically, all three had nearly identical schedules with one-plays against Iowa, a cellar team (T-last Penn State or Nebraska), a very flawed team (T-9thMinnesota or Illinois), and then a wild card. Conventional wisdom would say Wisconsin > Purdue > Northwestern so Michigan slightly lucked out. Stupid thing for Gottlieb to bitch about. Frankly, Northwestern gave us two battles and we rolled Wisconsin, so I'm not even sure what to think of this.

Link? Link. http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:40 AM
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Haters gonna Hate

It must bring ratings. Change the dial. Honestly, I don't care about haters. It usually is a signal we're doing well. No point in hating 5 years ago, or 10, or 15, or 20 . . . Michigan wasn't in the conversation.

You may not like UNC, or Duke, or Kansas, or Kentucky, or MSU, or Ohio, or Syracuse, or Florida, but if you pay attention, you will notice they all have haters, to various degrees, for various reasons. I'd much rather Michigan be in the hated group then the irrelevant group.

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March 6th, 2012 at 11:02 AM
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Correction

Honestly, I don't care about haters..... except those over on 11W, where I frequently lurk to find Michigan related material to report to MgoBlog.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:49 AM
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Uhhhhh...

Am I supposed to know who Doug Gottlieb and Mike Conley are?  I'm completely serious.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:58 AM
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Yea

Gottlieb's always come across as a Napoleon Complex toting B**ch.  Listening to him break down a game or spew actual knowledge is okay because he really does know the game.  Once past that, and it happens quickly, and "opinions" start getting shat out of his mouth he comes off as an ass.

To Section 1: No you're not.  Be happy you don't.  Just another pundit voice from the monopolist ESPN (& Conley played at OSU few years back).

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March 6th, 2012 at 11:38 AM
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Conley...

Now that you mention it, I do remember Conley as a player at OSU, and I feel just a little embarassment for not remembering him before.  That's my bad.

But Gottlieb?  I don't think so.

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:58 AM
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I'm sure Gottlieb doesn't

I'm sure Gottlieb doesn't understand it, after all did he ever win one at ND (before stealing credit cards) or Oklahoma State?

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:59 AM
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I don't understand why a team

I don't understand why a team has to play at Wisconsin in order to be rightfully designated big ten champs.  Yeah its a hard place to win in, but we played at Indiana instead, which is equally hard and we lost by 2.  

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March 6th, 2012 at 1:06 AM
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Whenever you get mad about something Gottlieb says..

Just recite these statistics over and over to yourself and laugh:

  • 37.9 FG%
  • 23.6 3FG%
  • 45.3 FT%
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March 6th, 2012 at 8:57 AM
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I like to think of this

I like to think of this interview and laugh at Doug Gottlieb.  Jim Mora Jr. tells Gottlieb what he thinks of him.

 

 

 

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March 6th, 2012 at 1:06 PM
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He reminds me of a creepy

He reminds me of a creepy little weasel.

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March 6th, 2012 at 2:29 PM
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Mora

Mora: "Is this your first interview?"

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March 6th, 2012 at 1:07 AM
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Who cares. No matter what

Who cares. No matter what anyone says, we can call ourselves B1G Champs this season.

Period.

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March 6th, 2012 at 1:12 AM
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No Subject

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March 6th, 2012 at 1:21 AM
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Re Doug Gottlieb

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March 6th, 2012 at 1:25 AM
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Oooohhhhh, someone has the

Oooohhhhh, someone has the power to declare others "Trolls" on this thread.

Just remember, in real life, I'm the beautiful princess and YOU are the Troll.

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March 6th, 2012 at 1:35 AM
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At least spell douche bag right,

if you're going to complain.

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March 6th, 2012 at 1:42 AM
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I bet

I Bet Jalen Rose punches his shoulder everytime they cross each other in the Espn campus.  Doug should get his vag waxed @Wisconsin.

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March 6th, 2012 at 1:50 AM
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P.S. Who else saw this guy in

P.S. Who else saw this guy in N'awlins?

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March 6th, 2012 at 7:56 AM
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Why are you

Why are you listening to him anyway?

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March 6th, 2012 at 8:05 AM
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The banner we are going to

The banner we are going to hang... the one that will be there long after Gottleib is dead... disagrees with him.

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March 6th, 2012 at 8:06 AM
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The beauty of most sports is

The beauty of most sports is that games are won and lost on the field, and not in commentators' heads. It's a waste to get all worked up over what one commentator says. 

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March 6th, 2012 at 8:50 AM
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This post reminds me of the

This post reminds me of the "red cedar meltdown board" everytime someone is a big meanie to sparty.

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March 6th, 2012 at 9:12 AM
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I don't listen to ESPN

I don't listen to ESPN radio.  It is terrible radio.  Few interviews, a bunch of idiots ranting.  I can take Van Pelt.  The rest are terrible.  Gottlieb is one of the worst. 

