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Doles to visit for IU game. Commit watch?

Tommy Doles is visiting for the basketball game against IU. I thought since "Coach" Brown can call out a commitment watch everytime someone visits,then i can too. 

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March 5th, 2013 at 7:34 PM | belt buckle (Score:-1 Overrated)
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ENGAGE

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March 5th, 2013 at 7:34 PM | Coach Brown says to (Score:-1 Overrated)
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Coach Brown says to un-buckle.

"Are you an official here?Because you've officially given me a boner."

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March 5th, 2013 at 7:43 PM | Coach Brown or not, it's not (Score:5 Normal)
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Coach Brown or not, it's not a bad idea to be on commit watch every time Doles comes to campus from now until he commits anywhere.  Not just because we're his leader, but also because we just picked up a commit from an interior lineman and it's likely we only take one more.  

It's not a now or never situation for him, but the pressure is on him a little bit.

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March 5th, 2013 at 7:48 PM | I KNEW IT I KNEW IT HOKE DOES (Score:5 Normal)
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I KNEW IT I KNEW IT HOKE DOES PRESSURE RECRUITS

 

/rcmb'd

"The last Saturday in November at 12 o'clock, that ball being kicked off, there’s nothing like it." - Coach Hoke

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March 5th, 2013 at 7:57 PM | I've heard this argument made (Score:5 Normal)
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I've heard this argument made by Sparty fans before, and I don't get it at all.  Do they only offer one kid per position at a time?  Of course not.  I'm sure MSU has more scholarships out than they have room for, and I'm sure they have to tell some kids at some positions that they won't be recruiting them anymore because that position is full.  I imagine every single school that offers scholarship does this.  

So stupid.

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March 5th, 2013 at 9:01 PM | Honestly, the reason they (Score:4 Normal)
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Honestly, the reason they feel that way is because they have a lot less options.

I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

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March 5th, 2013 at 10:16 PM | False.  You haven't been (Score:5 Normal)
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False.  You haven't been listening to MSU fans closely enough to really understand what's going on.  Here's basically what happens:

The recruit shows up in Ann Arbor to see Michigan.  As he's getting ready to leave, Hoke invites him into his office.  As soon as the recruit and his parents step in, Hoke locks the door and eats the key.  He then tells the recruit that he has to commit or else someone will take his spot.  When the commit says no, Hoke says, "MOTHERFUCKER, YOU WILL COMMIT."  Just as the kid starts crying (and bravely calling Coach Dantonio), Hoke grabs a knife and holds it to the mom's neck.  The brilliance here is that the kid's dad is secretly in on it, since the kid would never go to Michigan without his dad pressuring him.  Dad pleads with the recruit to spare his mom's life.  The recruit commits, Hoke opens the door, and on the way out Mattison maniacally yells, "You're gonna be the next Terrell Suggs!"

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March 5th, 2013 at 10:35 PM | So that's why (Score:5 Normal)
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we're always happy when the recruit's parents accompany them on trips here.

Eating is murder.

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March 5th, 2013 at 10:41 PM | Argue with idiots and you'll (Score:5 Normal)
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Argue with idiots and you'll never win.  There's no better way to describe debates with Sparty fans.

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March 6th, 2013 at 6:29 AM | Arguing with stupid people (Score:3 Normal)
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Arguing with stupid people will bring you down to their level, then you will lose on experience.

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March 5th, 2013 at 9:13 PM | Every staff pressures (Score:2 Normal)
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Every staff pressures recruits to commit. Some are more overt than others, but the pressure is still there. I can't say what Michigan's staff does, but I'd be really surprised if they don't tell kids how many spots are open at a given position, tell them they can't dilly-dally, and then tell them they'd like them to commit. Every coach in America does a version of that. Some may be more or less pushy, but they all pressure kids to commit.

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

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March 6th, 2013 at 10:56 AM | It's just information (Score:4 Normal)
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If a kid is interested in your school and he is an OL and you plan to recruit 4 OL and one interior lineman has signed up, telling him you have 3 spots left and 2 are going to OT prospects and he plays the interior isn't pressure, it's information.  If the kid is sure he wants your school, he understands it is time to make a decision.  If he is not sure, he can take his chances, look around, and risk not having the offer.  That is actually fair to the kid, not a bad thing.  Worse is to let him think there are a couple slots out there when there are not, or to say nothing while you work a higher-rated prospect to commit to the open spot.

