Well this is a perfect way to start my 21st birthday! Welcome fellas!
Double Hello: Freddy Canteen & Brandon Watson
Why not both? It only takes one hand to type.
Amateur. Voice-to-text and double fisted drinking FTW!
No. Voice-to-text implies there is a moment when his throat is not full of alcohol. Unacceptable.
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime - you better lose yourself - spaghetti, spaghetti, spaghetti, spaghetti
Straight up the butt!
I don't drink so I'm leaving it up for the MGoCommunity to drink for me, which I have no doubt in my mind that you guys will.
Respect for staying strong to your self. Happy birthday. Go enjoy a nice dinner instead.
course you don't drink yet. You have only just now become legal to do so.
To be honest I don't drink much anymore, either. Those days are mostly behind me. Props to you and all the money you'll save!
I got you covered.
Kudos to you, and happy birthday!
Maybe he's recovering from last night
Just don't end up in Bolivia!
What say you couch talent evaluators?
From my understanding there isn't a ton of junior film out there on either of them because their high school played so few games.
Back to the "commitments in pairs" meme
This is awesome news. Welcome Freddy and Brandon.
And it never hurts to open up a pipeline with a talent producing school like theirs.
What are the general opinions on these two?
From what I read you should be VERY excited about Freddy Canteen. He is supposedly one of the best route runners in the country and proven to be one of the toughest covers in recent camps.
Watson is basically unranked by every service but Rivals, who ranked him as a 3-star. Canteen is unranked to ESPN, a 3-star to Scout and a 4-star to Rivals.
My guess is these kids were only seen by Rivals...where/how? Not sure.
Canteen did a Rivals camp this spring in New Jersey.
Thanks - I also saw that Watson took the #1 spot in a 7-on-7 event in PA recently over a bunch of other 4-star Top 250 kids (including Montae Nicholson, KJ Williams, etc.) on Rivals. Pretty impressive.
Canteen is ranked #43 of 48 (!) 4-star receivers on Rivals. Of course a few will get their 5th stars (i.e. Harris), but many will also drop down to 3-star status.
Sam Webb just confirmed via his Twitter page. WELCOME TO THE BIG BLUE FREDDY & BRANDON!
Farewell Artavis Scott, we hardly knew ye :-(
You guys did get the memo the coaches are looking at 4 wr right and were extremely light on slots?
Sam Webb has explicitly stated that the 4 WR thing is NOT happening barring some really odd circumstances. The coaches probably got confirmation from Scott's "camp" that he will be committing to Clemson at The Opening and decided to give Canteen the go ahead to commit.
sounds very plausbible. Was not willing to concede Scott to Clemson yet, but now i think its a certainty
The last time I'm saying this: WE ARE NOT BIG BLUE!
Next time, I'm turning this blog around, kids.
We ARE NOT big blue!
They did not commit to the NFL Giants
So these guy committed to a Chess and Jeopardy playing IBM super computer?
Correction that was "deep blue" according to the travel channel the other night.
Class:2014 (High School)
Expect to see the recruitment of Brandon Watson to take off soon. The defensive back out of Elkton (Md.) Eastern Christian Academy recently camped at Michigan and came away with some good news.
Clearly these guys have skills that caused the coaches to jump at the chance to offer them at Michigan's camp. Did not have my seatbelt on today...no warning.
I like when they come in pairs.
That's what she said?
Commitments come in pairs, but now at exact same time? Nice.
I'm more curious for what this means for Westphal than Scott actually. Are we out of spots for DB or is there more room?
I am by no means locked in on this like Magnus or others but I would find it hard to believe the coaches would not take a Westphal commitment. I'm guessing that the coaches had a flier spot open for this class and Watson fit that. They'll still target McDowell, Westphal, Hand, Smith, Jackson (longshot) in my opinion.
I would guess maybe on DB spot left? The first of Westphal, Smith, and Nicholson?
What do you mean by "flier"? If you mean an unknown commodity, "flier" doesn't seem to be apt here. The coaches saw them up close and personal and immediately offered, in spite of being in on several other highly rated kids. These kids are legit players it would seem to me.
Michigan wants at least one safety in this class. They were recruiting Westphal for the slot corner position. I'm not sure if they'll start recruiting him for safety now or not. Regardless, Westphal has had his chances to commit, and he hasn't done so. I'm not a huge fan of Westphal's abilities, so I don't think it would be a huge loss of Michigan stopped recruiting him. I do think Michigan will still keep recruiting guys like Adoree' Jackson (though he'll go elsewhere), John Smith, and Montae Nicholson.
