Just recieved a text from ESPN stating D. Warren will enter the 2010 NFL Draft.
Dang beat me to it..but yes this really hurts..It's going to be interesting to see who steps up next year at the corner spots. Anyways i wish Donovan the best of luck. Overall, i believe he was a good, consistant corner for us and i'm curious to see where he goes in the draft.
I just don't see him going very high in this draft. In my opinion, this was a bad decision. If he wants to make money, fine, but even with the salary cap he'll make more money if he goes in the first round of a draft with a rookie salary cap than if he goes in the third round of one without a salary cap. I've always thought it was a bad decision to leave early for the draft if you're not for sure going to be a first or second round pick. At the worst, your draft stock won't improve the next year, but more than likely you will be able to raise it by staying another year. In the case of staying, the rewards greatly outweigh the risks.
I really believe a lot of these juniors are being told that there's going to be a lockout and a rookie slotting system. I'll bet the lockout is a major motivator.
I just heard on Fox Sports radio that there might be 75 juniors entering the draft this year.
Time for Turner and the rest of the boys to step their game up
ESPN's text: Dnvn 2 NFL. U shud cum 2 ESPN 4 more info.
UM's Dnvn Wrrn 2...[2 continue reading u must be n insider]
I wonder if he's making the right decision. Isn't he projected for the 3rd round? A bird in the hand, I suppose.
Losing juniors is not what we need right now and him leaving doesn't help. But I do wish him success in the pros, he's a great athlete and player.
I don't think this is a very good decision by Warren. I see this working out like it did for Shazor. Where is he now? I hope it works out well for him.
Well, at least Donovan isn't coming off of an absolutely terrible performance in the Rose Bowl. Shazor's pretty decent draft stock bottomed out after getting repeatedly torched by Texas. Just an atrocious game. Yet he went pro anyway.
I like Donovan a lot but I agree that there are some Shazor similarities. IMO Shazor had a better career yet he still needed that 4th year for some polishing. But good luck to Donovan, i'm hoping he gets a high draft pick and doesn't forget about UofM.
I think Warren is a little bit raw, but I expect him to be a successful NFL player in a couple years. He has all the tools - speed, physicality, strength, size. Once he can get to the NFL and play in a system that doesn't change every 6 months or so, I think he'll flourish.
Is Cullen Christian good enough to start opposite Turner next season? Seems like Turner and Woolfolk would be the probable starting duo, if Emilien can step into a starting safety role.
Did Cullen Christian commit?
... oh s---.
I wish I could "mess around" with the NFL. How bout getting some studs to step up immediately and shore up that porous secondary.
I don't think I've ever been more depressed with my sports teams than I am this year. Please Santa bring me something awesome this year.
Good luck to Donovan. Thanks for coming to Mich. Best of luck in the NFL and come back to get your degree.
Never again in a Michigan uniform will Donovan Warren crank that. I am a sad polar bear :(
Justin Turner, Troy Woolfolk, Boubacar Cissoko, Cullen Christian, JT Floyd, Adrian Witty, Mount up...
It was a clear black night, a clear white moon.
Was there some info out of the NFL, or some date, that triggered this? Donovan's enrollment for the next term?
["Denial" is always the first stage.]
"Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez said the junior had asked the NFL Draft Advisory Board to project when he would be selected if chose to go pro. Warren says he was told he would be taken in the first or second round."
I knew that that was coming. But I wasn't sure how the Draft Advisory Board worked; whether it was strictly a matter of private communication between the Board and the draft prospects.
I wonder how many players that the Board can "project" in the first two rounds? The Board would lose credibility pretty quick if its projections were blown up. Does anybody track that?
I think the Sam Bradford injury has had an impact on many players' decision to leave early.
I also thought the NFL was considering a cap on rookie salaries after this year.