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:00 PM | COACH BROWN KNOWS ALL. (Score:-1 Normal)
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COACH BROWN KNOWS ALL.

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:01 PM | With this and news of a (Score:1 Normal)
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With this and news of a Peppers visit soon, I've put together my midly realistic dream class -

Offense -

Speight

Hood

Harris

Lattimore

Bars

Cole

Doles

Defense -

Hand

McDowell

Marshall

Mone

Ferns

Booker

Peppers

Westphal

Nicholson

 

That's 16 which I'm sticking with until I hear something otherwise about attrition bringing numbers up.  With Gardner getting his 5th year does it mean currently that class can only expect 15?

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:10 PM | If we (Score:5 Normal)
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If we got this class, this would be a tremendous success and would rival USC's class (pre-decommitapalooza) from last year. That being said, I find this to more along the lines of dream class than a realistic one.

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:11 PM | Hood really looks to be going (Score:1 Normal)
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Hood really looks to be going to Notre Dame. Marshall just really seems to favor the Spartans and OSU more for some reason. But the rest of those guys do seem very high on Michigan(minus two guys I'll mention below). I think I'd take Adoore(probably just butchered that spelling) if Marshall doesn't come, and I'm sure Michigan could find someone to fill the Hood void in your dream line-up. Not that Marshall or Hood won't come to Michigan, they just seem to favor other teams more.

I also can't say I've heard Lattimore or Nicholson in relation to Michigan that much either, but that's just because I haven't followed recruiting a ton.

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:13 PM | Montae Nicholson has visited (Score:3 Normal)
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Montae Nicholson has visited Michigan a couple times and mentioned us as one of his top choices.

Twitter - Recruiting Update: June 17

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March 6th, 2013 at 1:22 AM | Thanks Magnus, your insight (Score:2 Normal)
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Thanks Magnus, your insight is always very much appreciated. I honestly hadn't seen anything even on here that I remembered about him.

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:19 PM | I don't think Booker is high (Score:3 Normal)
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I don't think Booker is high on Michigan. 

Greetings from Bolivia.

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March 5th, 2013 at 9:33 PM | "I also can't say I've heard (Score:2 Normal)
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"I also can't say I've heard Lattimore or Nicholson in relation to Michigan that much either, but that's just because I haven't followed recruiting a ton."

Stop it, RDT.

Just... stop.

 

"Oh no, no, I'm not in the group yet. No, I'm afraid I just blue myself."

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March 6th, 2013 at 1:23 AM | Your new obsession with me is (Score:4 Normal)
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Your new obsession with me is quite amusing. If you could honestly stop with the whole RDT thing though, that would be fantastic! Thanks.

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:33 PM | Adoree Jackson (Score:2 Normal)
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I would take over Peppers

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:07 PM | Coach Brown (Score:3 Normal)
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speaks to recruits and actually has reason to suggest commit watch. He suggested Mason Cole would commit and was one day off. You on the other hand....

2014 Offer List BOYCOTT ADIDAS

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:11 PM | He does speak to (Score:4 Normal)
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He does speak to recruits...

...but lots of people thought Cole might commit.

Twitter - Recruiting Update: June 17

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:13 PM | sinse (Score:2 Normal)
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its people like you,is the exact reason i posted the thread the way i did. thank you.

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:16 PM | Yeah (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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Yeah I'm not really sure where all of this hate for Coach Brown is coming from. He doesn't even make money off of his website or anything like that. He provides good information for free and talks to a lot of the recruits and commits and yet everyone seems to rag on him. He also predicted Ferns to us way before anyone else (any of the paysites) did. He probably has a better track record for predictions than Tremendous had back when he was free. They used to get their predictions wrong a lot of the time right before decisions were being made, Ty Issac and Drake Harris off the top of my head, and never got this kind of consist hate from people on here.

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:24 PM | Most of the hate comes from (Score:3 Normal)
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Most of the hate comes from guys like Tim S. and Steve (Tremendous) and reader loyal to those sites..  Coach Brown went on the 247sports recruiting thread and gave some information only to be flamed by Tremendous.