What do you think of Nicholson? We are in pretty good shape there, right?
I like Nicholson a lot. Michigan made his announced top five, but I think we're probably in his top two or three, if not the leader outright. He's pretty quiet about his recruitment, though.
I thought Nicolson was not thrilled with the depth chart at UM because he felt we had recruited too many DB's in the past two cycles and that UM was on the outside looking in for him. Has something changed?
IIRC, that rumor began and was shot down by Nicholson.
Watson is pretty jacked for a corner, and Canteen is rated a 4 Star on Rivals after some camp performances...
Other than that, I don't think anyone really has seen much from them...
However, my favorite commits are the ones who earn offers at camp...The coaches obviously have no doubt on their talents..
This isn't good news. This probably means we lost Williams, Scott and Westphal....great. But congrats to these two I hope they become big pieces to this team.
They're not done taking WR's or CB's
Check the link... Watson dominated this event that had players like Montae Nicholson, KJ Williams, Chris Godwin... All 4 Star players...
Remember, the coaches have probably seen more from these 2 players than most of our other commits...They have coached them already in camp haha
Kids come to camp, coaches see talent, coaches offer, and players commit. Like this process and totally trust Hoke and Co.
Welcome to the family!
Will this affect Adoree Jackson's decision at all?
Probably not, because Adoree' Jackson is aiming for the Olympics in the long jump, and Michigan isn't a great place to get him there. Jackson's not really a viable candidate for Michigan, frankly.
Hoping this changes eventually a la Drake Harris...
Unfortunately for us - but perhaps fortunately for Jackson - he probably has a better chance of being an elite long jumper than Harris had of being an elite basketball player.
I hope the coaches got something on mind here because looking at their offer list.....uh...
Welcome welcome though.
Astoot. I like that
I agree with you, however didn't a lot of mgousers make fun of OSU for taking a two star?
Aren't you the same 'astoot" poster that said "rich rod was ousted by Michigan fans because he is Mexican" yesterday in the Fab Five thread?
Reminds me of an exchange student some friends of mine hosted. She was being treated poorly at the high school she was attending because all the students thought she was Mexican. They eventually learned that she was from Spain and was really European. All of a sudden she became fairly popular and was treated much better.
High school students...SMH
but then I checked that thread and sure enough, there it was: "...fanbase that ousted RR cuz he was Mexican?"
So much FAIL in so few words. Impressive.
Regardless, sounds like a couple of nice additions to the '14 class. Until given a reason to think otherwise, I trust Hoke & Co. when it comes to recruiting.
And "It thought it was funny"....? You're not mad at those dirty Hobbittez for stealing your ring are you?
You aren't man enough to back up your threats. Not surprising.
And maybe you need to move back in with your parents. Because they obviously haven't finished teaching you how to write in English.
But this has to go down in the top ten of replies looking silly after a deleted poster.
If you really are "in the blue lot" I'm guessing it's to park cars.
I hate comments like these. Seriously the coaches just spent the last few days watching them first hand and working with them and the kids impressed but your iffy because they don't have offers from USC and Florida. Come on man. They play at a school that only played 3 football games last year and there is little to no film. Word on the pay sites, these 2 guys probably would have been blown up if they had played normal hs ball. During 7 on 7 canteen and Watson have been regarded as the most dynamic players at just about every event they have played in. I think you have to trust the coaches here. Should speak volumes that the coaches valued them as much as guys like Williams and westphal after just one camp appearance.
The difference between "blowing up" and "being blown up" cannot be understated.
Enjoy your Saturday!
At least he has some sleeper of the year candidates now!
Welcome to the class!
Ferns needs to get to the post office and get these kids their shirts!
This one must have been written by Yoda??
Does Rutgers have a big enough fan base for a meltdown? If so, I'd love to be reading that right now
They don't plus they have been really happy since a 4 star safety, Kiy Hester, committed to them yesterday.
They have grease trucks filled with fatcats. They have nothing about which to complain.
Wonder if this has to do with the Scott decision looming?