I wish him well.
guys who leave early always drop down a peg or two in my adoration. Despite the money, I don't see what the hurry is. Why give up eligibility when you have a chance to really cement your name in UM history. The Carters, Longs, Bradys, Edwards, Hennes etc. will always hold my favor over the Webbers, Roses, Manninghams, Hensons, etc. Few will ever be remembered as great pros, but they would always be remembered as great Wolverines.
I wish you well, Donovan. Go Blue!
Tripp Welborne, thats why guys leave early, I don't begrudge anyone leaving early because you never know whats coming on the next play...
Doesnt make it suck any less for UM though. Good luck Donovan I hope you have great success in the NFL.
And I remember him well. But, the players these days likely don't.
I agree with the statement that its more likely the Sam Bradford story. That had to get a lot of juniors thinking about the draft. Better to take a chance on a mid-level draft choice than get the career ending injury playing in a senior season.
So he should give up a realistic shot at millions of dollars to return and play another year for what projects to be, at best, a mediocre Michigan team, despite the risk of suffering a catastrophic injury that will end his pro career before he starts? And if he instead decides to do what is best for his and his family, rather than coming back to make your Michigan-viewing experience marginally better next year, he drops in your estimation? Mighty selfish of you.
that's why a lot of players do (or should) purchase it. i think he's giving up some bigger upside by not staying.
IIRC, it used to be a $3 million policy. I'm sure Donovan would qualify.
Looks like it's been increased to $5 million through the NCAA as of this year.
don't worry about it
I liked how you left out Howard and Woodson from the leaving early list. Unless you forgot about them, it's kind of picking and choosing the players who that favoritism applies to. But I still agree on your main point. The part that makes me kind of angry is that he said he would be coming back. I don't understand why he would say that when he didn't intend to stick to his word.
"Angry"? He didn't "stick to his word"? Are you serious? He's a 20 year old kid who made the best decision for him and his family. He owes nothing to you. In any case, he never said he was coming back - he's always set he was going to consider the NFL, even if some of the Pollyannas on this board didn't take him seriously. And even if he had said he was coming back, what difference does it make to anyone if he changes his mind? It's not like the team avoided recruiting cornerbacks because they thought Warren was back for another year.
I don't think he ever said he was definitely coming back. At least, I never saw that quote anywhere.
(The dinner, not the season.)
...then had to screw it up with the rest of it...
I guess "angry" wasn't the word I was looking for. Obviously he doesn't owe me anything and I didn't mean to make it sound that way. What I meant to say is that I had my hopes up that he would be staying after early reports I heard indicated he would probably stick around.
I am sure a number of players would play all four years if they could be guaranteed they would not be injured. But one bad play and millions can go out the window. Look at Bradford this year. He would have been the #1 draft pick last year. Now they are not sure if he will even be the first QB taken.
For a not insignificant number of players who come from poor families leaving earlier for the NFL means they can give a good life to their family an year earlier. That's nothing to be scoffed at. And of course the risk of your stock dropping, injury, etc.
As disappointing as this is, I understand the decision. Because of the terrible depth he kept being asked to play like a Safety, and probably didn't want another season of that to affect his draft status. I hope he does well, but I hope even more that he reconsiders.
but I think we are still going to see an improvement in the secondary...
Justin Turner is a 5 star guy and will be in his second season.
JT Floyd will be a rs soph and hopefully can improve enough to be serviceable. If Cissoko can make it back, that would give us two third-year players to shore up that second position, plus a few good rookies to compete for playing time.
Woolfolk needs to go back to FS or we will be toast again.
I don't think he's ready personally, but I remember a few years ago Rich Rod was promising CB recruits that Warren would be 3 and out. So I guess he fulfilled his promise.
Good for him. While it hurts to see him leave early, he is probably making the best choice for himself and his future, and I'm not going to fault him for it. Another year playing a hybrid corner/safety on a bad defense probably doesn't look that appealing. I'll still cheer him on wherever he goes, and hopefully he can make it in the NFL.