He has "mspeedkills" working with/for him now.  That guy has been accused by may for stealing "insider" content and putting it on his twitter.

 

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:34 PM | I agree with your first (Score:5 Normal)
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I agree with your first paragraph -- Tim S and Tremendous shouldn't try to dissuade people from listening to him solely because he is a competitor (assuming his information is gathered in an ethical manner), but if you don't think that mspeedkills is just a tweeter of paywalled information, then you're smoking something.  Mspeedkills' only connections are the money he sends Scout/Rivals/247 for premium access.

"It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach."

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:52 PM | I don't really follow what (Score:3 Normal)
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I don't really follow what mspeedkills says so I don't know.  I just know he has been accused by many for tweeting premium content.

I just added that thing about mspeedkills because if he is actually working with/for Coach Brown, people are going to think that the info that Coach Brown provides is stolen as well.

Greetings from Bolivia.

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March 5th, 2013 at 9:00 PM | A couple of the mods over at (Score:4 Normal)
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A couple of the mods over at Rivals are pretty prickly (Tim Sullivan and Chris Balas).  I don't follow Mspeedkills on Twitter but I've seen his stuff retweeted, and it almost always seems to be paywalled content that he passes off as his own.

Twitter - Recruiting Update: June 17

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March 5th, 2013 at 9:15 PM | I understand (Score:3 Normal)
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I understand that some people that use the paysites get upset when they think someone is "stealing" info from a paysite and reporting as their own, but when he is actually interviewing recruits and and talking to them and their family members, I'm not sure how you can hate on the guy for getting that information out there. I don't have a twitter, so I can't say I know much about that angle. The fact that I got negged multiple times for saying nothing inflammatory or incorrect and just trying to point out that he is a Michigan fan and actually has an informed opinion on when recruits might make a decision just shows how immature people can be when it comes to this stuff. I'm not sure if anyone saw the converstion a little while ago on 247, but Steve pretty much tried to call him out and was very unprofessional in doing so and yet people are ripping on a guy giving you free information he is getting from recruits on his own time. Hell, Logan Tuley Tillman obviously thought highly enough of him to do a personal recording for his website almost a year ago  so its not like he just started either, and he also got one of the first Project 135 shirts from Ferns so he actually has good relations with recruits.

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March 6th, 2013 at 9:16 AM | I don't know anything about Coach Brown..... (Score:2 Normal)
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I don't follow him or this mspeedkills guy (or anyone else on twitter for that matter) but I got enough exposure to Steve on this website (and never visited tremendous) to think that what you say about him in your post is probably pretty accurate. I know lots of people here liked the guy, but I always found him a tad unprofessional. But that's just my opinion. 

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March 5th, 2013 at 9:43 PM | "Coach Brown went on the (Score:2 Normal)
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"Coach Brown went on the 247sports recruiting thread and gave some information only to be flamed by Tremendous."

I think that some of that venom stems from him constantly trying to hijack the comment section of Tremendous' facebook page. He used to go on there and post every 5-10 minutes with a small bit of info and a link to his site and from judging by Steve's reaction, he probably did not ask him permission before hand.

I'm not pretending to know the whole story or either person involved, but I don't think it is unreasonable to be pissed at a guy who has tried for months to, for lack of a better word, mooch off your audience to further his personal gain, especially without asking.

 

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March 5th, 2013 at 10:11 PM | I was put off by his constant requests to (Score:4 Normal)
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prospects to follow him, or dm him. I don't care for that regardless of the source. It will take a while before that won't be the second thing that comes to mind when I see the name.

 

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March 5th, 2013 at 11:11 PM | Twitter (Score:1 Normal)
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I ask prospects to follow me after I follow them so we can communicate.  That is what Twitter is for.  Also, to my knowledge, I have never asked a recruit to DM me.  I ask them to follow, if they choose to oblige, I message them once it happens.  I can't understand why using Twitter exactly the way it was designed to use is a turn off for some.

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March 6th, 2013 at 12:01 AM | creeper? (Score:4 Normal)
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I think that many fans think that following high school kids on twitter or contacting them is creepy.

you may think its ok, and this is Murica, so do your thing...

but I think it's creepy and exploitive.