I don't agree with folks that this is a bad turn of events. If you start with the premise that that the coaches aren't stupid/understand game theory, the natural conclusion to me is that we are simply lacking a lot of critical information:
-these kids had limited offer lists and committed quickly after being offered. This tells me either we could have waited a lot longer if they actually weren't that good OR they were so good in person and so under scouted that we wanted to nab them before they blew up. The coaches are smart enough not to use up spots that can be filled a month before signing day on mediocre prospects now
-another possibility is we are going to experience more attrition than expected and thus have additional depth spots. I'm not going to take this as a huge negative as we can still go after all out plan A guys
-the only way this could be interpreted as bad news for a 'smart' coaching staff if it means they simply know we're whiffing badly on all our plan As, so badly we can't even make up ground between now and signing day, and don't think we can make inroads on other highly rated prospects that we aren't recruiting right now. Judging from the noises our plan A recruits are making, this doesn't sound super likely
a bad turn of events. I think people are just a little sensitive given what we have heard in the last week about the altered expectations for the class, and that we had been fairly used to hearing about only 4+ star guys we were recruiting. People have been really feeling like Scott/Westphal and a couple others were highly likely to come, and we've come back to earth a little bit, and so I think people hear "we picked up a couple guys who were recent offers who play similar positions as these other people" and think "Oh my God, no one is coming, the recruiting sky is falling." However, if you actually look at how this played out, it sounds like a couple guys who played in a set of circumstances where their exposure was fairly low nationally suddenly hit the camp circuit and turned out to be criminally underrated, and the staff said "Get these guys now", and so see them as good players whom they really want.
That is exactly my take, I was reacting to a few of the Debbie downers posting below
I trust Hoke and Co. Welcome aboard guys!
If they're good enough for Hoke, then they're good enough for me.
Welcome aboard, sirs.
One CB who happens to be the best in the country in Peppers
One CB who beat out more highly ranked competition in camp and earned an offer
I dig it
...when Jackson and Shazor were both All Americans? That was awesome!!
For some reason, the Double Hello is the best sort of "Hello" when it comes to commitment posts - always nice to see commits come in pairs.
"The M Block" had short interviews with each of them recently - HERE
Watson had said that he wanted to decide before the season so he could enroll early wherever he was going, and Canteen talked about his potential fit at Michigan as either a slot or outside receiver.
Welcome to Michigan, Freddy Canteen and Brandon Watson!
nice little summary/Q&A with the guys
Not cool. I log in to MGo and totally smacked my head on the dash! No one told me to assume the position of buckled up. What the hell. Not cool......(except for the receiving two commits part...which is pretty cool).
I think the NFL just got Denarded........they had to create a whole new position for the guy. Offensive Weapon. We need to use that as a recruiting meme, "Son, we had a guy up here last year that was so Dilithium the NFL had to create a new position. We think you are our next OW."
hate to break it to you but it was used before Denard even got to the NFL. I believe it was used for Devin McClustter(?) when he was drafted for the first year or two of his career
I believe you mean Dexter, but yes.
does anyone else think that their helmets look like haribo happy cola or fizzy cola snacks?
Ohio Pony Express just dispatched a courier to hand deliver Urbz offer. It remains to be seen if it is committable. Stay tuned.
Good for them and welcome to the family! Seemed like the Artavis Scott boat was sailing anyways. Not sure what's up with Westphal. But glad to have both Watson and Canteen. Go blue!
About the eastward pull of UMs recruiting since adding Rutgers and MD to the B1G?
The Penn State situation probably doesn't hurt with this either.
This is good. We need to build critical mass in eastern/mid atlantic recruiting before Penn State recovers and becomes a beast.
And Penn State will recover, BOB or not. Sanctions aside, Paterno had that program sleep walking for a decade.
I agree--not only because of Penn State, but also because we don't need Maryland or Rutgers developing into genuine threats either.
I grew up in Virginia and always wondered why it wasn't recruited more heavily by B1G teams. The state has great talent as does the DC/Maryland area. It would be nice to develop some permanent relationships with some of the better programs in that area. If we continue to aggressively recruit NJ, PA, VA, MD, plus the Midwest we can off set our disadvantage of recruiting in ESS EEEE CEEE territory.
Is worth 2 in the bush, I imagine 2 birds in hand are pretty valuable.
I trust the coaches as evaluators ahead of any recruiting service.
I know there is some talk of the coaches cooling, but I think Westphal still winds up in this class.
These two guys are exccited to get to play at a place with actual facilities.