Still, the DB cupboard doesn't look horrendously bare. Turner should be good, Cullen should be a nice addition, and Floyd and Wollfolk have proven to at least be competent. Will the secondary struggle next year? Sure. But here's hoping some continuity in the coaching staff will help to offset some of those struggles, including Warren's departure.
If you had a shot at your dream most of us would take it...and with the uncertainty in the NFL with the league/union it likely looks like the safer option at this point. If you were staring at potential NHL like rookie cap you would want to definitely get out before that came in. I agree the cupboard's not totally bare and hopefully one of the many DB's recruited will turn out to be an early dominant player.
The losses of Warren and Graham will hurt, but there should be enough improvement across the board to sustain the momentum gained by a strong performance against OSU. GERG needs to stay so that we aren't looking at four DC's in four years.
If that happens, they should be a pleasant surprise.
covering all the Michigan receivers now playing in the NFL.
Is 2009 over yet? This year blows.
No question it would have been better if he stayed. If JT is as good as they say, we could have had two lock down corners next year (quite a turnaround from this year). But, no sense crying over it. And we are going to be very close to our 85 scholarship cap with the incoming class, depending on who we offer to stay as 5th year seniors and what we do with Kovaks (RR said he wanted to find a scholarship for him). So long as RR tops off this class with good defensive players, we will be fine.
We should wish Warren good luck. No way he goes in the 1st round (2nd is questionable too), but it still is probably a smart decision for him given the salary cap situation.
Mistake by Warren, if you ask me. Unless you are a first rounder, or at the very least, an early 2nd rounder, you should stick around for your senior year. Warren isn't going to get the big bucks as a rookie.
I imagine that when these guys hear things like "you could potentially go in the first, but more likely in the second or third", all they're hearing is first round. They're used to being the best at their position, and they've been treated like the best for their entire athletic careers. All of these guys on the bubble think that they're going to go into the combine and tear it up -- and this confidence is a big part of the reason why they're so good in the first place.
Either way, let's hope he sneaks into the first so we can keep selling recruits on the Marlin Jackson/Leon Hall/Donovan Warren trend... lord knows we need guys that can play the position.
Nothing against those other guys, but it will probably be a few years before we can sell them on Donovan. And Leon and Marlin are not household names.
I would sell them on CWood, repair the relationship with Ty Law and pimp his name out there also. Man, I wish we could have had the chance to do the same with Tripp Welborne.
Perhaps playing on teams that finished 3-9 and 5-7 dampened his enthusiasm for playing CFB, not to mention that he committed to play at UM under Carr (and more specifically his family friend, Ron English) rather than RR and his revolving DC policy.
Thanks for your service, DW, good luck in the NFL!
As many posters have pointed out, we have enough touted and not-so-touted young players at CB for me to think we've got a good chance of fielding two pretty decent corners. But not to fool ourselves, this is still a significant blow to the defense. If Woolfolk has to stay at CB, that hurts our already iffy S position. And having an experienced CB you can trust to play man gives you a good deal more flexibility in coverages and blitzes.
I think Warren could have improved his stock with another season - but given the salary cap uncertainty, its hard to know what that might be worth. I'm disappointed he's leaving, but can't blame him, really.
Our secondary can only go up from here, though
With the salary cap conundrum, this is the best decision for him. Damned rules. He would probably stay otherwise (just a hunch).
Best of luck to him
Let's be realistic. Any gains we might see in DC stability and recruiting will be offset by youth and lack of size. 2011 may be a beacon of hope, b/c I think these kids will develop well. But 2010 will be a another defensive mess. I think we need to reconcile ourselves to this now. It will hurt less later.
Also, we need to hope our offense scores 42+ pts a game for a winning season.
I can't blame Donovan. But there is little silver lining to his exit.