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March 6th, 2013 at 9:26 AM | Really? (Score:2 Normal)
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I don't know you so I'm not going to judge you, but the statement that you use twitter the exact way it's supposed to be used so what's the problem makes me think you might have some issues with your ability to reason.

Personally I hate twitter and don't use it, but I can see why some people might do so. I don't think people here have any issue with people who use twitter "the way it's supposed to be used" when it is done with people of your respective age group. When adults start following kids and asking them to follow them is when people start getting upset. 

If you're an adult, follow and communicate with other adults. Don't follow kids and pester them to follow you...that's just creepy. 

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March 6th, 2013 at 1:29 PM | As opposed to calling a (Score:1 Normal)
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As opposed to calling a recruit constantly?  Tremendous, Sam Webb, pretty much every recruiting guy does that.  Tweeting/facebook/whatever social media is an extension of that.

IMHO calling a 17 year-old's cell phone seems as creepy as twitterstalking.  And Tremendous was accused of being a stalker on this very board when he first got up and running...to label someone who is essentially trying to do what Tremendous did (get good info, post it for free, and try to parlay that into some sort of income, presumably) is a little bit hypocritical

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March 6th, 2013 at 2:10 PM | I don't see the word Tremendous in the post you are (Score:1 Normal)
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replying to. Are you trying to convince us, or yourself.

Personally, I don't care about any of them. I can't unsee the things I have read, however.

Do you by any chance have a dog?

 

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March 6th, 2013 at 1:56 AM | So Tremendous was mad at (Score:3 Normal)
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So Tremendous was mad at Coach Brown for riding his coat tales.  Got it.  

It totally makes sense because Tremendous drove traffic to his site out of thin air, it's not like he posted info or links on any bigger sites like, oh, say, this one for example.

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(FWIW I think this Coach Brown guy is off-putting in how he goes about things.  But for Tremendous to get pissed at Coach Brown for basically doing the same thing Tremendous did here is just disingenuous.)  

 

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March 6th, 2013 at 9:56 AM | Yup (Score:0 Normal)
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Don't know anything about this speedkills character but Coach Brown runs a free recruiting site in Tremendous' stead and he is favored by commits and recruits. That's enough for me. You guys can keep your platitudes. I'll take the recruiting info thanks.

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March 6th, 2013 at 9:20 AM | I agree with what you are saying... (Score:2 Normal)
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but that is almost exactly what Steve was doing on this site when he first got going. That was one of the biggest reasons I never visited his site.

wow....I should have finished reading these posts before I pretty much said exactly the same thing as the above poster.

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:26 PM | not to mentention too,they (Score:5 Normal)
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not to mentention too,they had a pretty good signing day coverage write up.

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:30 PM | Stop Fighting!!! (Score:5 Normal)
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Stop Fighting!!! LALALALALA!! 

Seriously though this Coach Brown character is starting to become as polarizing as RDT was back in the days of 2012.  Everyone either despised him or was kissing his feet.  Why the extremes?  Why can't everyone just accept him for what he is with a nice grain of salt since everything in recruiting is fluid? 

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March 6th, 2013 at 6:44 AM | True.  I love Coach Brown. (Score:0 Normal)
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True.  I love Coach Brown.  Free info and interviews on recruits.  Just like what the pay sites are trying to sell me for the low low price of $9.99 per month!!!!

I used to love Tremendous for the same reasons, but he sold out and now wants to make a living selling me information about the University I love and recruits who might go there.

Lol, can you see the reason some are polarized?

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:36 PM | He's new (Score:1 Normal)
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Recruiting is competitive, whether or not his content is popular the new guy is always going to be opposed by his older counterparts.

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March 5th, 2013 at 9:35 PM | To be fair, a LOT of people (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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To be fair, a LOT of people got that wrong.

 

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:33 PM | What is people's thoughts (Score:0 Flamebait)
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What is your thinking on Doles? Offersheet not great. Just wondering.

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:34 PM | Sorry (Score:0 Flamebait)
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At a thing, typing on my iPhone sucks. What ARE people's thoughts?

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:42 PM | someone else can tell you (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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someone else can tell you better,i'm no guru, but he is a pretty soild inside guy. there is some better options out there,but you dont turn him down either. besides guard is a spot we can take a hit or miss on.

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