This was a jolt. When I saw the "Hello:" post, I just assumed it was for another sport, that men's swimming just picked up a backstroke specialist or something.
I'm really curious to see these guys play. Hope their school can schedule a full slate of games this year.
Welcome to Ann Arbor Freddy and Brandon! Look forward to seeing you light up the Big House.
Just when Ace thought it was safe to sleep in on Saturday
Grats to both, Welcome to the familly.
I can't find film. Anyone have a link?
Reminds me of Tai Streets a little bit. Thanks for posting
if so, sounds like we still have room for 4-5 more?
Ohio fans are trolling us via Twitter for offering and accepting commits from seemingly unheralded recruits based on camp performances when M fans made fun of them for doing the same last week. Any merit to this?
Sometimes those Bobcats are going to have to take unheralded recruits. That's the way it goes in the MAC.
Stop. We get it. That's not actually the name of their school. But it's a whole lot less stupid than Meat Chicken so just please keep it to yourself if it really bothers you, because it is not that big of a deal.
I fail to see what "Meat Chicken" has to do with my criticism of "Ohio."
I don't know what your criticism of Ohio is, but we've discussed this. They spell it out with their arms and their band. They chant O H I O. As far as rivalry jabs go, this is not one to get worked up about because it isn't something unbecoming like scUM, O$U, suckeyes, or Meat Chicken. Yet you feel like it's your calling to comment every time anyone mentions Ohio while referring to the buckeyes. No one thinks its amusing but if you really want the mgoblog community to understand that you think it's stupid, continue along. Just know that it's getting tired
The "Ohio" thing is tired, too.
The difference is that the "Ohio" thing is annoying and can be confusing.
My pointing it out is just annoying. Adding "State" or typing "OSU" is pretty simple. If people really put their minds to it, I think it can be achieved.
By their fans or band.
Camp offers are my favorites. You get to test drive the car on your own roads, not just read about it.
Does anyone actually pay attention to trolling tweets? Why?
Ohio fans are trolling us via Twitter for offering and accepting commits from seemingly unheralded recruits based on camp performances when M fans made fun of them for doing the same last week. Any merit to this?
You've answered your own question.
Personally from what I've seen the Ohio State fans reacted pretty good on this. 11w has a thread on these two new Michigan commits and the comments are mainly of the consensus that an offer after camping means alot more than what any rating would say. Actually the reactions there were probably less trolling than the posts last week when Collier committed.
I love his route running abilities and vending capabilities.
looking forward to cheering for you both at the Big House!
Does anyone know if these two were visiting this weekend? I'm not sure if they phoned in the committments or delivered them while in A2. I'm feeling pretty good about the Canteen commit; however, I'm not as sure about Watson. This may be as much strategic as tactical IMHO. Thoughts?
Glad to have them in the fold. The painful thing about following MGoBlog is that you hear about some players that love Michigan for a couple of years (Josh Garnett, Treadwell, Scott, Westphal, Damien Harris) and you put them on your mental future Michigan players list. If they don't come we tear our clothes and gnash our teeth. The world is over. Then there are the Channing Striblings of the world (Canteens and Watsons) who you've never heard of but the coaches like at camp and end up being really good. Unlike a three year period in our recent past, I trust that our coaches can evaluate talent and get the players that they want. I'm excited for this small school to play some actual games and to hear about what fantastic steals we got here. Hearing about Channing Stribling's senior year was a lot of fun. It's great having coaches that don't do their recruiting by reading rivals/scout/ESPN/247.
I have nothing against Stribling, Canteen, or Watson, but these camp offers don't prove that the coaches know what they're doing. At this point, all three of those guys could be complete flops on the field.
I agree with this. There is a reason canteen has like 7 offers compared to Scott who has the top 25 major schools after him. These camps don't prove really anything to me. But this is where we have to trust the coaching staff.
Fair enough, and with all of the talent coming in it might be hard for them to make the field. It will be interesting to see if Hoke and Co. have the same prognosticating/coaching skills as Beilein.
Couldn't agree more, people always say trust the coaches but do you really believe a coach thinks he's making a bad decision...do you think Rich Rod planned that out...
It remains to be proven out that the coaches can spot the diamonds in the rough that the recruiting sites haven't. (I trust them.) But I think they have proven that they can recruit. From reading this site, it seemed like RR had some rocky relations with the Michigan H.S. coaches. Everything I've seen on our coaches is that Mihigan and Ohio HS coaches love them including that Ted Ginn Sr. piece in the Detroit News.
on the field.