No other way to put it. Pray to the football gods that a) we can somehow manage to replace both Warren and Graham, b) the rest of the secondary will improve dramatically, c) our linebackers won't be a complete disaster again, and d) in the event that a, b, and/or c do not work out, may our offense score touchdowns on 95% of our possessions.
I wish him all the best. Unfortunately, I have a hard time believing this is the best decision for his career. I hope he proves everyone wrong.
Are you the same Marc from Novi that is the recruiting guru? If so, you got game.
Thanks for listening.
You know things are bad at CB when everyone's praying Cissoko will be back. Ugh...
I don't care if I'm in the minority on this. This is a team sport. We recovered over losing Ty Law and Charles Woodson early and I would never put him in the same conversation as Woodson. We even got over losing Tom Curtis. No one person is bigger than the team or his side of the ball.
I congratulate him on wearing our colors with pride and giving his all out there. He could have easily complained about going from beating the defending national champs to two losing season. He never transferred or got in trouble. He never embarrassed this University. And I don't care if he's even a 3rd round draft pick. He will prove any doubters wrong and show that we still put out great corners.
Make us all proud that you're a Wolverine. Make the Pro Bowl and show all that Michigan is still a great place to be for DBs.
(And I pray that nothing bad comes to light about the way you were coached at UM.)
i love michigan football. i think my head would explode if i got to run out of the tunnel and jump and touch the banner. and all the rest of the stuff. that is me. for these guys, though, the decisions to go or stay are a little more complex.
best of luck, do us proud
Do Work in the League.
Maybe Jozy Altidore
Can play cornerback.
Charles Woodson left
Forgoing his senior year
See how it hurt him?
Fare thee well though you are not
As good as Woodson.
It had to have been a super difficult decision for Donovan and his family. I think we should all be happy for him and continue to cheer him on and support him 100%.
He'll always be a Wolverine.
on the other hand Woolfolk and Floyd will have good experience. Turner should be ready to roll. Hopefully Witty is a quick study and contributes early on. Booboo may be back. And we're recruiting what...about 17 defensive backs in the 2010 class? So maybe one of those fine young freshmen will step up.
Don't you want to fast forward two years to see how STACKED the secondary is going to be?
god help us
The younger players, who are themselves talented and competitive sorts, will see a big opportunity here. I'm thinking we will see them step up their game more than if DW were sticking around (I know it's a counterfactual fallacy but screw it. We need a silver lining here).
Guys, we all knew this was happening. We have a few good young DB's on the team currently, and a handful of promising guys coming in. Finding 4 solid starters shouldn't be impossible.
We lost 3 players, but we return 8 out of 11 starters, and have so many young kids who should improve dramatically from 2009 to 2010. We are not in that deep of a whole.
However, hope the offense scores mondo points. The defense will not be atrocious, but it won't be amazing either.
will hope the offense scores mondo points. This single decision by our young Californian may very well affect the whole ball of wax. The stability of our program is less safe after this announcement.
I'm not saying we're in troubled waters, but it's a little closer to our boat with Warren not in it.
Good luck in the pros DW. You'll be missed.
I was hoping that for Christmas I would get the news that DW was staying for an extra year, but I guess I will have to settle for Sean Parker committing instead (fingers crossed).
I was one of the people that said I thought he would be lucky to get drafted in before mid third round, and I srill don't know that I am wrong, but still, I can't say I blame him.
None of us have any idea what the factors are that have lead him to make this decision but I am sure he is making the one that benefits him most.
We often hear that someone should stay the extra year to better develop their skills before heading to the NFL, but does anyone honestly think he won't develop just as much there as he would here? Seriously, I think the NFL can develop talent every bit as much as college teams can, plus you can be making money at the same time.
I had to spend 12 years in University to finish my medical degree and if someone had offered me the chance to leave early and still make the money I am now, I would have done it in a heart beat.
Good luck DW. Hopefully you are the next great UM DB in the NFL. Following in the footsteps of past UM greats like Woodson, Jackson, Hall, Law etc.