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March 6th, 2012 at 10:05 AM
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one of???

is the worst, his voice, his opinions, he is a fill-in scrub

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March 6th, 2012 at 9:17 AM
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Gottlieb is on my no listen list

I automatically switch the radio station/TV channel if Gottlieb or Cowherd ever come up. Those guys make every dime they have based on making sports fans angry, and I'm not going to help their salaries by getting suckered in.

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March 6th, 2012 at 9:29 AM
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Now that we are getting back

Now that we are getting back to Michigan excellence in every sport, all the haters come out. This is routine shit that is just going to get worse. Cowboy up, because it will get worse. Just know we are Michigan and our W's will make them all shut their mouths.

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March 6th, 2012 at 9:33 AM
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This reminds me of an old

This reminds me of an old saying. "If someone hates you for no reason, give that mother f*cker a reason." Nottlieb is an idiot.

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March 6th, 2012 at 9:40 AM
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And MSU got to play Nebraska twice.

It's not like MSU didn't get some breaks - they played the Huskers twice, we only played them once, in Lincoln.  I'm pretty confident we would've beaten them in Ann Arbor.  No one's suggesting MSU got a free pass to the B1G title by beating up on Nebraska 2x.

It's a fact of life that 1-plays happen in basketball.

Hell, how many times did Wisconsin win the Big Ten in football when they missed Michigan and/or Ohio State?  It happens.

 

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March 6th, 2012 at 9:47 AM
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I reacted to this post by first looking up who Doug Gotlieb is.

Then I posted this.

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March 6th, 2012 at 10:15 AM
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Oh noz!!!

Gottlieb rattled the cage of the biggest rival of his guest?! I'm shocked! Shocked I say!

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March 6th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
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If you are expecting national

If you are expecting national radio personalities to love your team in the same biased, passionate way you do, that is not going to happen.  The farther you get from the epicentre of any fan base the more perspective you get.  Getting a share of the Big Ten title was an awesome stepping stone for this program and all the Beilein is doing to build the program.  But when you pull back and step away from the emotion of our rabid fanbase, we had a solid but not great season.  We had trouble at times winning on the road, especially against elite opponents.  We needed help to get a share of the title.  We needed one rival to lose and another to win and we were in a position where we had to cheer for our most hated rival.  That is not an ideal space to be in. 

As for Gottlieb, I hate to tell you this, but controversy sells.  Radio hosts are not there to stroke the egos of passionate fan bases.  They do not want nuance.  They want bold opinions stated without any subtlety.  If they can exploit Gottleib's own biases against Michigan to create controversy and sell ad time, then ESPN wins. By falling for it, Gottlieb wins and ESPN wins.  Every time one of us starts a thread like this, ESPN wins.

The lesson in all this is to have perspective and not get caught up believing your own rabid fanbase hype.  The other lesson is not to get bent out of shape when some national media host spouts what you see as outrageous opinions about your home team.  That is what he is paid to do.  The fact that you let you Gottlieb get you all stirred up, stirred up enough that rather that deal with his opinion as opinion, you instead attacked him as a person (He is Domer who got kicked out of school for stealing), simply demonstates that you are an irrational homer with no perspective.  If his opinion is so idiotic that its not worth dealing with, then why would you spend time dealing with it? 

Protip: Just because someone has biases, has youthful sins and indiscretions, and rubs you the wrong way does not mean they cannot be right.  If they are wrong, they prove them wrong.  Demonstrate it with facts and data (this, btw, is the heart and soul of what MGoBlog is about...proving that MSM types are idiots through the use of data...UFR anyone???).  When you start ranting about how Gottlieb is a "hater" and making ad hominum attacks, you expose yourself as just another stupid, irrational, homeboy fan, not unlike your typical Bucknut, Sparty, or Domer. 

Every time one of these Gottlieb or Cowherd is an idiot threads pops up, I end up feeling like we have embarased ourselves as a fan base.

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March 6th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
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You had a lot in your post

You had a lot in your post but I'm going to zero in on one pet peeve:

"We needed help to get a share of the title."

 

EVERYONE needed help to get a share of the title, which is basically always true unless a team goes undefeated in conference.  As soon as a team loses a conference game, no matter when that happens, that team "needs help" to win the title outright, and usually just to get a share.  MSU lost five conference games.  They beat us once.  That means they needed four other teams' help to win their share.  OSU lost five conference games and beat us once.  That means they needed four other teams' help as well (as did we).  

The fact that a particular win or loss comes during the last game is totally irrelevant to the point.