Agreed. So the only offers/recruits/players that prove anything about our coaching staff's evaluation abilities are the ones who have seen playing time at Michigan already. The 2013 and 2014 classes are somewhat irrelevant as of June 29, 2013.
If it were obvious to everyone, I wouldn't have had to say it.
Of both of these young men. I doubt seriously this coaching staff watches a kid for one day and makes offers. There is background information that is gathered such as ACT, SAT, high school GPA, family, character, etc long before they get to camp if the coaches are interested. What good would it do to offer someone that can't make it in school. My son just went through the recruiting process and we had phone calls from other coaches telling us that a coach from this school called and asked about him. Not just his high school coach but coaches in the league and AAU coaches. They knew a lot about my son even before our official visit.
I'm sure the coaches do their homework, but let's not pretend that they only offer kids who are academically in the clear. Artavis Scott has grade issues, Aaron Burbridge had grade issues, Justin Turner had academic issues, Adrian Witty, Antonio Kinard, the list goes on and on.
Since everyone could be a flop (look at justin turner and all of his 5*s), has Hoke and staff shown they are not particularly good at judging WR (or any position) talent?
Did they offer and recruit a disproportionate amount of busts? I'm just curious, because given any of the recruiting sites or any top college's staff, I'll assume the college coaches know far more than writers for websites.
I'm not making the argument that Hoke can't identify wide receiver talent. It might be true or it might not, but I don't have the inclination to do the research at the moment.
The point is not that he and his staff are bad at it. The point is that offers, by themselves, mean nothing. Just because a kid gets an offer at camp doesn't mean we should "trust the coaches" any more than if a kid gets an offer based on watching his games live or watching film only. Hell, the coaches might hit 80% on film offerees and then strike out completely on camp offerees.
At this point, there's no evidence to reach a conclusion either way. That's all I'm saying.
As an untrained guy, I would think a camp is better than film. A coach can have the best corner cover a guy and see if he gets desperation. In high school, with all of the talent discrepancy, you never know who is covering a WR
At a camp, hoke can say, Jabril, cover this guy with Wilton as his QB and recruit Y helping on the double team/ safety spot.
It's a more controlled environment, which means coaches can better evaluate talent, right?
Camps are a mixed bag. Yes, you can see if a kid can get separation, but you're also not watching a kid who's wearing 15 pounds of equipment, who's worried about getting nailed by a safety as he goes up for the catch, who's terrified when the lights go on. It is a more controlled environment, but that's not necessarily a good thing.
There are positives and negatives to game film, camps, etc. Perhaps these coaches are better at evaluating guys in person. Perhaps they're better when watching film. Maybe they're great or terrible at both.
I appreciate your knowledge.
First 14 recruit under six foot tall.
Watson supposedly is 6'0" now, although if he's saying that, it probably means he's 5'11". Everybody exaggerates a little...
It's always great when someone chooses Michigan. But I'm a llittle concerned about their high school and its commitment to academics, because I want our kids to succeed off the field and on.
Let's hope they have reasonably good ACT/SAT scores. Eastern Christian Academy's teaching methods are pretty non-traditional. ECA sounds like a high school version of the University of Phoenix.
Word to the wise, just because someone posts a comment that you don't agree with doesn't make it "trolling". Gotta love this place
Maybe people just don't know the definition of "trolling."
To those who are uneasy about consuming one space on a limited roster with an unheralded recruit like Freddy Canteen, trust me-- there is no reason for fear. This kid has otherworldly footwork. When he gets on the field, he's going to be open 50% of the time no matter who is covering him.
Don't believe? Check out the video of him performing receiver drills: Even a football enthusiast who only played high school ball will immediately see and understand. Agility of this sort is extremely rare. And he's still working at it. Hard.
And based on every report I have read of the recent Michigan camp (where he was offered), this footwork translates into routerunning.
Can't wait to see Canteen in the slot. He's going to break some ankles.
I remember seeing an SI article on his school, and it turns out, they have the whole thing online. Heres some more insight into his school and what they do: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/magazine/08/22/high-school-footbal...
if these are players Hoke wants.....and gets.....then I am happy.
haven't seen it mentioned, but at a camp, you might get a feel for how coachable a kid is. very valuable and worth an extra star or two.