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March 6th, 2012 at 11:27 AM
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You make a good point, and

You make a good point, and what you say is similar to someone complain that one blown play or one blown call by the ref cost them the game.  What about the remaining plays?  While what you say is true, as the season unfolded, the truth is that we did not win enough games when we needed to in order to control our own destiny on that last day by our play on the court.  If we can point to a late season loss that cost us the outright win it was the egg we laid at home to Purdue.  Champions don't lay eggs like that when all the marbles are at stake.  We didn't win and as a result we needed help to secure a share of the title.  Had we won at home on that day we could have been outright champs with an undefeated home record.  The only team in control of their own destiny in terms of winning the Big Ten outright on that day was MSU and they laid an egg.  At that point all that we and OSU could do by winning was gain a share of the title. We did win and we could not have had a share of that title without the win.  But after that win, it still does not change the fact that we had to wait for our most hated rival to beat our second most hated rival in order to capture a share of the title.  Not the best place to be in.  At that point in the season we did indeed need help to win a share of the title.  While securing a share of the Big Ten title is a great stepping stone for the program, we could have, should have had it all.  For me it was bitter sweet success, knowing what could have been.

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March 6th, 2012 at 11:36 AM
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"But after that win, it still

"But after that win, it still does not change the fact that we had to wait for our most hated rival to beat our second most hated rival in order to capture a share of the title.  Not the best place to be in."

Are you saying that if our game with PSU was at 4 pm and the MSU-OSU game was at 1 pm (instead of the other way around) you'd have felt differently about the outcome(s) because of the illusion that we won our way into the position we ended up in as opposed to having to watch our rival "win it for us?"  That make no sense to me at all and I am going to respectfully submit that is an insane way to approach this.  That way of thinking really seems like a desperate attempt to find a way to NOT be thrilled with the accomplishment (hadn't been done since 1986--shared or otherwise) by this team.

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March 6th, 2012 at 1:12 PM
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You know what's not a good

You know what's not a good place to be in? Losing 2 straight games, one by what seemed like 40 points and the other on senior night, to end the season. Another bad place to be in: losing at Illinois (which both other teams we tied with did and we didn't) and losing to northwestern on the road. Or how about losing on senior night (did I already say that? Oh yeah, that's because all 3 B10 champs did it). All your rationalizing of needing things to happen is complete bullshit. We all lost 5 conference games and split against each other. We all lost games against teams we shouldn't have. Who cares when we played each team. We played Indiana on the road and Ohio State at home earlier in the year, so that means when MSU loses both at the end of the year it takes away from our championship? Ridiculous.

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March 6th, 2012 at 3:36 PM
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Help?

No one is saying that we didn't need help.  What was said was that we didn't deserve it and that is pure, unmitigated BS.

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March 6th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
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I heard his comment.  He was

I heard his comment.  He was pure trolling and laughing about it later.  He couldn't contain the laughter as he said "Michigan fans are blowing me up on twitter."  He did try to bait a former Ohio State player into saying Michigan didn't deserve it, but he wouldn't take the bait. 

He did toss in that he thinks Trey Burke is a great player and that he wasn't trying to take anything away from Michigan - bringing it full circle to one of my biggest pet peeves.  Oh and by the way, the correct form, Doug, is this -

"I'm not trying to take away from Michigan, but they don't deserve to be Big 10 Champions."

Grrr....If you are going to say something then just say it.  Don't tell me that I should interpret your statement any different than it's true meaning - simply because you prefaced it with a disclaimer.  Because in the end, he was simply trying to get a reaction in a day filled with nothing exciting to talk about.  I agree with lonewolf371 here, trolling is pretty common on ESPN Radio.  No need to feed the trolls on twitter.

Having said all that, Michigan deserves to hang a banner because we earned that right.  Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to ruffle your feathers.  Be proud guys, Michigan basketball is on a huge upswing right now.

 

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March 6th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
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This is why I don't listen to

This is why I don't listen to sports radio - it's just filled with idiots who like to start crap. 

MSU fans say the same thing about not playing at Wisconsin, as if MSU getting to play Nebraska twice didn't help their cause as well.  It's a conference schedule, and sometimes you miss a school and sometimes you get a nice break.  MSU could have won the title outright by not blowing two games at the end, and OSU could have done the same by beating Illinois. UM blew out Wiscy the first time they met, and while I definitely think Wisconsin would have been a tough game on the road, who knows what would have happened.

Gottlieb has always been a bit of a whiner and an attention-monger, and ranting about college basketball teams seems to be his go-to move.

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March 6th, 2012 at 2:47 PM
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I can't stand Gotlieb.  He is

I can't stand Gotlieb.  He is one of the worst guys on ESPN and that is saying something, because most of them are a awful.

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March 6th, 2012 at 3:14 PM
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Agree with the general sentiment here

Most radios come with variable tuners.  All you have to do is push a button and you get to listen to somebody else.  In a world rife with choices, it is really pretty easy to avoid those with whom one doesn't agree.  

When I really don't like a writer or a TV/radio personality, my choice is a simple one: I don't give them clicks, views, or listens.  With the exception of the Freep, I usually don't even do it out of spite; I just don't bother listening or reading people or subjects that don't draw my interest.  

The only thing I will say in ESPN's "defense" is that they have hired quite a few Michigan alums, so at least we get some counterpoint to the Gottliebs of the world.  

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